MaryL_Boulder: Greetings WWC and all
Greg_UK: Im a God Geek
Jennie_Netherlands: This teaching has come for me at the right time. I needed to hear this and listened to it several times. What stood out for me where a few sentences that really went deep with a recognition: “And in the past, it may have been a constant source of irritation and disappointment: “What is it about me that I just can’t seem to fit in here, that I don’t seem to relate to what the other kids want to do, or to what everyone else seems to be interested in. I’m different.” and this sentence: Perhaps you look up at the sky on a clear and beautiful night and you feel that home is out there. A relationship is out there. Or something is out there that seems compelling, that draws you, and you would go there if you could. And you would leave this place, this Earth, and you would return there if you could. and also this sentence: One of the first things that it asks is to accept who you are. To accept who you are, without having to understand this, without having to be able to explain it to anyone…
Jennie_Netherlands: … else…just to accept. Because acceptance is the beginning: “I’m different. I have a spiritual nature. Something is calling me. I must find out what it is. I will try not to fight it or neglect it or avoid it.”
Samantha_SA: What stood out for me was how The Messenger Speaks: Being a Greater Community Person impacted by own understanding of myself and how it provides a necessary understanding for any Greater Community person , how relevant it appears to the current session of the free school. It is as if every week in the School there is something new, one new step that is helping me expand my awareness and grow, like pockets of wisdom that are being presented at the perfect time. This is something that I am immensely grateful for! Reading this wisdom was a very emotional experience for me and prompted a re-evaluation of how I viewed myself and my past experiences. It felt as if the Messenger was speaking directly to me, and that it was something that I had be waiting to hear for many years. I tried to extract elements that I found particularly moving or pertinent but I realized that is was going to be challenging because everything resonated on one level or another. But the two that were most critical…
Samantha_SA: … were “Perhaps it has been a real problem and made it difficult to assimilate; it made it difficult to adapt, to relate, to participate in the world because at some level, it seems like a foreign place to you. Other people do not seem to have this problem. But for you, it’s always been there.” “And though everyone has a relationship with the future, everyone has a destiny, for you it is much more powerful and predominating. For you, it is part of the it that you must find… And you would leave this place, this Earth, and you would return there if you could…” because when I read this it was like “That is it!! I understand now, why I felt different, why my childhood was so difficult, why just living life seems like an endless struggle – Why I have always felt and still feel like an outsider.” This sealed the deal for me, at that moment I just knew – the Messenger was speaking about me and that this was the most important thing that I have ever read. And finally, what truly touched me…
Samantha_SA: … to the core was “And I deeply empathize with your struggle, for it is unique, in some respects, to you and to those who are like you” – because for the first time in my entire life it felt like someone truly understood me and my struggle and that this journey truly is the solution that I have been seeking – “Leave your personal suffering. Leave your attempt to fulfil yourself. Leave your struggle for self-validation and make this journey – this journey which takes you to what you really are and why you are really here, and brings you to those people that you really do need to meet, who have the key to what you are about.”
Mike_LF_CAL: @Greg, I can relate, “God geek” LOL.
jeanine_Society: Welcome to all gathered here on Week 4 of Month 1 of the “Preparing for Contact with Intelligent Life” School Session. We have a very powerful teaching from Marshall to look at today, along with our core revelation for the month and session.
David_Drimmel: Thank you Darlene
jeanine_Society: If you have had time to listen to and/or read Marshall’s powerful teaching, “Being a Greater Community Person”, initially given in 1998, what impacted you the most?
Tonia_Denmark: Thank you, Jeanine, and very inspiring indeed.
Alisa_Russia: I listened to Marshall’s message on Being A Greater Community Person today and was in total awe. It spoke right to the heart of me. I highlighted so many passages. Here is just one that spoke deeply to me “Many of you who will hear this recording have brought with you into the world aspects of your past learning that relate to the larger universe in which we live, what I will call the Greater Community. This is because much of your learning in the past has occurred in other places in the Greater Community. And you have brought that with you into the world.”
jeanine_Society: Being a Greater Community Person: http://www.newmessage….erson
Kari_H_Finland: @Jim, “It brought tear to my eye” yes indeed!
Mike_LF_CAL: One of the revelings that stood out for me from the “A Greater Community Person” msg, “Being like a stranger in a strange land” I have always felt like I don’t fit in, having very few friends and experiencing very few connections, it’s been solitary life. I Often ask myself this exact same phrase “did I turn right when I should have turned left?” …and I still do…
Alisa_Russia: @Jennie – ditto!
Shane: “you can not get away from God”, this made me think how “the world is a good place to hide” and it occurred to me that this hiding place is at the surface of my mind, that is where I hide. Other Wise I have to be with it, so to speak..
manuel germany :): What stood out for me: That on a deeper level we are connected and that we are here to find out who you are, why you are here and what you specifically have to offer.
You came into this world with a Plan intact for who you are to be here, what you are to accomplish, the most important people you must find and meet and engage with. So the most important thing we have to do is to find the experience and the expression that represent those four pillars.
That in relationships our Knowledge is ignited, that someone else has got the key.
You came into this world with a Plan intact for who you are to be here, what you are to accomplish, the most important people you must find and meet and engage with. So the most important thing we have to do is to find the experience and the expression that represent those four pillars.
That in relationships our Knowledge is ignited, that someone else has got the key.
Raoul_Australia: We all know this by now, but it always strikes me when reminded: “You came into this world with a Plan intact for who you are to be here, what you are to accomplish, the most important people you must find and meet and engage with. And that blueprint is within you; it is indelible; it is immutable. You can fail to find it, but you cannot change it.”
Alisa_Russia: @Mike – that’s been my experience too so far. But now I have found all of you, I feel I have truly come home and am not so strange after all 
Mike_LF_CAL: Being a Greater Community person … it just resonates to my core…
Levy_Brazil: Yes @Raoul, this always strikes me too!
Cameron_Canada: @ Mike – it remids me od a song I wrote in rehab many years ago. …I don’t like my new bike, I turn left but it goes right – lol
Alisa_Russia: @Raoul @Levy – me too!
Jim B. Adirondacks: Thank you dear Samantha! What you have said resonates with me deeply!
Levy_Brazil: @Alisa @Raoul “the secret cargo”
Raoul_Australia: @Alisa, Levy, yes, no matter how many times I am reminded!
Mike_LF_CAL: @Alisa, I fell exactly the same, this is my home now.
ray_Colorado: Mike_LF_CAL”… Greater Community Spirituality, …. it is speaking for you.”
Josef Austria: Hello everyone!
Shane: “It is no accident that you are here”
Levy_Brazil: Hi Jos!
Chrysostomos: Hello everybody. Nice to be back schooling again
Kari_H_Finland: This spoke directly to me “They will want you to be more human, and you cannot be any more human than you are right now.” So many times I have been hearing that I am “inhumane” and have been wondering “What is wrong with me?”
Mike_LF_CAL: @Shane, …no accident…
Alisa_Russia: This sentence also stood out for me “And part of your challenge is to bridge your Greater Community heritage into the world. This is part of the it for you.” Yes, but I wonder how?
MaryL_Boulder: “Stranger in a strange land” but no longer alone.
Mark_Boulder: Yes, me too Kari. The beginning of that passage was important for me: “You can marry someone who is wonderful and loving and generous and virtuous, but if they do not know this Greater Community part of you, they are not going to understand what is driving you, what is pushing you, what is pulling you. They will want you to be more human, and you cannot be any more human than you are right now.”
Tuukka_FIN: It was very powerful. Together with reading Living the Way of Knowledge and Steps, it has had a great impact. It has a great impact. And spirituality is not like “ice cream and cookies”. I’ve been thinking today about an idea that “I do what I want to do”… this can not be the case. Pillars and all, there is something I need to do.
Tonia_Denmark: The “it” part: “The it is not merely an experience within yourself. It is an experience that must be initiated by others and by greater forces around you.” It speaks to the part inside which is grounded in something, that is so profound, that it is important to continue in finding those relationships, who has the same kind of experiences. If not this “it” will never come forward. It will never be recognized. It will never be acknowledged.
Paul_MA: “You are tied to where we are going, not to where we have been. You are connected to what is coming over the horizon, not to what is behind us as we journey. And though everyone has a relationship with the future, everyone has a destiny, for you it is much more powerful and predominating. For you, it is part of the ‘it’ that you must find.” …
Marilyn_USA: I feel like I have two personalities. One is my sense of being a person of the Greater Community, and the other is my human personality. It is like (Greater Community) sphere enveloping the smaller (human) sphere. I can switch to being one or the other, but prefer to experience the larger one.
13148: I resonate with that MikeLF…..
Jim B. Adirondacks: The other thing that really caught my attention was the initiation. In Wisdom 1 it talks about Knowledge holding part of our purpose, our Teachers hold part of pour purpose, the world holds part of our purpose and the others we must meet hold part of our purpose. This teaching that has come out gives a parallel to the 4 pillars showing me that many things re connected in our daily lives which we take for granted or never notice. This is going to become part of a practice for me in daily life.
Alexandra_NL: A deep inner peace enveloped me when I read “And you will embark on something that will make you feel so happy within yourself, so right about your life for once—a kind of inner satisfaction that all the stimulation in the world cannot produce, a kind of odd confirmation of your Being that it so needs.” That is exactly how it felt when I found The New Message from God and its community and that is how I feel when I engage with it: my way home and a way to feel home in this limited existence.
ray_Colorado: “To come to the Messenger, you must first come to the Revelation, for the teaching is more important than the teacher. The Message is more important than the Messenger in time. The Messenger will pass from this world, but the Message will remain. Whether it will become corrupted and alloyed with other things will be determined by the purity of his followers and those who can respond to a New Message from God.
The Messenger will give teachings and clarification, but he will not be available to everyone, for his time is precious. His journey is great. His mission is tremendous.
Heaven watches to see who can respond. Heaven watches to see who will receive him as the Messenger.”
(The Journey of the Messenger) http://www.newmessage….enger
The Messenger will give teachings and clarification, but he will not be available to everyone, for his time is precious. His journey is great. His mission is tremendous.
Heaven watches to see who can respond. Heaven watches to see who will receive him as the Messenger.”
(The Journey of the Messenger) http://www.newmessage….enger
Alisa_Russia: @Mark – that passage struck me too. It helps me to understand my relationship with my husband.
Cameron_Canada: @Kari H – That was the quote I was going to post also ” I cannot be any more human than I am now”
jeanine_Society: Thank you Everyone for sharing so far that have had a chance to listen to Marshall’s Teaching. @Alisa said it well: “I listened to Marshall’s message on Being A Greater Community Person today and was in total awe. It spoke right to the heart of me. I highlighted so many passages…”
Shrimayi Netherlands: This is a recognition the feeling to be different and probably not okay either that was with me for so long. Perhaps it has been a real problem and made it difficult to assimilate; it made it difficult to adapt, to relate, to participate in the world because at some level, it seems like a foreign place to you. And it is a foreign place to you. Other people do not seem to have this problem. But for you, it’s always been there. And in the past, it may have been a constant source of irritation and disappointment: “What is it about me that I just can’t seem to fit in here, that I don’t seem to relate to what the other kids want to do, or to what everyone else seems to be interested in. I’m different.”
12322: @Mark wow, amazing how we can read something and miss it. Thanks for sharing that quote.
Amina Russia: This message, “Being a Greater Community Person”, touched the very deep part me and described exactly how I feel and how I have always felt, but never could put it into the words, as if the message was talking about me, even though it was not about me personally, of course. Very hard to pick what stood out the most, but these notions are stuck in my head now: ‘We can not abandon God.….The world is not big enough for you,and you need to bridge the Greater Community aspect of you with the life in the world….many people do need to learn this,but people who will lead them or teach them will be those who already have this Greater Community reality..’ Thank you Marshall, my deep gratitude to you
13148: This passage really stood out for me….finally the understanding of why satisfaction and fulfillment could never be found. We cannot get rid of God. We cannot abandon what sent us into this world. That purpose that prepared us to be here and that engendered so much support for us to be here, and that Greater Community of which we are a part—no matter where we go in life, and how we position ourselves, this still remains—discovered or undiscovered, known or unknown, expressed or not expressed. Indeed, the failure to express this is, in a spiritual sense, in a psychological sense, the source of everyone’s suffering.
Keiko_Ita: Hi everyone!
Wendy, NY: The impact is difficult to articulate for me. I have always been drawn to reach beyond the sectarian. I thought I had the “big” perspective when I reflected on “the human condition.”. But this is beyond human, to what can be spoken to and oriented to that is truly universal. It is a visceral stretch for me. I recognize part of me has always been attuned to this. I love that this perspective is coming to the more earth bound parts of me.
Jutty: Greater community part of onself = Knowledge , right? If yes then we need someone else to inititate it right?
David_Drimmel: I listened to this new recording several times. Each time going deeper into my veins. “difficult to adapt, to relate, to participate in the world because at some level, it seems like a foreign place to you. Other people do not seem to have this problem. But for you, it’s always been there.” “Maybe you got the wrong number on your spiritual dogtag and you got sent to planet Earth when you should have been sent to planet Mirth, which is a whole different place maybe.” Looking back to my childhood, and how I am naturally in the world, I remember inside how I’ve never truly felt like I could “Fit” anywhere. Some would say this is mental illness, but I know I am not mentally ill. I’ve never been the one to click into groups, and I’ve always had diverse friends. People would always call me weird, an alien (literally), and tell me I am not of this world (sometimes not in it). I’ve always known this about myself, but I never knew how to deal with it.
Cole_Boulder: ‘For those who have undertaken their progress primarily in this world, there are traditions here that are satisfactory to their needs. Yet this does not account for everyone. Therefore, the Teachers who represent Greater Community Spirituality seek those students who need this tradition. Without finding this tradition, they will be estranged in this world, always feeling homeless, always blaming the world and other people for their estrangement, always seeking fulfillment in personal relationships and failing.’ – Secret 284
Aurora_Hawaii: @Mark_Boulder I resonated with that part too – that time with someone does not match the connection one feels with someone that catches the deeper GC within.
Amina Russia: Also i still keep on thinking about the notion of “being spiritually ground in the world”, don’t get it much
Martin_Australia: The Being a GC Person teaching really struck me. I was deeply moved to tears of joy, recognition and relief. A couple of things stood out in particular: In regards to relationships in the world, “They want you to be more human, and you cannot be any more human than you are right now” and “But the Greater Community person knows things about other worlds. How? How is not important. What is important. It is there. They know things, but it does not fit in this world, and so they cannot activate it. They cannot bring forth the wealth of its wisdom because they cannot connect it to their experience here very effectively.” Some questions arose: What does “a Greater Community Messenger” really mean?, What does it mean to me, others and the world? What do we know of this Messenger and of those whom have gathered around him?, What is our relationship to them?
Lin_Boulder: What is important to me is that “Being a Greater Community Person” is not just a confirmation, but a calling for preparation in the Greater Community Way of Knowledge, so that our unique gift and Greater Community heritage can be brought forth and given to this world which is emerging into this larger arena of life.
David_Drimmel: Thank you Cole.
Debbie_MI: The following passage really stood out for me, “You came into this world with a Plan intact for who you are to be here, what you are to accomplish, the most important people you must find and meet and engage with. And that blueprint is within you; it is indelible; it is immutable. You can fail to find it, but you cannot change it.” I love this quote because it is so concise and so powerful. It speaks to my heart with such power and clarity.
Sally_boulder: What an appropriate secret Cole, thank you.
jeanine_Society: The teaching helps explain us to ourselves…
David_Drimmel: “You must learn about things that most people have never learned, or do not feel called or motivated to learn. You must learn about life in a bigger arena because that is who you are; that is what you are a part of. You are not better than anyone else; you just bring a different set of qualities to the situation, qualities which could be incredibly beneficial to the world, but qualities that you cannot discover using conventional means.”
Jeffrey_Boulder: Thank you Love-those-Secrets Cole.
LaRaeUK: I feel that one as well Debbie…..
ray_Colorado: “…This is good, whatever this may be, but it is not yet it.” And the amazing thing is, until you find that it, you cannot stop. The it is not merely an experience within yourself. It is an experience that must be initiated by others and by greater forces around you.” (Being a Greater Community Person) “If you yearn for it, seek it. You cannot define it. You cannot predict the outcome, but you seek Knowledge because it is natural for you to do so. For Knowledge contains the memory of your Creator, of your help and of your meaning in this world.” Secrets of Heaven.300
Chrysostomos: The people that more likely to be from Greater Community are all them that the modern psychology call dyslectic and dyspractic.
Betty_UK: Lin, yes that I felt too.
Aurora_Hawaii: I also appreciate that we are called to gain trust in OURSELVES, once we are”in touch”: ” By acceptance, it does not mean that you give your power to a teacher, to another person, or even to God. God does not want your power. God has got plenty of power. God wants you to have your power, but to have it with wisdom and understanding, and in the truest sense, to be able to be that which you are and to give what you have brought into the world to give. You cannot be giving your power away to anyone to do that.”
David_Drimmel: Thanks Ray, that was my next one. “Until you find that IT, you cannot stop.”
Alison_Boulder: “Now to someone who does not have this Greater Community reality already within them, this is something they have to learn through trial and error as they go along. They can learn it, and many people do need to learn this. But the people who will be able to lead them or teach them will be those people who already have the Greater Community reality because the Greater Community is alive and real within them.” – this part stood out to me. I was not drawn to GC realities initially and have learned a lot from all of you, who may recognize yourselves as GC people.
Jorge_Spain: “I am going to address this within the context of the brave new Teaching called Greater Community Spirituality—a Teaching that is new to us and yet which is older than all of our Earth’s religions combined.” Being a Greater Community Person
Alisa_Russia: @Martin I was just about to give that quote “But the Greater Community person knows things about other worlds. How? How is not important. What is important. It is there. They know things, but it does not fit in this world, and so they cannot activate it. They cannot bring forth the wealth of its wisdom because they cannot connect it to their experience here very effectively.” Marshall’s intonation as he spoke these words really affected me.
Jorge_Spain: “We have a great deal to learn about what spirituality means. It is like going back to school all over again. And though we have universal truths that our earth-based spiritual and religious traditions have provided for us and have encouraged within us, we must begin anew.” Being a Greater Community Person
Hardev_Australia: @Cole_Boulder, thank you for Secret 284. very relevant.
Martin_Australia: @Jim, yes, “Knowledge holding part of our purpose, our Teachers hold part of pour purpose, the world holds part of our purpose and the others we must meet hold part of our purpose.”, like the NM says, a dynamic convergence of different forces.
Jutty: After accepting it, how we know who will intiate greater community part in us
Paul_MA: “You must learn about things that most people have never learned, or do not feel called or motivated to learn. “… For this applies both to the GC/Spiritual realm as well as living in a different way on this Earth…living and learning new skills that will be needed for human village survival in the days to come…such as PErmaculture skills, native plant healing,etc…
Raoul_Australia: This is another reminder that often re-occurs in the Revelation, and feels very true to me: “…when people talk about enlightenment, they think they are already there – they just need to be with it. But in Greater Community Spirituality, it is taught that you are not there yet. The journey you must take must take you there.” A person recently said to me “I get annoyed when reading this, because I have been there for a long time”, I just said that it is not meant for those who are already there…
David_Drimmel: Thank you Jorge “We have a great deal to learn about what spirituality means.”
Jennie_Netherlands: This teaching is life changing for me because I have worked so hard to fit in my whole life and I failed again and again with people, with work…. Now I can finally let that idea rest and accept that I am different. And that I can start to accept that I am a spiritual being that is here with a specific purpose. Thank you Marschall for this teaching.
jeanine_Society: Marshall’s teaching brought back my memories of first reading the book ‘Greater Community Spirituality’, which was an important turning point in my life…what I had found I had been searching for all my life, had answered so many questions that I had been holding…precious…
Mike_LF_CAL: @David_Drimmel, after having found it… I cannot stop…
David_Drimmel: Same, Mike
ray_Colorado: David_Drimmel: “You will find as you proceed that life gives you many choices. Here you may not even be able to stay with others who are also responding to a greater calling. As you proceed, your way becomes much more specific. At the outset, you may feel like you are opening to your spiritual life, but as you proceed, your spiritual development will become far more specific in its application and direction. Those who traveled with you at the outset, who shared your journey, may have to go a different way than you. Allow this to happen. Bless them. Honor them. Do not criticize or reject them because they cannot stay with you and go where you are going. Perhaps they are going quickly; perhaps they are going slowly. They go with their disabilities as you go with yours, slowly unraveling and resolving them as they proceed. Follow the way. Do not try to define it. Do not hold onto people. Your true companions, your allies, will never leave you, so you do not need to cling to them, shackle…
ray_Colorado: … them or keep a rope around their neck. Let everyone else come and go. This is a natural process of definition and selection in life. Very few people have emerged beyond the general consensus of things, so the way is not that well traveled. However, others have traveled it before, others are traveling it now and others will travel it in the future. There is a way because Knowledge is in your life. There is a way because your allies are joining you. And there is a way because the Unseen Ones will guide and assist you as you need them and as you proceed in life.” ( GCS.14) http://www.newmessage….oided
Shrimayi Netherlands: The all over feeling of listening to “Being a Greater Community Person” was to be found anew.
Joyanne_Canada: @Shrimayi, ditto ..it was like a refreshment of our deeper self.
Solange~Indy_USA: Same here. For me, there is no turning back.
Betty_UK: Hi Jeanine, this passage I found stood out “For you must not only find yourself, you must find that which initiates you. Those people, that environment, those problems in the world to which you have an answer—those are initiations.” – This shows the importance of finding those people, so they may be initiated in turn.
ALEN INDIA: what could be the significance of certain chapters like who is Jesus in the book Greater community spirituality is still a mystery to me. How are they really related?
LaRaeUK: That self acceptance is one of the best parts of discovering Greater Community Spirituality Jenny. I am so pleased for you.
Martin_Australia: @Alisa, yeah, some really good intonations throughout
Keiko_Ita: I have just listened to Being a Greater Community Person… When I started to study STK, I did not realize who I am. But now I am realizing that I know things already, I do not why. I had a denial for this first. No, no, it is not! Especially I can not use the word “LOVE” when I was small. Because LOVE for me something different from the people use…I had difficulty to explain it how I felt. So when I learnt STK, LOVE is meant to accomplish something together!! It fits me so well.
Tonia_Denmark: The “it” part speaks to looking at what next step to take. Do all doors seemed closed……..do I move backwards or forwards……where is the door, the next move, the next small or big action that leads to nursing the “it” part. Is it how to be in relationship with God? Then it is that “it” part that needs to be attended and the action lies within.
David_Drimmel: @Ray_Colorado – Thank you for sharing. Confirming
Levy_Brazil: Wow, Keiko…
Chrysostomos: For me the most striking and the most difficult was :<<One of the first things that it asks is to accept who you are. To accept who you are, without having to understand this, without having to be able to explain it to anyone else…just to accept. Because acceptance is the beginning: “I’m different. I have a spiritual nature. Something is calling me. I must find out what it is. I will try not to fight it or neglect it or avoid it.” This is acceptance. And there is a certain amount of yielding in acceptance. There is a willingness to give over the reins of your life, the demand that things be the way that you think they should be. And that it a very big yielding for many people. Some people just cannot do it, to their misfortune.>>
ray_Colorado: Jutty: “While the world goes about its daily affairs, the Messenger must proclaim. He must proclaim God’s New Revelation, for it holds the key to so many people’s lives and future.
It will initiate their calling, their greater calling, which could not be initiated by any other teaching or any other reality.” (The Initiation ) http://www.newmessage….ation
It will initiate their calling, their greater calling, which could not be initiated by any other teaching or any other reality.” (The Initiation ) http://www.newmessage….ation
Alexandra_NL: @Jorge @David: in response to “We have a great deal to learn about what spirituality means.” It reminded me of “Ultimately, spirituality is about the ability to unite in purpose with others and to experience affinity and resonance with these people. It is necessary here to think of spirituality not so much as an individual pursuit towards perfection or enlightenment, but as developing the ability to unite with others, unite at a higher level—at the level of purpose, meaning and direction—a level beyond personal ambitions, fears and deceptions.”
Aurora_Hawaii: @Alen_INDIA – Jesus came from the same group of Unseen Ones that guide us now. I believe that was the message.
21507: “This teaching makes me more understanding and compassionate with people who do not resonate with the New Message and the greater community”
Raoul_Australia: The support is another amazing realisation: “That purpose that prepared us to be here and that engendered so much support for us to be here,”. We are so suported…the Great Coordination.
Lin_Boulder: “LOVE is meant to accomplish something together” thank you @Keiko_Ita.
ALEN INDIA: True
Shawn_Moose Jaw: Thank you Chrysostomos, this struck me as well…
Tonia_Denmark: Betty, I resonate very much with that too.
Alisa_Russia: @21507 – yes, same for me”This teaching makes me more understanding and compassionate with people who do not resonate with the New Message and the greater community”
Shrimayi Netherlands: Thank you Keiko :LOVE is meant to accomplish something together!! It fits me so well.(5:29PM)
David_Drimmel: “Love is the result of relationship, not the cause.” I think that’s close to the saying…
Kelvin_Boulder (12322): It strikes me how much I can personally miss when reading a teaching, thus the need to read things over and over. Watching as all of you share different layers and layers of wisdom from a single teaching….
Chrysostomos: @Shawn believe me it took me almost 8 years to accept
Debbie_MI: @Aurora-I also feel appreciation that “we are called to gain thrust in OURSELVES, once we are “in touch.” That whole passage where it explains that “God wants you to have your power, but to have it with wisdom and understanding…” spoke to me also. Really understanding the depth of this is a real inspiration and confidence builder.
Wendy, NY: Ray, re “…the Messenger must proclaim…” In reflecting on what is the burden on the Messenger, the Society, and ultimately us, it is the necessity to move the message out, in whatever way is appropriate and possible, to activate (initiate) others.
Sally_boulder: Alison that also stood out to me, -“Just the same way that a person who has done most of their learning in this world has a psychic, physical connection to this world—this sort of natural knowing within this world. They are very intuitively grounded in this world.” And yet, for many this GC Spirituality is IT.
Hardev_Australia: One part that stood our for me. The next time I read GCS I will be keeping this in mind.
“Only a Greater Community education—such an education that is presented in the Revelation of Greater Community Spirituality—only in that way can they bring forth their Ancient Memory, which holds tremendous gifts. Because it is going to take this kind of learning to end war and hostility within our world and to prepare us to encounter other races in the Greater Community, some of whom will not be coming here for our benefit.”
“Only a Greater Community education—such an education that is presented in the Revelation of Greater Community Spirituality—only in that way can they bring forth their Ancient Memory, which holds tremendous gifts. Because it is going to take this kind of learning to end war and hostility within our world and to prepare us to encounter other races in the Greater Community, some of whom will not be coming here for our benefit.”
Shawn_Moose Jaw: Yeah Chrrysostomos, it’s a work in progress for me as well… but it is foundational .
Paul_MA: Kelvin, I Learn more when I read the passages aloud and listen to them.
MaryL_Boulder: That part of my life where I felt estrangement, alienation, self and world condemnation is over thanks to the GC/NMFG education and recognition. Now the unlearning, correcting from the harm of trying to fit in and relearning and acceptance of the GC aspect of self is the second phrase. As Lin said this part requires our active participation and restoration. It is a mystery still to me perhaps from the years of suppression and denial. We may have found the basecamp but there is a huge mountain to climb still. I am grateful to have made this rendezvous with the Messenger and New Message but what, where, when are we/I going? More to come and do I feel.
Mark – IL: David Drimmel, I can relate you the experience of life you describe.
Diane S. New Mexico: Hello, when I read “N
Aurora_Hawaii: @Chrysostomos – truly it takes a community to achieve great things – so many things I started out of my own ideas… only to lose interest and abandon. and I find that actually KNOWING who I am makes me very alert when something “not me” is trying to influence.
jeanine_Society: This teaching also infers that not everyone is a ‘Greater Community person’, which will help us to keep in mind when advocating…
ray_Colorado: David_Drimmel: “Eventually you can become like an Unseen One in the world, even while you are still living here as a person. You will give, and your gifts will work their way into the minds and hearts of people, who will not know where the gifts came from. They won’t be able to find the giver. The giver is free and invisible to them. People will see things and feel things they need to see and feel. They will begin to know things that they need to know. They will remember things that they need to remember and forget things that they need to forget. They will not see where this power comes from. They will not see the source of it. Become like an Unseen One yourself and your gifts will have the greatest impact with the least confusion and uncertainty. Humanity has been kept alive by the gracious work of many individuals within and beyond the world who remain unrecognized. And the forces of ignorance— those who are violent and fearful, hostile and resistant—will not be able to find where…
ray_Colorado: … the good is coming from. They will not be able to stop it. They will not be able to manipulate it. It will pass through their fingers. They will not be able to clutch it. It will work in spite of their damage. The greatest powers that are assisting you are unseen. However, they can be known, and it is your privilege to know them. The greater powers perhaps cannot be touched, but they can touch you, and you can receive their grace and utilize it appropriately, for it is you who must grow and regain your strength and authority. In this, you must be supported but not overshadowed. You must be assisted but not manipulated. You must be protected but not guarded. What great compassion this demonstrates.
As you advance, you will begin to experience these things for yourself. You will begin to be happy when you can give a gift, have it be received and have no one know where it came from. This protects and preserves you and enables the gift to have its full impact. You must be maturing as…
ray_Colorado: … a student of Knowledge to have this experience. But its demonstration will convince you of the wisdom of the idea that the Wise remain hidden to remain wise.” (Greater Community Spirituality) http://www.newmessage….ality
Levy_Brazil: Good reminder, Jeanine
Sally_boulder: Well said MaryL “We may have found the basecamp but there is a huge mountain to climb still.”
Cameron_Canada: yes, that is important to know
Alexandra_NL: @ MaryL_Boulder: Thank you for putting my feeling into words…!!!
Cameron_Canada: re – not everyone
Tonia_Denmark: Yes, Jeanine, it is wise to understand that. Thank you for the reminder.
Keiko_Ita: @Jeanine Society, Yes, indeed.
Aurora_Hawaii: Yes ray! Thank you.
Alexandra_NL: @Jeanine: pure wisdom there
David_Drimmel: Powerful, Ray. Where is that from?
Shrimayi Netherlands: @Ray thank you! You will begin to be happy when you can give a gift, have it be received and have no one know where it came from. This protects and preserves you and enables the gift to have its full impact. You must be maturing as…(5:35PM)
ray_Colorado: … a student of Knowledge to have this experience. But its demonstration will convince you of the wisdom of the idea that the Wise remain hidden to remain wise.” (Greater Community Spirituality)
ray_Colorado: … a student of Knowledge to have this experience. But its demonstration will convince you of the wisdom of the idea that the Wise remain hidden to remain wise.” (Greater Community Spirituality)
Alison_Boulder: “…you’re not an extraterrestrial” <– I liked that part because the non-fitting in and feeling strange in the world concept is also something used by other voices in the world who will tell us we are special, ET beings who are beyond the mundane needs of the world because we feel this way. No, instead, this teaching we have received is more grounding and real, reminding us that we are human and must deal with “money and relationships.”
Betty_UK: Jeanine, this also means that those who feel connected to the universe, perhaps other races, may be potentially be a Greater Community person
Darlene_Society: Your responses have been amazing testimonies to the power of Marshall’s message. It deserves many many listenings/and readings. Let’s move on now to the next question: 2.How could The Essential Truths about the Greater Community revelation stimulate a sense of higher purpose in people?
Shane: I felt a sense of relief hearing that it was okay to feel that you are a little bit different. In the past it has been a battle to accept this as it was entwined with ego and wanting to be special. I have always felt different from everyone, not better or worse, just different, ok sometimes a bit of both, often worse because I just didn’t connect with the groups mind.. I felt pretty alone, until I was found and direct to go to the encampment, and I was no longer alone. My purpose lies in the uniqueness of my true self and in all of us who have come to the world at this turning point. The work is up to me to Live the way of Knowledge and continue to take one step at a time so that I may be vehicle for knowledge… and to bring forth that which I hold already and be an expression for it..
ray_Colorado: Who Are The Unseen Ones http://www.newmessage….-ones
Mike_LF_CAL: @Kelvin (8:32) I’ve had the same experience…
Inhee_Korea: Thank you Jeanine for the reminder.
LaRaeUK: Beautiful reminder Ray thank you.
Betty_UK: I mean perhaps people who feel connected to other races
Aurora_Hawaii: Hi Alison! Identifying as HUMAN is important to me, too. And the four pillars do help us stay grounded, I think.
Erik_OR: @Alison, Very true, and this sentiment can help fuel an allegiance to powers from beyond this world.
Arthur: The world is failing to provide me with means to fulfill my needs, this is giving rise to strong feelings of hatred and resentment. I feel like I can no longer tolerate such a blind reality, a “reality” that has nothing to do with reality. When will things change? When can a GC understanding be established?
ALEN INDIA: I share similar experiences
ray_Colorado: “You are destined to learn from the Greater Community, but first you must survive in the Greater Community and contend with the Greater Community. In the Greater Community, there are races at all levels of evolution and technological skill. There are races that are dedicated to good. And there are races that are dedicated to destruction. However, because they have to contend with each other, they moderate each other. To the extent that they do have contact, they learn from each other and influence each other, physically and mentally.” GCS.18 What is Human Destiny http://www.newmessage….stiny
Diane S. New Mexico: “Being A Greater Community Person” really resonated with me, especially this”…coming into contact with the greater aspect of yourself. The part of you that can be called The Greater Community part of you.” It explains somewhat my situation right now.
Mark_Boulder: Thank you, Wendy: ” it is the necessity to move the message out, in whatever way is appropriate and possible, to activate (initiate) others.”
Cameron_Canada: @ Betty – I often feel that when I am documenting this world through photography, it is for my friends beyond this world.
manuel germany :): Coming to the second question: How could The Essential Truths about the Greater Community revelation stimulate a sense of higher purpose in people? That people may gain a greater perspective on how they perceive themselves, humanity and the whole Earth. That they recognize that they are a citizen of the Greater Community of Worlds in the universe and that we are living in a non-human universe. Further, they will start to realize of who they are, what they are and whom they have to meet in life to accomplish what they have come to do.
Alexandra_NL: @Alison: Indeed. A very deceptive way of using our feeling of estrangement by pro-intervention forces!
Wendy, NY: re sense of higher purpose: the higher perspective of being a member of the Greater Community and seeking to know and allign with Greater Community Spirituality helps me be in a different relationship to what is said and done by people, on Earth. And I feel this as honing my sense of purpose, as a human, here.
Reed_Society: @Samantha thank you for sharing your experience (9:06), this message from Marshall recorded in 1997, 20 years ago, is a confirmation and activation of this greater aspect of who we are
Aurora_Hawaii: How could The Essential Truths about the Greater Community revelation stimulate a sense of higher purpose in people?
For Americans that still carry the value of Freedom, knowing this: “Great technological societies rarely possess and demonstrate real spiritual Knowledge and advancement. Their focus is on control and uniformity. Individual freedom is rarely prized in such societies. Rather, they seek to create a one-dimensional form of interaction, highly regimented and regulated” would likely get our fighting spirit started… giving us something valuable to prepare for, in order to prevent “assimilation.” (Resistance is NOT futile.)
ALEN INDIA: It’s possible that the greater community forces who are intervening here can present deceptive images in your mind or otherwise of Jesus and you could fall a prey to this. But can they mould a person for this purpose for many years so that through him many more are decieved? Is it possible? There is this individual called Sadhu selveraj, founder of Jesus ministries, who is from India who could fit into all these possibilities and claims himself as a person to prepare people for the second coming of Christ. Though we can never be sure still there is a chance that he is a product of intervention.
Erik_OR: When people feel alone in the universe, there isn’t as much incentive to strive for a higher purpose or consider these greater things. People are more inclined to stay comfortable, avoid pain, and just try to get by. When we realize what’s really out there beyond our borders, what we really have (a jewel in the cosmos), and what we could potentially lose, this generates a strong incentive to contribute and leads one to seeker a higher purpose to serve this precious world.
Jansett_KY: Well said, Erik. Thank you.
ray_Colorado: “”We are bound to the physical by our obligations and desire to serve, which are the same. We have access to a Greater Reality, yet we exist here. We are nourished by this Greater Reality, and that is why we can exist in our capacity without misery. We serve our Spiritual Family, whom we love. We know our limits. We take full advantage of our strengths. We follow our Teachers, whom you cannot hear. We represent them as they represent those beyond them.” (Secrets of Heaven.231) http://www.newmessage….eaven
Samantha_SA: With regard to the second question: This Revelation could speak to the deeper part of people because it provides certain essential truths that need to be understood before true preparation can take place within the individual. It is meant to provide the basis of understanding that is necessary to initiate the journey. “The real gift that the Greater Community has to give to people is the reality of its presence and the reality of its intention. This is a call to awaken and to prepare” And “If you can come to deal with these Greater Community realities, with these essential truths, then you put yourself in a position to begin to learn about the nature of the Creator’s Work in the world and why you are the way you are.”
Aurora_Hawaii: @Alen_India – I think your caution is warranted. I think the point of the NM is not to FOLLOW anyone else, but to get connected within so that all actions are measured by what is within YOURSELF.
Raoul_Australia: @Alen, that is a good way to put it! “Though we can never be sure still there is a chance that he is a product of intervention.” I agree…
Heidi_Germany: I never could explain my very first memory of life when as a very little girl I stood in the garden and suddenly noticed that I was alone there and got anxious when a thought struck me “This is not your family” It frightened me and I thought, may be the other members of my family lived their life when I am asleep. I never forgot it, but never could explain it. But now, having found the NM it could get another meaning.
ALEN INDIA: yes
Cameron_Canada: beautiful Ray
David_Drimmel: Thanks Alison – “You’re not an extra terrestrial.” Yes. I said earlier, “People would always call me weird, an alien (literally), and tell me I am not of this world (sometimes not in it).” Just because the world tells you that you are different does not mean that you are not human. Different than most being called to go on a road less traveled.
MaryL_Boulder: @Alison, yes that GC nature does not exempt us from doing what needs to be grounded in the world just like all the other people that seem to take to being human like ducks to water. From yesterday’s step “Greater Purpose cannot be realized within a narrow context. You must see yourself in a bigger way. You must establish your relationship with the world on a true foundation.”
Kari_H_Finland: Thank you Alison for pointing this out “But, you are here, and you are a human being. You are not an extraterrestrial.” Important to remember when the Intervention is trying to confuse people with this.
Lingling_Boulder: yes Mary and Lin,I feel that being a Great community person means that only understand who i am and where I am from are not enough yet, but also need to go forward to see where I am now and where I am going to, what I need to do, to see and take my responsibilty to be a Great community person in this earth. It is a life -long span work. With this teaching, it makes my mind clearer and more certain to continue taking this journey.
jeanine_Society: In contemplating Question #2 that Darlene posed: After reading these 10 essential truths, people may realize how far down the wrong path we have collectively gone, and be alarmed at what if this is true? How could we be so naive with blind assumptions, believe what we have been told, taught, conditioned? This could stimulate the need to learn more and to course correct. Some people who hear the calling, will move towards this, realizing that they were meant to help here, they are Greater Community people…
Aurora_Hawaii: If culture has been asking us to mask our differences to “fit in”, doesn’t that give a clue about who funded our culture? ; ) Why we can celebrate the differences with honor and respect is beyond me.
Amina Russia: @ALEN INDIA, that might be the truth actually, people have to be very cautious now
Martin_Australia: @Alison, “..you’re not an extraterrestrial”, I liked that part too, for the exact reasons you have stated.
Cole_Boulder: @Darlene – re: question 2 – In as much the way the ‘Being a GC person’ teaching reveals to us this deeper part of ourselves, the essential truths revelation (and all GC teachings) speak to this as well. The ‘essential truths’ really separates the signal from the noise regarding our ideas of what life in the universe is, as concisely and pointedly as possible. To feel this inner confirmation but to also mentally consider the ramifications of a very prosaic intervention can help alleviate a lot of the level confusion I witness in advocacy, from people who are obviously GC-oriented but have no real reference point or foundation for comprehending this – yet.
ray_Colorado: ALEN INDIA “Jesus…will not come again in the flesh. Who will come again in the flesh claiming his name will be someone from the Greater Community. Beware. If you can become strong with Knowledge, you will know and will not be deceived. Yet, if you fervently want to believe and are governed by the weakness of belief, then you can be persuaded. A Greater Community presence can perform seeming miracles for you. They can do things that seem magical and inexplicable, and many people will fall down in belief and adoration because of this.” (Greater Community Spirituality. Who is Jesus? ) http://www.newmessage….jesus
Joe_UK: I am very grateful for this teaching. It spoke to my need to relinquish my tendency to acquire so much understanding… to step away from this “cage of comfort” I have built for myself and step into that which surpasses all understanding.
ALEN INDIA: true.@ Ray and amina Jesus is with us , with the NM
Shrimayi Netherlands: @Wendy yes In reflecting on what is the burden on the Messenger, the Society, and ultimately us, it is the necessity to move the message out, in whatever way is appropriate and possible, to activate (initiate) others.(5:33PM)
ray_Colorado: “Buddha is one of the great Messengers sent from the Angelic Assembly to bring correction, but also new opportunity to the human family. His gift was unique, and the time in which he was in the world was opportune for his Message to spread.
These things cannot be determined standing upon the Earth, for you do not see the larger picture of your life, or what God is intending for the world over time, and how the great Messengers come at turning points, at pivotal moments in history, to enliven the human spirit and to keep the deeper Knowledge that God has put within each person alive, where it would most certainly become obscured, diminished and lost otherwise.
First you must understand that the Jesus, the Buddha and the Muhammad have all come from the Angelic Assembly. God is their Source. God has sent each into the world at different times, in different parts of the world, to deliver unique Messages to continue the building of humanity and human civilization.
This is part of God’s…
These things cannot be determined standing upon the Earth, for you do not see the larger picture of your life, or what God is intending for the world over time, and how the great Messengers come at turning points, at pivotal moments in history, to enliven the human spirit and to keep the deeper Knowledge that God has put within each person alive, where it would most certainly become obscured, diminished and lost otherwise.
First you must understand that the Jesus, the Buddha and the Muhammad have all come from the Angelic Assembly. God is their Source. God has sent each into the world at different times, in different parts of the world, to deliver unique Messages to continue the building of humanity and human civilization.
This is part of God’s…
ray_Colorado: … Greater Plan, a Plan you cannot understand with your intellect, for it reaches far beyond this world to encompass countless worlds and races of beings. So very unlike you they are in appearance. But, like you, they are living in Separation in a physical reality, and God has a Plan for everyone.” (Buddha and the New Message from God) http://www.newmessage….m-god
David_Drimmel: Cole ^ yes.
Betty_UK: @ Cameron Canada, although you may feel you belong out there, think about how humanity could serve other free races, if humanity remains free. And you are here, you can help, you do something about it, you can help humanity.
ALEN INDIA: TRUE@RAY
Betty_UK: You can do something about it
Ken_Oklahoma: “It is like going back to school all over again. And though we have universal truths that our earth-based spiritual and religious traditions have provided for us and have encouraged within us, we must begin anew.” Even though I grew up in a Lutheran Christian household and attended church and sunday school each sunday, I just could not connect deeply with the teachings, for some reason it just didn’t resonate. Later I talked about investigating other religions of the world, but something held me back from doing this. But when I heard Marshall being interviewed on the World Puja, wow, that resonated immediately on such a deep level. I knew that I had to learn more about Knowledge and Marshall. I am so thankful for this community and school and being able to begin anew, each week!
Jim B. Adirondacks: @Darlene ? 2: The Essential truths for me have done a few things. It has given me more of a foundation to stay centered in a crashing world and to look objectively without judgment or condemnation. To see reality clearly and feel its truths and signs which are everywhere.
Keiko_Ita: My understanding for GC is nearly as same as our world, They have the same kind of problems for surviving and so forth…For me it is the larger arena. I feel that we could learn how to deal with them if we have normal intelligence, I may be wrong…With Knowledge, it is obvious!
Wendy, NY: I love this Ray, …Greater Plan, a plan I cannot understand…reaching out to being I cannot imagine. This is what stretches me and this stretch has appealed to me for as long as I can remember.
Diane S. New Mexico: I am also grateful for this teaching, and the “Greater Community Spirituality” revelation
Chrysostomos: IS ALREADY HAPPENING ” As governments use religions for their own purposes, the Greater Community can use religions for their own purposes. This will be focused on very large denominations of religions that have tremendous impact over many, many people. Here you need only influence a few to influence the many. Do not think it is difficult to do this. From a Greater Community standpoint, it is not difficult.”
ALEN INDIA: Good to hear that Ken
Cameron_Canada: Being human is an odd experience but this is where we are meant to be….for now.
Shawn_Moose Jaw: In regards to the second question, I see the “How” as being a change in perspective. Like taking an individual up in a helicopter for the first time to see the village they have never left. Seeing the land stretch out and other villages appear in the distance and all of a sudden a paradigm shift occurs within. In silence a new perspective stirs a greater purpose.
Alexandra_NL: @Betty: Good point. Our freedom is not only for us!
Shane: Whats wrong with being a human? At times I have hated us as a species. In hindsight I see that this was a reflection of how I saw myself, and how little forgiveness and understanding I had of who I am. In coming to understand myself, how I got here, my weakness’s, desires, emotions, strengths etc… I have taken this judgement of myself and the world , in a sense, removed the crown of the thorns
ray_Colorado: Ken_Oklahoma “Let Knowledge do what only Knowledge can do, but you must do your part. This is not for the passive or the complacent, for the lazy and the indolent. You must become stronger than you are today, more focused than you are today, more honest than you are today, more forgiving than you are today, more resilient than you are today.
You will do your part and Knowledge will do its part and this will redeem you, for if you give yourself to God, God gives you back to the world. This is why you came, you cannot run away to God, you can’t lose yourself in God, God sent you here. It is like having to have to go to school as a child and wanting to run home to your Mama.” The New Message From God https://www.newmessage.org/
You will do your part and Knowledge will do its part and this will redeem you, for if you give yourself to God, God gives you back to the world. This is why you came, you cannot run away to God, you can’t lose yourself in God, God sent you here. It is like having to have to go to school as a child and wanting to run home to your Mama.” The New Message From God https://www.newmessage.org/
Cole_Boulder: @Shawn MJ – beautifully illustrated, thank you
Wendy, NY: Chrysostomos, this is why we so need the greater perspective, so that we will be not so easily manipulated.
Jansett_KY: This chat moves me profoundly. My milieu at this point feels like the 14th century anonymous work entitled “The Cloud of Unknowing.” When I am with the Revelation, any snippet of It, my being is in a constant state of resounding “YES!” Yet I look around, I wonder, I weep. A passage from TCoU: “And you must step above it stoutly but deftly, with a devout and delightful stirring of love, and struggle to pierce that darkness above you; and beat on that thick cloud of unknowing with a sharp dart of longing love, and do not give up, whatever happens.”
Darlene_Society: @Shane…freedom.
Jorge_Spain: Resonating @Shawn, “Like taking an individual up in a helicopter for the first time to see the village they have never left. Seeing the land stretch out and other villages appear in the distance and all of a sudden a paradigm shift occurs within. In silence a new perspective stirs a greater purpose.”
Greg_UK: I think this lyric speaks of the feeling of Greater Community people on earth.
Greg_UK: Free me
Free me
Free me from this world.
I don’t belong here,
It was a mistake imprisoning my soul.
Can you free me,
Free me from this world. Muse – Explorers
Free me
Free me from this world.
I don’t belong here,
It was a mistake imprisoning my soul.
Can you free me,
Free me from this world. Muse – Explorers
LaRaeUK: Thank you Jansett……beautiful.
Aurora_Hawaii: Nice Shane! I used to yearn for “out there”, until I found a true relationship that saw me through my initiation. Like Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, once these yearning needs are satisfied, staying on earth is actually enticing – provided it’s free.
Jeffrey_Boulder: Yes, beautiful Jansett. Thank you
David_Drimmel: 2: Life confirming. Purpose. Seriousness.
Joyanne_Canada: @Greg, was it a mistake to come into separation, if we have a purpose then its not an error
ray_Colorado: “This will rescue you from a life of mediocrity, a life of personal failure, a life of obsession, a life of addiction, a life of meaningless pursuits, a life without meaning a life without purpose, a life without resounding value.
This will give you an escape from all of that because only Knowledge knows how to take you out of the predicament you have created for yourself and that you have allowed to be created in your life. You may think your situation cannot be resolved but God resolves everything because God calls you out, God calls you out of your predicament, calls you out of your state of mind and calls you into a greater awareness and a greater service in the world.
Even if you are poor, even if you have very little, even if you are facing tremendous difficulties and adversities, there is the power and pull of God within you, the power and the pull of Knowledge.
This applies to everyone, to the person who is hungry gives them food to the person who needs shelter gives them…
This will give you an escape from all of that because only Knowledge knows how to take you out of the predicament you have created for yourself and that you have allowed to be created in your life. You may think your situation cannot be resolved but God resolves everything because God calls you out, God calls you out of your predicament, calls you out of your state of mind and calls you into a greater awareness and a greater service in the world.
Even if you are poor, even if you have very little, even if you are facing tremendous difficulties and adversities, there is the power and pull of God within you, the power and the pull of Knowledge.
This applies to everyone, to the person who is hungry gives them food to the person who needs shelter gives them…
ray_Colorado: … shelter, to the person who needs clothes gives them clothes, to the person who needs reassurance gives them reassurance, to the person who needs security gives them security.
Beyond that, meeting those fundamental needs, the great gift is the gift of Knowledge. The New Message from God has been sent into the world to clarify this, for it has been lost and forgotten to the vast majority of people and the need for it is great, it is immense it is fundamental.” (New Message On Sexuality) https://newknowledgeli…load/
Beyond that, meeting those fundamental needs, the great gift is the gift of Knowledge. The New Message from God has been sent into the world to clarify this, for it has been lost and forgotten to the vast majority of people and the need for it is great, it is immense it is fundamental.” (New Message On Sexuality) https://newknowledgeli…load/
Shrimayi Netherlands: @ Heidi This is not your family” I lived with this feeling too.
Betty_UK: @Cameron, the physical environment is temporary, so are other planets, but you are here because you have a great gift to give that can help other races hundreds and millions of years from now. But this can only be achieved if humanity is free.
Wendy, NY: Shane, I feel part of our greater purpose is to remove that “crown of thorns” and be the instruments we were meant to be in aid of moving into the GC in a way that preserves our freedom.
Mike_LF_CAL: How could The Essential Truths about the Greater Community revelation stimulate a sense of higher purpose in people? First I feel people would have to be open to the possibility that their conclusions regarding how life in the universe really IS, is completely INCORRECT. I have found many, many people expect a “Star Trek” community out there and its simply incorrect. Once this can be realized, if it can be accepted, and it will be… eventually… with the study of this revelation and all the others revs that deal with spirituality in the GC because this “information” is just information. People must come to the truth through Knowledge for no one can prove how life is in the universe, there is no way for man to do that, we don’t have the technology… it must come through the Great Spiritual Intelligence God placed in everyone…Knowledge… and that is going to take time to sink in.
Ginny_Dallas: @ Jansett, so beautiful, thanks.
jeanine_Society: Plant a Seed: In the grocery store last night, the young man cashier happened to ask me what were my plans for the weekend. I replied that I had to work. He said, he did too and asked me what did I do? I told him I would be co-leading an online Chat of approximately 130-some people from all over the world and that we would be talking about what is happening beyond our planet – out there – in the universe (I pointed up), which is known as the ‘Greater Community’. He nodded and said that it is inevitable for us to go there eventually, as we have ruined our planet… I told him how important it was to first learn about what was out there, as we were like adolescents in the universe and very naive and full of assumptions. Then I told about a new book that was just published, that speaks of these things: “The Greater Community”. He thanked me and I left. Plant a Seed….
Tonia_Denmark: Doing the Deep Read, asking the questions of what does it speak to, and do the work, that it inspires us to do. “You have to do the work to gain a greater vantage point to see for yourself, experience it for yourself. In this you do most of the work. To see the reality free from difficulties”. – The Essential Truths about the GC.
Shane: @Darlene Yes, freedom.
Jim B. Adirondacks: Thank you Jansett! Awesome!
LaRaeUK: As did I Shrimayi…..
Jim B. Adirondacks: Thank you Shane!
Paul_MA: Sometimes when you feel that you do not fit here…You must un-do what you have done…. So I will share a bit from my life, something that some of you may be grappling with… After many years of marriage, i have decided to and have moved on from this relationship. It was a difficult decision and path, but it was the right one…Knowledge and the NM have been with me providing strength and energy to do this.. I have released both myself and wife from a relationship that was not working…difficult yet it has freed me to move to a new path. NNC
Shrimayi Netherlands: @ Jansett yes…… and beat on that thick cloud of unknowing with a sharp dart of longing love, and do not give up, whatever happens.”(5:55PM)
Debbie_MI: @Jeanine-Thank you for sharing your experience in the grocery store.
Erik_OR: Nice job, Jeanine
manuel germany :): thank you jeanine_Society. a beautifully plant seed – well done
Chrysostomos: @Wendy I agree. For me the most important was the clarification of Spirituality vs physical reality. The NM finishes at last the battle of religion vs science.
Keiko_Ita: Through Knowledge we can feel the Unseen Ones and other intelligent life as well.
Jeffrey_Boulder: Great to read this, Jeanine. Thank you. May that seed grow.
Wendy, NY: Paul, thank you for sharing; a difficult decision I am sure, and courageous. Wishing you well.
LaRaeUK: A difficult step Paul, but oh so necessary. I had a marriage that wasn’t working and ended it so we could both go lead the life we needed to lead.
Tuukka_FIN: thank you jeanine… I had one such chance this week but only recognised it afterwards.
MaryL_Boulder: @Heidi, Shrimayi…have felt “this is not your family, not your world, not your way of communication…” until I found the NM and yes it is not what I had before but I am here now to contribute something.
Cole_Boulder: @Jeanine, wow, nice going! So many people know something about this, deeper down, but where can this be confirmed except by those who have been stirred? …. From the ‘Being a GC person’ teaching: “The people who initiate you have to be able to know you. And to know you, they must know the Greater Community in you. Otherwise, as wonderful as they may be, as kind and compassionate as they might seem, they will not know you. And you will know it. And that recognition that is part of the initiation will not happen. And that life-changing response within yourself will not happen.”
jeanine_Society: So soon again the hour has arrived. Let us take a few moments and check in with ourselves – knowing that we have been called…
Raoul_Australia: A nice seed you planted, Jeanine, so many seeds will eventually turn humanity in the right direction.
jeanine_Society: Rahn Ekan Novay Trenansa, Misu Veda Maya Toom.
(I call upon the power of all those who carry the Knowledge and Wisdom of the universe to help us in our being in the world at this time—in our journey, in our purpose and in our mission here.)
(I call upon the power of all those who carry the Knowledge and Wisdom of the universe to help us in our being in the world at this time—in our journey, in our purpose and in our mission here.)
Virpi_Finland: Heidi, I also felt from early on, that I had been “dropped to a wrong family”. Of course not really so, but it did not feel like “my family”.
Joyanne_Canada: @Jeanine, so many opportunities that present themselves. Being out of town I was wondering how to advocate and it just happens.. two ships that pass in the night, in a parking lot, and the seed is given..Yesterday a bit unsettling too busy, and again in a parking lot I am utilized to plant a seed and have a conversation with a Minster. :-).. we never know where or when we will be utilized to drop seeds, but I am very grateful in the rush of the day, even then I am utilized to garden and plant that seed. thank you for sharing your experience.. We wonder how Knowledge will use us to advocate and it just happens, when we least think there will be an opening
Greg_UK: Nasi Novare Coram
David_Drimmel: Thank you for sharing Paul.
ALEN INDIA: It’s nice to know that MVS recorded this in 1997 because that voice was a much younger voice.
Shane: Nasi Novare Coram
Keiko_Ita: Oh, sorry I must say this. I feel being included in GC.
Chrysostomos: Another small journey came to the end. See all of u next Saturday. NNC
ray_Colorado: jeanine_Society: “Let the ancient language of the inner world make you resonate and blush. Let it strike you as if you were a bell and it was ringing you gently. Let it pass through you like the wind through the grain. Let yourself be this open to Grace so that when you return to the outer world, this Grace may pass through you to others who are calling for it, seeking it and desiring it.” (The Night Meditation) http://www.newmessage….ation
David V Fr: Hi all! Regarding the second question, about the Greater Purpose being stimulated, It made the Greater Community much more closer in my experience, life is being experienced somewhere at a completely another level that may be difficult to integrate and understand, so maybe Greater Purpose is being able to receive this and translate it here through your life
Betty_UK: Nasi Novare Coram, thank you Jeanine
David_Drimmel: Thanks Ray.
Wendy, NY: Nasi Novare Coram, thank you Ray for the Night Meditation, beautiful.
David_Drimmel: Nasi Novare Coram
Diane S. New Mexico: Nasi Novare coral
ALEN INDIA: Nasi Novare Coram
Lingling_Boulder: so right expression (right amount of water and oil) to plant the seeds. Jeanine.
Diane S. New Mexico: i mean Coram…
David_Drimmel: Rhan Ekan Novay Trenansa Misu Veda Maya Toom
Cameron_Canada: I away from home today. As a guest, I must depart the chat. Until next week, be well. Nasi Novare Coram
Lingling_Boulder: soil*
Jorge_Spain: “My answer to you, my answer to your questions: “Who am I? Why am I here? Whom must I meet? What must I accomplish?” my answer is to offer you the preparation because the preparation is the only answer that means anything.” Being a Greater Community Person
Tuukka_FIN: Thank you! Nasi Novare Coram
Ayesha_Society: The financial supporters who stand with the New Message are currently at 92 pillars and 51 friends. Much gratitude to those who give financially, this is such an imperative step. And gratitude to all forms of giving through your volunteering, advocacy and studenthood. This is service happening in many levels.
To participate and be a part of the Community of Givers, you may learn more here: http://www.newmessage….ssage
Bhargav_OH: Nasi novare coram.
justin-calif-!: Have to run, gang- Thanx again for all your wisdom- there will be several events in calif this next month that I will be at (will post details on the advocacy page) anyone who can make it- let me know! NNC, j
Insuk_Korea: Thank you Jeanine for sharing your experience.
Jutty: How can misfortune people who cannot accept greater community can accept it
Betty_UK: Hi Alexdra, freedom carries Knowledge forward, how could Knowledge be expressed if we were not free to express it.
Alison_Boulder: Let us share the essential truths that we have received with others who wait for a new life and true purpose.
How can you help the Society in advocacy?
This week both the MVS interview and the Being a GC Person teaching we are discussing are linked below. May we share them far and wide in groups on Facebook that contain thousands of people. Your comments and subscribes on YouTube are also a big help.
Keiko_Ita: @ALEN INDIA, Yes, I am amazed that MVS has such awareness at that time….He is so important for us.
Aurora_Hawaii: @Jutty – perhaps the time is not right for some. We can seek the ones who are ready.
Alison_Boulder: Advocacy Gatherings meet each Thursday at Uberconference.com/NewMessage, 7pm BST and 6:30pm MDT. Email [email protected] to learn more, get on the mailing list, join in our Advocacy discussion group on Facebook.
Thank you to everyone translating, sharing, liking, commenting, blogging and so much more!
Thank you to everyone translating, sharing, liking, commenting, blogging and so much more!
LaRaeUK: Many people were curious as to why we were giving books away at the recent conference….we just said it was because we love humanity and need to reach those with open minds and open hearts with the truth. You could see how moved he was.
ray_Colorado: “Grace must be a presence and an intelligence that can enter into and abide in any situation, in any world, in any climate, in any condition, in any culture and in any race. It must be something that can enter silently and abide with circumstances as they are. It must be something that can enter at the invitation of a genuine and sincere request. It must be something that can abide with a man or woman of Knowledge, something that can abide with them without dominating them and exist with them and in them without manipulating them. It must abide with them in such a way that the authority of the person who is its recipient is not overshadowed or usurped. Grace must be something that can be translated from one mind to another and transferred from one world to another.” (GSC.25 What is Grace?) http://www.newmessage….grace
Aurora_Hawaii: LaRae, that’s wonderful!!
Jutty: Thanks Aurora for answering
Jim B. Adirondacks: Awesome LaRae!!!
Virgie_near Seattle: Thank you, Alison for bringing the perspective of someone who “was not drawn to GC realities initially.” Among many things, I was struck by Marshall speaking of people who have a natural intuition about the earthly reality … It made me think of my husband. I don’t feel I have sufficient discernment to say for sure that I’m a GC person like the teaching describes, but not fitting in, absolutely. And my husband has so often been an invaluable interpreter between me and normal people. I think the more earthy types who are responding to the NM (who I guess might be the minority in this context!) have important gifts to share, too.
Darlene_Society: LaRae, you struck the love chord!
ray_Colorado: “The response to Grace generates Grace. It is not the source of Grace. It is part of the mechanism of Grace which enables you to receive it, desire it and welcome it into your life. You look for Grace; you cannot find it. You open yourself to Grace, and it appears. You claim Grace for yourself, and it is nowhere to be found. You yield yourself to Grace, and Grace gently emerges. You speak the truth—the truth of what you really know, not the truth of what you want or believe—and Grace is standing beside you. You reach out and genuinely touch another’s heart, and Grace envelopes both of you. You look at the events of your world with compassion and deep understanding, and Grace looks with you. You respond to a greater need in another, and somehow Grace speaks through you. It is neither within you nor beyond you exclusively. It is more that you are immersed in it, and at special moments you are able to experience this immersion, this already existing union with life.” (GSC.25 What is…
ray_Colorado: … Grace?) http://www.newmessage….grace
Robert_Society: Thank you everyone. Nasi Novare Coram
Shirley-Co: @ Paul that took courage.
Carol_Society: As you have time, we invite you to re-experience or experience anew:
The Messenger Speaks – Being a Person of the Greater Community: http://www.newmessage….erson
The Messenger Interview: The Great Waves Prophecy and the Alien Intervention
https://www.youtube.co…tu.be
Also:
The following resources for study and connection with other students:
>The Allies of Humanity Forum: http://alliesofhumanit…orum/
>Campfire Chat Transcriptions: http://www.newmessage….ripts
Today’s Chat transcript will be posted at the end of our discussion.
Joe_UK: “we love humanity and need to reach those with open minds and open hearts with the truth.” I am deeply touched by your advocacy LaRae, thank you.
David_Drimmel: “Our lives are about serving something bigger than ourselves.” “The really important things in our life is not about us.” Thank you all for sharing. Your sharing is helpful. Nasi Novare Coram
Debbie_MI: @LaRae-That is very moving. Thank you.
Alex Nz: i thought this was a great passage from the text: Leave your personal suffering. Leave your attempt to fulfill yourself. Leave your struggle for self-validation and make this journey—this journey which takes you to what you really are and why you are really here, and brings you to those people that you really do need to meet, who have the key to what you are about.
LaRaeUK: And I with yours Joe…and all.
Keiko_Ita: Thank you for being here…Nasi Novare Coram
Paul_MA: Thank you all for your comments… Although a very challenging and difficult process, I feel great relief and new freedom for this decision…And I feel that my wife will feel the same.
Cole_Boulder: “God does not want your power. God has got plenty of power. God wants you to have your power, but to have it with wisdom and understanding, and in the truest sense, to be able to be that which you are and to give what you have brought into the world to give. You cannot be giving your power away to anyone to do that.
But you can open yourself to receive grace and guidance and preparation—those things that you cannot give yourself. No matter how independent you may feel, or self-sufficient you might feel, you cannot give yourself grace, guidance and preparation. Those must be given to you.” – ‘Being a GC Person’
But you can open yourself to receive grace and guidance and preparation—those things that you cannot give yourself. No matter how independent you may feel, or self-sufficient you might feel, you cannot give yourself grace, guidance and preparation. Those must be given to you.” – ‘Being a GC Person’
Bruce in Cape Cod: Thank you everyone for all your thoughts!
Raoul_Australia: Wonderful advocacy LaRae, thank you so much!
Jangsun_Korea: Thank you all. Nasi Novare Coram.
Aurora_Hawaii: @Cole – I so responded to the very same passage. I am reminded of how very long our basic living training happens from our parents; and there are many that lament how often useless our education system really is. And yet, to find this education available is surely a God Send.
Tonia_Denmark: About the third question which I am not sure we got to, I’d just like to say that I sense that the kind of burden would be on wether enough are able to do the work to gain a greater vantage point.
Reed_Society: @Mary yes…”We may have found the basecamp but there is a huge mountain to climb still. I am grateful to have made this rendezvous with the Messenger and New Message but what, where, when are we/I going? More to come and do I feel.” This is the beginning of a great multi-generational work to bring humanity into the Greater Community. No wonder we are here, we who are Greater Community connected. Where better to invest the greater part of our life effort than in bringing a New Message from God to the world that has come to guide and prepare humanity for its new life in the Greater Community. Our gifts, our energy, our enthusiasm can come online now, current can flow down these long dormant circuits within us, and the energy and inspiration we possess can lay the groundwork for the next stage of life for our world. Millions will come to learn of the Greater Community in the future and life in this new arena will become perhaps the most compelling part of being a human in the future,…
Reed_Society: … more compelling than time-honored culture and tradition, and by putting our service behind the New Message we are creating a ground for learning and living in a Greater Community reality that those millions of people can come to in the future. The precious beginning, the opening chapter, pushing off the dock into unknown waters, this is the gift and challenge that is for us, those sent into the world to contribute to a humanity’s entrance into the Greater Community.
LaRaeUK: Yes Reed….yes. What we do now is so critical for future generations….this ground work is essential.
Tonia_Denmark: Thank you Cole. Great quote.
Reed_Society: We have heard the words “we are living at a time of Revelation.” Now, with this awareness of the Greater Community, we can more fully understand the reality behind those words.
ray_Colorado: “My answer to you, my answer to your questions: “Who am I? Why am I here? Whom must I meet? What must I accomplish?” my answer is to offer you the preparation because the preparation is the only answer that means anything.” Being a Greater Community Person http://www.newmessage….erson
Cole_Boulder: Thank you Reed. Yes… we have come for this
Shane: I often ask myself how can people not feel/know that they live in a Universe team with life. Surely this has to be a reflection of mind control, programming. And is also reflective of how disconnected from nature, life we as a species are. Fear must also play a part, & pride.. Lol I have to laugh at myself, how, inside, when someone says they don’t believe in other life in the universe, my 1st internal reaction is “oh ffs are you fkn stupid” obviously this is not knowledge, “so yeah” as my 12yr old daughter would say
MVS Society: Arthur: “Knowledge dispels unforgiveness like the light dispels the darkness. For there is only Knowledge and the need for Knowledge. That is all that you can possibly perceive in the universe.
STEPS TO KNOWLEDGE: STEP 207: I forgive those whom I think have hurt me.
STEPS TO KNOWLEDGE: STEP 207: I forgive those whom I think have hurt me.
Mike_LF_CAL: @Ken_Ok (8:52) I had a similar life experience and I agree…”I am so thankful for this community and school and being able to begin anew, each week!”
Patricia_Society: @Jim B. Adirondacks: Your reference to this passage from Wisdom 1 is reminiscent of “The Triangulation” which is the dynamic pressure and interaction between what Marshall Vian once characterized as “What I Want-What I Most Deeply Know-What the World requires of Me. “ Passages like this from Wisdom 1 stand to function as real time navigational tools for keeping us moving forward with greater efficacy and timeliness…Can we recognize these tools, seemingly buried in breadth of the New Message, when we come upon them? Thank you Jim for bringing this gem to our attention. “In Wisdom 1 it talks about Knowledge holding part of our purpose, our Teachers hold part of pour purpose, the world holds part of our purpose and the others we must meet hold part of our purpose.”
Mark_Boulder: Yes, Reed. I am putting my life behind the New Message. A little more “oomph” I hope, to nudge humanity more wisely into the Greater Greater.
ray_Colorado: “There are those who are born into this world who, from an early age, recognize that they have intuitive gifts. These people must be especially careful, for their gifts open them to a broader range of experience, which they are unlikely to be able to discern properly. For them, the physical body is even more sensitive an instrument. Think of it like this: The more specialized the instrument, the greater the care it requires. Precision instruments require greater maintenance. It is the same for those whose gifts have been evident from an early age.
Many of these people are not from this world. They have immigrated here at this particular time in human history. They have never felt at home here and have always felt displaced. Their awareness of this speaks of an increased sensitivity. For them, personal relationships have wreaked havoc. They are attempting to unite, but they are not with their own kind. Yet these early sensitivities speak of a greater possibility later. If these…
Many of these people are not from this world. They have immigrated here at this particular time in human history. They have never felt at home here and have always felt displaced. Their awareness of this speaks of an increased sensitivity. For them, personal relationships have wreaked havoc. They are attempting to unite, but they are not with their own kind. Yet these early sensitivities speak of a greater possibility later. If these…
ray_Colorado: … individuals can establish a functioning self in this world, they will be in a tremendous position to be of service to the Teachers of God.”
“… if you seek fulfilling relationships in the world, always seek purpose. It is the foundation. On a personal level, you cannot maintain relationships long term, for your interests will vary. If you are seeking Knowledge, then you will risk these relationships constantly. That is why it is best to seek Knowledge first. Anything you establish as a substitute for Knowledge you will risk losing. That is why it can take so very long for those who have made great establishments without Knowledge to turn towards Knowledge for their redemption. They are very fearful of what it may mean. Our comfort for them, …. may not be enough…. .. . ”
WGC.1.2 Relationships & Sexuality
http://www.newmessage….ality
Farhad UK: Thank you Reed. This reality makes it clear what to receive and support, when otherwise in the newspapers and in the world a lot of things are unclear and concerning
Aurora_Hawaii: @Shane – the latest explanation I’d heard is that 1) ridicule is a sanctioned CIA tactic used against ideas they don’t want spread; and 2) scientists depend on funding, and the ones to fund want to maintain a certain world viewpoint.
Josef Austria: @LaRae; thank you!
Inhee_Korea: Thank you Reed.
Tyyne_Society: Thank you Marshall Vian, for recording this important teaching so many years ago and for now sharing it with us, students and people around the world at such a timely juncture. This teaching has resonated deeply for many and for myself – down through the ancient corridors of our minds and experience and perhaps origins and heritage – bringing greater understanding to who we are, why we are here, who we must meet and what we must accomplish. Those 4 questions that are posed in various ways throughout “Being a GC Person”. And thank you all for what you shared today. So heartening. Thank you.
Patrick van H (NL): Thank you all. NNC
Raoul_Australia: Thank you, Reed, so true: “The precious beginning, the opening chapter, pushing off the dock into unknown waters, this is the gift and challenge that is for us, those sent into the world to contribute to a humanity’s entrance into the Greater Community.” So unrecognised today, but someday the groundwork will give its fruits. Today most of Queensland was watching the games…so important to most, but someday things will be different.
Susan_Malaysia: Thank you everyone, Nasi Novare Coram
manuel germany :): Many thanks Reed_Society for your words. It is exactly that. We are the “starters” of the long journey humanity has to go to, to outgrow the adolescent phase to become a mature race, to prepare about the challenges of contact with the GC and the GWC, to know how to deal with intelligent life from a position of power (Knowledge), to maintain free by being united, self sufficient and discreet. Many others will come after us and will have less resistance to face and may be easier as much more people will see the Education about the GC as a “normal” thing…
Joyanne_Canada: Thank you MVS, for releasing this to us Students, its a powerful teaching for us all. Very confirming and strengthening. Nasi Novare Coram,.
Betty_UK: Hi Darlene, for those who perhaps feel connected to the universe, knowing that there are free races, that to help these free races, we need to become a free humanity, as this will carry forth spirituality (Knowledge) in the universe, but also we (humanity), may be able to help these free races in the future. Those who find other races (unfree) are benevolent, is because they do not know of life in the universe, everything seems negative to them (if we say those races who are here are not benevolent, because they already feel connected to the universe), but what if we are here to help the good guys ( the free races), not immediate help, but by helping our humanity to become free, we may help those free races in the future. We can give something back (Knowledge). And those unfree races can learn from Our spirituality (Knowledge), so they’re not loosing out either. It gives purpose to feel that you’re here to do something important and that you can help others at the same time.
Caroyn_WA: Ste 187: I am a citizen of the Greater Community of Worlds. That is my current step.
Reed_Society: @Virgie,” I think the more earthy types who are responding to the NM (who I guess might be the minority in this context!) have important gifts to share, too.” Absolutely, after all this is meant to be rooted in the human world, all regions, all religions. Perhaps it could be seen as a merging and mixing of GC heritage and Earthly heritage, a process that needs contributors on both sides and a meeting point to emerge, but the purpose in the end is for humanity and the Earth to join this larger community of life as a free world with its spiritual gifts intact, to be given out into that community, and for us to one day be allies to future emerging worlds facing what we had to face, all part of the timeless work of God in the universe to reclaim the separated through Knowledge.
Aurora_Hawaii: @Betty – well said.
Betty_UK: Darlene, ..that we can help these free races, by becoming a free race our self …
Shane: @Alex Nz Yes, I agree that is a great passage “Alex Nz: i thought this was a great passage from the text:” Leave your personal suffering. Leave your attempt to fulfill yourself. Leave your struggle for self-validation and make this journey—this journey which takes you to what you really are and why you are really here, and brings you to those people that you really do need to meet, who have the key to what you are about.” Thanks for sharing
Aurora_Hawaii: @Reed: loving this: Perhaps it could be seen as a merging and mixing of GC heritage and Earthly heritage, a process that needs contributors on both sides and a meeting point to emerge”
ray_Colorado: “There are things that you must not do as a general rule and guideline. Do not give yourself to people until you have discovered and experienced your deeper purpose and direction in life, for anyone that you give yourself to, that relationship will be placed in jeopardy should you have the great opportunity to discern and experience your greater purpose.
Here, people, to protect their previous investments in relationships, will avoid real self honesty and self awareness because they sense and realize it could threaten all of their current engagements, all of their investments in relationships and security.Do not give your life to another until you have found your life, or you will have to risk everything in discovering your deeper nature. It is better to be alone and lonely, within a social context, than to build an entire life built around convenience and the expectations of others only to have to threaten all of that investment later on when you begin to realize that you have a…
Here, people, to protect their previous investments in relationships, will avoid real self honesty and self awareness because they sense and realize it could threaten all of their current engagements, all of their investments in relationships and security.Do not give your life to another until you have found your life, or you will have to risk everything in discovering your deeper nature. It is better to be alone and lonely, within a social context, than to build an entire life built around convenience and the expectations of others only to have to threaten all of that investment later on when you begin to realize that you have a…
ray_Colorado: … greater purpose for being in the world.
You can see there are dramatic consequences of this unwise investment everywhere around you. People are disconnected from Knowledge, they are strangers to themselves and so they become part of social structures that define them and yet they are lost within themselves. They have no sense of real direction in their life; they have lost their connection to deeper happiness, they are suffering and though they may work slavishly for their family or their community, they are suffering with no relief in sight and to try to find relief they will become involved in addictive behavior, they will give themselves to political causes or religious extremism to try to find an avenue to express their confusion and frustration.
Therefore the first guideline is; do not give your life to anyone or anything until you have really discovered the deeper current of Knowledge within yourself.” ( Eight Guidelines for Discovering Your Higher Purpose) …
You can see there are dramatic consequences of this unwise investment everywhere around you. People are disconnected from Knowledge, they are strangers to themselves and so they become part of social structures that define them and yet they are lost within themselves. They have no sense of real direction in their life; they have lost their connection to deeper happiness, they are suffering and though they may work slavishly for their family or their community, they are suffering with no relief in sight and to try to find relief they will become involved in addictive behavior, they will give themselves to political causes or religious extremism to try to find an avenue to express their confusion and frustration.
Therefore the first guideline is; do not give your life to anyone or anything until you have really discovered the deeper current of Knowledge within yourself.” ( Eight Guidelines for Discovering Your Higher Purpose) …
Alex Nz: Shane: definitlly agree, the New message brings the gift of a new life, should you accept sush an offer
Darlene_Society: We have been found, now it is up to us to find others. Some of us have been initiated, now it will be up to us to initiate others, simply by planting a seed perhaps and laying the groundwork daily. May we play our part with courage and with love for the humanity that we are no longer so estranged from, now that we are learning who we really are. Thank you to Marshall, Patricia and Reed for giving your lives to make this possible. Nasi Novare Coram
Paul_MA: Timing… I was struck by the time period of the transition being 150 years… the other timeframe to consider, that Marshall mentioned earlier, is that significant changes will start with 9 years from now….
Arthur: You are moving too slow chat.
Shane: @Aurora Yes, the in the teachings confirm that certain government groups have encouraged the spread of dis/mis info and programs to reduce credibility and encourage ridicule, and of course the Intervention doesn’t want to revealed. But still..
Ellen_Society: Thank you, Marshall, Patricia and Reed, for the high wisdom you share with us. Thank you Darlene and Jeanine for hosting this Chat today. And thank you all for your participation.
Nancy_Oregon: @Darlene Beautifully expressed. We have been found, now it is up to us to find others. today a few more of us are gathering to begin our ‘finding others’, here in Oregon.
Joyanne_Canada: @Arthur, isn’t that lovely, slow enough to read, and digest these great insights and wisdom’s flowing through each other..
Raoul_Australia: We truly have, Darlene! Yes, thank you Marshall, Patricia and Reed and the Society. Thank you all, see you soon, Nasi Novare Coram
Heidi_Germany: @Paul_MA: The Great Waves have already arrived and strike harder and harder. So I think it has started already and will intensify slowly.
jeanine_Society: Thank you everyone for gathering here today and sharing all your wisdom. Thank you to Marshall, Patricia & Reed for urging us further up the mountain, so we can participate in this “precious beginning, the opening chapter, pushing off the dock into unknown waters,” and do the “great multi-generational work to bring humanity into the Greater Community”, leaving our gifts behind. Nasi Novare Coram.
Hardev_Australia: Thank you Marshal, Patricia, Reed, Society and all gathered here. So much is realised in “Being a Greater Community Person”. NNC.
Virgie_near Seattle: Thank you, Reed. I think a lot about how the Christian Church might be able to receive the gifts of the NM, including GC awareness … it seems so very necessary.
LaRaeUK: Deep gratitude MVS, Patricia, Reed and Society members for helping to bring to us the greatest gift ever given to mankind. Thanks to all of you for your service. NNC
Aurora_Hawaii: @Shane; understand – I also notice those with “higher educations” stay with the programmed view much more solidly.
Heidi_Germany: Thanks to all! NNC
ray_Colorado: What Arthur is teaching us …. “LISTEN TO OTHERS WITHOUT JUDGMENT TODAY. Knowledge will indicate if what they are saying is of value or not. It will do this without any form of condemnation, without any comparison and without any evaluation on your part whatsoever. Knowledge is attracted to Knowledge, and it is not attracted to that which is not Knowledge. Therefore, you may find your rightful way without contributing judgment or hatred upon the world. This is your Inner Guidance system serving you. It will lead you where you need to be and will lead you to contribute where your contributions can be of the greatest value. If you listen to others without judgment, you will hear both Knowledge and the call for Knowledge. You will see where Knowledge exists and where it has been denied. This is natural. You do not need to judge people to make this determination. It is simply known.
LISTEN TO OTHERS SO THAT YOU MAY EXPERIENCE yourself listening, for it is not your task to judge the world…
LISTEN TO OTHERS SO THAT YOU MAY EXPERIENCE yourself listening, for it is not your task to judge the world…
ray_Colorado: … or to determine where and how your gifts should be given. It is your task to experience yourself in life and to allow Knowledge to arise, for Knowledge will give itself when and where it is appropriate. This allows you to have peace, for you are not trying to control the world.” Step.193 http://www.stepstoknow…y.htm
Tom_SanFrancisco: @aurora, the conformity of academia is a huge ball and chain on the evolution of humanity
Inhee_Korea: Thank you Darlene, I am impressed by your words. NNC.
manuel germany :): I would like to say goodbye with this quote: “
You came into the world with the Knowledge of who you are, who you must meet and what you must accomplish.
It is time to find this Knowledge
and begin to live it.
– thank you all for your wisdom and insights. Have you all a blissful week. Nasi Novare Coram
Shane: Just want to clarify something I said earlier about my ist reaction to denial of life in the Universe. What I meant to say is that, often, I get a voice perhaps a part of me, that has that response, it is just not the voice I follow. but it does give me a few laughs…
Shawn_Moose Jaw: Thank you Manuel,Nasi Novare Coram.
Reed_Society: Thank you everyone for this important campfire chat, a lot to be with here…
Aurora_Hawaii: @Tom all because those “in charge” lie to us… for their own purposes. I guess they have not found Grace themselves.
Jim B. Adirondacks: @ray thank you again for all the reference quotes you take the time to give to all of us! And yes, Arthur gives us many things to practice with!
ray_Colorado: Aurora_Hawaii: WGC1.18 Higher Education http://www.newmessage….ume-1
Alex Nz: Arthur: i read your message of feeling negitive towards the reality and for what i know about the world i sometimes find myself “to be honest” super pissed about the deceptions i see played out on a humanity i care for, being decieved for the most part, mainly because they are without knowledge and me even feeling this way is ignoring knowledge, all i can say is all we can do is our part and be with knowledge for what will be will be, and the more we be with knowledge the better i feel and stronger knowledge is in the world, as hard as it may be at times my advice is to focus inwardlly then to outwardlly, may peace find us and may the mystery be followed
Aurora_Hawaii: Thanks Ray! and @ Shane – humour is good.
Shrimayi Netherlands: Thank you all! Nasi Novare Coram.
Betty_UK: By becoming a free race we can help others, but when we’re not free what can we give?
Betty_UK: Thank you all Nasi Novare Coram
Aurora_Hawaii: @Betty, aren’t we free as individuals? So we have a lot to give in that realm, it seems.
Alexandra_NL: We are not free if we can´t follow that deeper current called Knowledge.
Tonia_Denmark: Same here, Shane. I laugh and cry with this voice. I argue with it, condenm it, I love it, I belittle it, but most of all, I listen for it again and again. Almost fearing what would happen if it left me and gave up on me.? I mean uh oh lol….but yes it has a great sense of humor and it middle name for me is “Good” (God).
Aurora_Hawaii: and yet – here we are! right Alexandra?
Alexandra_NL: it´s a beginning!
ray_Colorado: “The first two levels of education, which account for about ninety-nine percent of education in life, do not deal with Mystery. Mystery is a nuisance, something not to deal with, yes? It makes you a dreamer-less capable of surviving and developing your personal self. Much of the education that is happening now in human potential is for personal development. It is to talk better. Think better.
Look better. Act better. Have more. Suffer less. Yes? These are important, but there is something more important.
Our Presence represents the Mystery of your life because we live where you have come from. That is why when you receive our communication, you receive an aspect of yourself that is very much alive, but which is perhaps beyond your reach as an individual.
You have brought the vast majority of your mind, which is Knowledge, into this world. This is not your personal mind. It is not the you who is trying to survive, get things, keep things away, acquire pleasure and avoid pain. It is not…
Look better. Act better. Have more. Suffer less. Yes? These are important, but there is something more important.
Our Presence represents the Mystery of your life because we live where you have come from. That is why when you receive our communication, you receive an aspect of yourself that is very much alive, but which is perhaps beyond your reach as an individual.
You have brought the vast majority of your mind, which is Knowledge, into this world. This is not your personal mind. It is not the you who is trying to survive, get things, keep things away, acquire pleasure and avoid pain. It is not…
ray_Colorado: … struggling. It is not changing. It is not even growing. The first two stages of education deal with growth. The third stage, Knowledge, deals with discovery.
Knowledge is not growing, but your awareness of it is.” ( Higher Education) http://www.newmessage….ume-1
Knowledge is not growing, but your awareness of it is.” ( Higher Education) http://www.newmessage….ume-1
Tonia_Denmark: Thank you too, Reed…..Marshall and Patricia also….The Society….everyone. For a deeper connection to a higher reality to come forward. Nnc
Tom_SanFrancisco: @aurora, i do not think it is all intentional. eduction is a form of conditioning. many do not ever realize that what they were taught is only what the teachers CHOSE to teach, not necessarily the Truth. what they chose to teach is often what was handed down to them and what they have adhered to; i tis their foundation. rocking the foundation seems crazy to them. so astrophysicists cannot accept the theories of the electric universe. they laugh at it (arrogance). same with the theories of morphogenetic fields and other impressive ideas.
Mike_LF_CAL: @jeanine_Soc, (9:00) thank you so much for sharing that sacred prayer!!!!!!!!!!
Arthur: @Alex Nz Oh, but my anger extends to everything. But it will be resolved eventually.
Betty_UK: Hi Aurora, with freedom, means that we can follow our true nature Knowledge. I know for example, that I may find it difficult to (what my personal mind perceive) let down people, because I know I have other things that are more important to do, that even if I explained it to an other, they could not understand. It is becoming free from all conditioning, so that you can follow something more true in you.
Aurora_Hawaii: @Tom, agreed. It has been explained that when a student reveres the instructor more than the truth, the truth tends to get lost. I suppose I feel fortunate to have not become quite so indoctrinated.
MVS Society: Yes Shane. Our judgement against the world and ourselves is the crown of thorns we wear.
Aurora_Hawaii: AHHH Betty! Yes sometimes the most crucial freedom is the freedom to say no – or change one’s mind.
MaryS_Boulder: Arthur, I’m glad you keep showing up and feel free enough to express how you truly feel and what you’re really thinking. Your candor is endearing.
Kelton_Calif: Yes Reed there is so much to be with in all that was given in this chat. I will be simmering with it throughout the week to come. Much Gratitude to you, Marshall and Patricia. Much Gratitude to The society members and all who participate in our sacred weekly gathering of Hearts.
Shane: Thank you Marshall.
Nancy_Oregon: YES Simmering with it throughout the week to come. Gratitude for this forum and all the wisdom shared NNC
Tonia_Denmark: Thank you, Ray. Confirming my thinking about the process of this stage of development.
Patricia_Society: @Tyyne@”Thank you Marshall Vian, for recording this important teaching so many years ago and for now sharing it with us, students and people around the world at such a timely juncture.” Can you all imagine for a moment what this has been like for Marshall, for the Society…so much pouring into Marshall from his Source Community for so long, so much mixing and mingling in him with the simultaneous request and requirement that he “teach’ as well, and not only that he be the landing platform, the reservoir, the laboratory for such a Revelation, but also to be the one and the one’s to prepare, to bring forth, to offer such a massive and all encompassing Revelation. Thank God. Thank the Angels of God for knowing our delicate tolerances….Hold to each other we did, and we are, and we must…and together we will bring this Greater Community reality and spirituality to this splendid, well worn planet and to the intelligent race of Humanity that is being called now to contribute its gifts…
Patricia_Society: … to a Greater Community of Intelligent life..Thank you all so much for finding, recognizing this Revelation, this communication from God. My God, what does this say of you, who sent you and how you may have been prepared to help build the bridge, be the bridge….?
Alex Nz: Arthur: i read someones comment today that was along the lines of, im sick of the negitve reality and im now going to focus on spirtual stuff, me being me i linked the new message forthem, but the fact being your not the only one and when i find myself feeling along the same lines, i pick out a revelation that i resonate with at the time and either listen or work on somthing with the audio playing in the background, what helps me from time to time, i think its the focus shift is the key
Betty_UK: Aurora, you will have to take the journey to experience this for your self, as there was many aspects that I was not aware of until I did the Steps to Knowledge twice, it took me 3,5 years or so. I wouldn’t be able to explain this to you, because the experience is different for everyone. www.newmessage.org/steps
Bethne_UK: @ Arthur I agree with Mary L. I wanted to put in XOX to you. I like your persistance and saying how it is for you
ray_Colorado: Aurora_Hawaii: “Over the centuries, men have been so afraid of the power of women and the possibility of women ascending within the society and culture that they really have denied themselves the assets and the benefits of these skills. And civilization as a whole has been retarded and restrained, its full potential not realized because of this.” …. ” Slowly, over the past century in particular, women have been arising, representing the ascendancy of women in many cultures—not all cultures but many cultures. This is a natural evolution, as We have said. It must happen. And the human race will be far better for it. To hold women back and assign them domestic duties alone is a great mistake. It will deny the human family far greater resources that would be available otherwise.” (The Age of Women) http://www.newmessage….women
35530: So true MVS and every time that I succed to dont judge, I feel free, but so difficult.
Aurora_Hawaii: Oh yes! I have started – and I find it very worthwhile. I am new, so only at step 69.
LaRaeUK: I can relate to the anger Arthur….I was born furious and it continued until the age of 50 when I finally was able to forgive. First the person I blamed for all my unhappiness, then the world and then finally myself for not being anywhere near good enough. Forgiveness allowed me to start on my true pathway in life.
Tonia_Denmark: Hourly
Tonia_Denmark: Hourly
Arthur: And here I’ve been thinking that of how I am holding myself back.
Arthur: how I’ve been*
Bethne_UK: To Arthur
To ArthurMaryS_Boulder: Well, that’s evident and appreciated as well, friend Arthur
Arthur: and your appreciation is appreciated !
Tonia_Denmark: Tremendous pressure for Marshall I recon. I mean jaw dropping and to the point of what on earth is this. Wow, makes me speachless.
Betty_UK: Thank you Aurora
Carol_Society: Deepest gratitude to all for your participation here today. Mavran Mavran Conay Mavran (Step 298). Nasi Novare Coram.
Aurora_Hawaii: Thanks Ray – I have supportive friends and a hard head – so have made my way so far out of the traditional path. I am very grateful for the NM and all the effort surrounding its reception, preparation, and dissemination so that we can come together and learn what has been neglected.
ray_Colorado: “If you are moving in the right direction you will feel a deeper resonance within yourself, if you are not you will feel a disassociation with yourself, a kind of great wall between your conscious mind and your deeper reality. And while you may try to remain stimulated on the outside preoccupied with a busy life with over-involvement with other people, with a full schedule, you are still facing this wall within yourself.
It is as if you are living on the surface of your mind and had no idea what was down beneath the surface. This is the tragedy for so many people, they are working so hard to have a good life they are exerting so much effort to try to acquire the relationships and the possessions and the opportunities for themselves and yet they have not passed through this great barrier within themselves that keeps them from feeling and knowing and experiencing a deeper movement and direction in their lives.
So even if they are successful in worldly terms and have achieved many of…
It is as if you are living on the surface of your mind and had no idea what was down beneath the surface. This is the tragedy for so many people, they are working so hard to have a good life they are exerting so much effort to try to acquire the relationships and the possessions and the opportunities for themselves and yet they have not passed through this great barrier within themselves that keeps them from feeling and knowing and experiencing a deeper movement and direction in their lives.
So even if they are successful in worldly terms and have achieved many of…
ray_Colorado: … their goals and have been successful where others have failed, have achieved financial stability or even affluence, they are unknown to themselves. They think they are their mind and their thoughts and their beliefs and their attitudes and their psychological aspects and they identify with others but they have no real sense of themselves.
And so no matter what they acquire for themselves their pleasures are small and their frustration is great and they work like slaves to have these things and as is often the case they are dishonest with themselves and with other people they try to gain advantage, they try to look good to try to win approval and favor, and as a result their life is a kind of sham. It is unauthentic, it is all for show.” (Living The Life You Know You Must Live)https://www.youtube.co…TiIuw
And so no matter what they acquire for themselves their pleasures are small and their frustration is great and they work like slaves to have these things and as is often the case they are dishonest with themselves and with other people they try to gain advantage, they try to look good to try to win approval and favor, and as a result their life is a kind of sham. It is unauthentic, it is all for show.” (Living The Life You Know You Must Live)https://www.youtube.co…TiIuw
Aurora_Hawaii: Mahalo for your time, everyone! NNC
Joyanne_Canada: @Arthur, yes we hold ourselves back.. oh this life of separation is not easy, yet the pathway out is a freedom journey..we have the means now to end our journey through separation..Thank You MVS and the AA.. finally freedom from separation is here, and we only have to continue the preparation.. Yes Arthur we have many stages, levels and layers to pass through, work through out of Separation..but if we don’t take the Steps we can’t move up this mountain.. Be well
LaRaeUK: There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t imagine the difficulties, the stress and the massive responsibility that rests so much on Marshall Vian, his family and those precious Society members who have held fast all these years. I often weep with gratitude for all of you and all you’ve done to bring this Message to the world.
Joe_UK: Thank you All for this precious time together. Nasi Novare Coram
Shawn_Moose Jaw: Sometimes the fact that the New Message has come into the world seems to be taken for granted as an ongoing journey. Every now and then I imagine what it was like before encountering it… and once again the size of it, the import of it, the scope and depth of it are seen anew…I just want to say how grateful I am right now for what has been accomplished so far, and how blessed I feel being a part of it. Thank you Marshall. Hearing your voice 20 Years ago-such a demonstration of consistency, all the hands and hearts that helped this expression enter the world – both visible and invisible. Thank you Patricia for your firm strength and courage and loving support. Thank you Reed for you pure heart and effort. Thank you society for your earnest work and careful attention.Blessings too you all, Nasi Novare Coram.
Shane: I find anger a very dangerous emotion, it is so powerful and can give one a sense of power and even purpose, albeit temporary. I am frightened of myself when I get angry, I am not in charge of my ship and captain grumpy and reckless is steering. It is a lot like being drunk and leads to behaviors that one often regrets,
Joyanne_Canada: @LaRae, ditto, mind boggling to try to discern, Just listened to the Burden of the Messenger..and yes I weep too.. we are so blessed, it always leaves me feeling deeply grateful
Tyyne_Society: So true, @Patricia… oh, you held and held. You held the Revelation and each other through such times of not knowing but altogether going forward. You kept moving all those years ago. Now, today, so many more are gathering to support and shoulder this burden. It must be shouldered by many others now. Taking up our work and contribution now. Taking up simple service to this magnificent otherworldly revelation to an earthly people and reality and to do what Reed stated – merge at this point and blend these two realities, worldly and otherworldly, into a reality that will prove successful here over the years and decades to come. May this be so for us and this world. May this be so for the Messenger. May the burden be lightened for him now by the arrival of others here who know of this critical juncture in humanity’s evolution.
Betty_UK: Thank you Marshall for accepting your task, and bringing this great teaching in the world, how would we know of Knowledge without the New Message from God and your contribution to the world.
ray_Colorado: “If people choose another way eventually they become so lost that to find their way back seems almost impossible. But God has placed a deeper intelligence within each person, an intelligence called Knowledge … and it does know the way back for it has never left you and it still possesses your greater purpose in life.” …. ” Knowledge within you can bring you back but it will take time and it will not be easy because you have to undo so much both in your outer life and within your own mind. It takes courage and strength and determination you must face adversity and disappointment from other people, you must face uncertainty within yourself, you will doubt yourself wondering if you are going crazy… “What am I doing to my life? That I don’t want to do the things that I have been doing, I don’t want to do them anymore. I’m tired of shallow meaningless relationships I’m tired of being a slave trying to acquire things of little value. My soul is hungry it is needy it needs real connection…
ray_Colorado: … with people it needs a meaningful life and I am not living that life.”
There is a really difficult reckoning here when you realize that your life is really not what it must be. You are not living the life you were meant to live you are not being true to yourself. You have gone far afield and must now find your way back. You have become lost in the world. It has captured you it has conditioned you it has persuaded you to be a certain way to act a certain way to behave a certain way to meet certain social requirements to meet the expectations of your family or your culture or religion or all of the above.
And you feel lost. And somehow you cannot shake this feeling anymore. You can’t lose yourself in constant stimulation you can’t lose yourself in your job you can’t lose yourself in pursuing romance you can’t lose yourself in your hobbies or your fascinations because fundamentally you are not right with yourself and if you are not right with yourself you are not right with the…
There is a really difficult reckoning here when you realize that your life is really not what it must be. You are not living the life you were meant to live you are not being true to yourself. You have gone far afield and must now find your way back. You have become lost in the world. It has captured you it has conditioned you it has persuaded you to be a certain way to act a certain way to behave a certain way to meet certain social requirements to meet the expectations of your family or your culture or religion or all of the above.
And you feel lost. And somehow you cannot shake this feeling anymore. You can’t lose yourself in constant stimulation you can’t lose yourself in your job you can’t lose yourself in pursuing romance you can’t lose yourself in your hobbies or your fascinations because fundamentally you are not right with yourself and if you are not right with yourself you are not right with the…
ray_Colorado: … people you are with.
You are not right with your circumstances.
Everything is out of sync … because you are out of sync … and you are frustrated, and you have a kind of anger that doesn’t seem to be related to anything in particular. It can be stimulated by disappointment it can be stimulated by your inability to express yourself it can be stimulated by disappointment in the world but it is really something else it is more fundamental and it is more protracted within you. You can tell yourself “Well, I am living such a wonderful life I have so many advantages or at least I am better off than those people over there. So many worse things could be happening to me so I should be thankful I should be grateful but inside something inside is really missing.”
And you cannot talk yourself out of it … because you are not right with yourself.
You are not living the life you were meant to live.” https://www.youtube.co…3RRaU
You are not right with your circumstances.
Everything is out of sync … because you are out of sync … and you are frustrated, and you have a kind of anger that doesn’t seem to be related to anything in particular. It can be stimulated by disappointment it can be stimulated by your inability to express yourself it can be stimulated by disappointment in the world but it is really something else it is more fundamental and it is more protracted within you. You can tell yourself “Well, I am living such a wonderful life I have so many advantages or at least I am better off than those people over there. So many worse things could be happening to me so I should be thankful I should be grateful but inside something inside is really missing.”
And you cannot talk yourself out of it … because you are not right with yourself.
You are not living the life you were meant to live.” https://www.youtube.co…3RRaU
LaRaeUK: Indeed Joyanne. I listen to that revelation frequently so as to be reminded of the importance of getting this into the world.
Solange~Indy_USA: @ Shane. yes! when I am being bothered by the Intervention, I have to remember that anger only feeds them. It does feel dangerous to engage in those emotions.
LaRaeUK: Amen Tyyne.
MVS Society: The Greater Community teaching and reality is meant for everyone to learn. It is a teaching for the whole world. Yet the GC people will likely be the first to respond and to prepare.
Arthur: I’ve actually been incapable of feeling deep anger for as long as I can remember. The anger I feel now is still very weak.
Arthur: “without anger you can’t feel love”
Arthur: or something like that
Alison_Boulder: It was humbling to hear this message from a young Messenger, from 1997, when i was only beginning to question God and also at the beginning of getting lost.
It would be over 10 years after that when I would show up and meet the Society and MVS, asking questions and wondering things that have been wondered time and time again in the midst of our patient Messenger. I now think about what and who are needed, and I think of this teaching: http://www.newmessage….g-for
It would be over 10 years after that when I would show up and meet the Society and MVS, asking questions and wondering things that have been wondered time and time again in the midst of our patient Messenger. I now think about what and who are needed, and I think of this teaching: http://www.newmessage….g-for
Arthur: But then “your anger is unjustified”
Arthur: hmm
Tyyne_Society: Thank you, Alison.
ray_Colorado: “The preoccupation with error is nothing more than a decision not to know.”
LaRaeUK: Thank you Alison. I listen to that one often.
ray_Colorado: Retreana Carvedan Celton Iy: “Receive the Heart of God through your Spiritual Family that is joined about you.” Nasi Novare Coram
Alex Nz: forgive the world and the reality for most are without knowledge what can you expect from a world without the greatest guide for our lives, God does not condem them, so why should we? may peace be with us and knowledge be our guiding force and may we pass on this great gift to those that may recieve, NNC everyone
Marianna: They have to be stable. They have to be strong. They can’t bring a host of internal conflicts and disassociation into this sacred environment. They need to have made some peace with their past and recognize that their destiny is beyond that and use their past to develop wisdom, perspective and objectivity regarding themselves and the world around them.
Alexandra_NL: Than you Alison_Boulder
Arthur: @ray, We are supposed to feel anger knowing that it is unjustified. But anger doesn’t care about justification so how can these things coexist?
Eron_Boulder: Blessings everyone…Nasi Novare Coram
Betty_UK: Thank you Alison
Shawn_Moose Jaw: Thank you Alison, perfect timing.
Shane: Your emotions are a part of the navigation system, so they have a purpose. For me it is about recognizing what I am feeling and why. Anger is really a secondary emotion in my experience and is a result of hurt and frustration. I am not my feelings, thoughts, or emotions but the one listening, feeling, observing them. I find my peace deep in my center at the fire of knowledge even when its just barely simmering, My presence there is fuel for the fire, so just turning up helps.
MVS Society: “God’s first purpose is to unburden you, to relieve you of those things that are harming you and others, to relieve you of your crown of thorns, your aggravations, your contempt for others and yourself, your regrets, your ignorance. God’s first purpose is to unburden you.”
THE ONE BOOK: Being Centered in a Crashing World.
THE ONE BOOK: Being Centered in a Crashing World.
Mike_LF_CAL: @Ray_CO (9:22) your quotes are hitting me… hard “If you are seeking Knowledge, then you will risk these relationships constantly. That is why it is best to seek Knowledge first. Anything you establish as a substitute for Knowledge you will risk losing.”
Jim B. Adirondacks: Profound gratitude to Marshall for doing what needed to be done with tolerance, compassion, love and responsibility!! Thank you to Patricia and Reed for being 2 pillars MVS could lean on at times when he needed someone there for support and strength!! Thank you to the Society for your courage and honesty to do what each of you needed to do when you found the NM or it found you! And thank you to all fellow students for doing what you each need to do based on your design to bring your gifts into a world in tremendous need!!! The world needs all of us now! And as someone whom I respect dearly has said to me: “You have more strength and power within you than you know.” Nasi Novare Coram
Bruce in Cape Cod: I wholeheartedly second that!
Arthur: I worded my last statement so poorly. What I meant to say is: “How can we truly feel anger if we for a fact know it’s unjustified?”
Marianna: Step 96
God’s Will is for me to be unburdened.Therefore, accept this first great offer to unburden
you from the hopeless conflicts that you attempt to resolve,
from meaningless pursuits which lead you nowhere, from false
promises of this world and from your own idealism which paints
a picture the world cannot possibly support. In simplicity and
humility the greatness of life will dawn upon you, and you will
know that you have given away nothing for something of the
greatest value.
God’s Will is for me to be unburdened.Therefore, accept this first great offer to unburden
you from the hopeless conflicts that you attempt to resolve,
from meaningless pursuits which lead you nowhere, from false
promises of this world and from your own idealism which paints
a picture the world cannot possibly support. In simplicity and
humility the greatness of life will dawn upon you, and you will
know that you have given away nothing for something of the
greatest value.
LaRaeUK: We’ve felt it a long, long time and what our head knows, our emotions don’t always follow.
Marianna: Our own idealism for a better world is burden also??
Arthur: @LaRae Complete control of emotions is achievable.
Arthur: It’s not something I have though.
manuel germany :): @Marianna: yes, idealism may help at the outset, but later on we have base on reality and not on ideas in our heads…
LaRaeUK: Yes I agree Arthur.
MVS Society: Some emotions come from Knowledge. Do not try and control these emotions.
LaRaeUK: Ah thank you for that wisdom MVS….
Marianna: Did some judgments come from Knowledge also?
Marianna: Yes Manuel it must be so.
Mark_Boulder: “Anger contains the seed of true communication.” – paraphrase
Shrimayi Netherlands: @LaRae thank you I am with you in this There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t imagine the difficulties, the stress and the massive responsibility that rests so much on Marshall Vian, his family and those precious Society members who have held fast all these years. I often weep with gratitude for all of you and all you’ve done to bring this Message to the world.
Mark_Boulder: “…it may be said that your anger is a true communication that has been distorted by your own projections of blame and fear. Once these distortions have been cleared away, the true communication that is the seed of all anger can be expressed. This can only bring about good.” Step 241: http://stepstoknowledg…d.htm
Tonia_Denmark: Thousands of steps taken by each individual, thousands of thoughts, thousands of turns and movements and we think we know why another did this and that? It reminds me of Step 309 – The world I see is attempting to become one community.
Cole_Boulder: When i often feel anger I recognize there is something for me to know or do, but a center-line of understanding is warped by my interpretation, personal offense, etc. It has been hard to find a place of clarity in the midst of it, though later, in stillness or contemplation, it can subside. I still struggle with this quite often
Marianna: If you feel anger, you have to corect some isues.
Tuukka_FIN: One bit from Living the Way of Knowledge I found important (or was it somewhere else?):
“Estrangement from life produces all neurosis. The inability to act produces all frustration. The inability to know produces all deception.”
“Estrangement from life produces all neurosis. The inability to act produces all frustration. The inability to know produces all deception.”
Maureen_Boulder: Arthur: Re: anger and emotions “If you are in
distress today, judge yourself not, for you are merely confused.” Step 222
Your suffering is born of confusion. Step 230
There are many references to confusion. It was helpful for me to search Steps for this word.
distress today, judge yourself not, for you are merely confused.” Step 222
Your suffering is born of confusion. Step 230
There are many references to confusion. It was helpful for me to search Steps for this word.
Marianna: Anger is like alarm lights in a car.
Maureen_Boulder: I can’t deny my anger but I can examine it to see where the confusion lies.
Tyyne_Society: Yes, Tuukka, Living the Way – Chapter 5. Thank you for sharing this.
Maureen_Boulder: I can’t deny my anger but I can examine it to see where the confusion lies.
Tyyne_Society: Yes, Tuukka, Living the Way – Chapter 5. Thank you for sharing this.
Tonia_Denmark: Tukka, resonating.
Cole_Boulder: That is a good way of putting it Maureen, thank you
Shane: Understanding “unjustified” can seem pretty complex at times. But is it not just part of an expression of knowledge or the need for knowledge. I often ask myself am I making the small big and the big small. Am I clapping like a trained seal. or Do I have a genuine grievance, if so I acknowledge, validate my feelings that yes that was/is a normal emotion to feel, What is the wisdom to be gained? Learn and move forward..
Jim B. Adirondacks: Indeed Cole, Maureen, Mark and others. For me anger is manifested in my inability to communicate honestly and effectively because I am confused.
LaRaeUK: Beautifully expressed Shane….thank you.
Cole_Boulder: @Jim yes – and also for me, afraid – to change the nature of a situation or relationship or to do something that would risk my position… here I find it ever more important to learn the lessons of discretion. Confusing, indeed.
Patricia_Society: @ Alison: “It was humbling to hear this message from a young Messenger, from 1997, when i was only beginning to question God and also at the beginning of getting lost.” Oh yes, and to know that, by that point in time, Marshall Vian had already been deeply engaged in directly serving/receiving the Revelation and it’s Source for 14 years in total obscurity, little support…Though delicate by nature and for this purpose, onward and onward he went. It was then a long road leading up to the moment when Marshall gave the teaching, “Being a Greater Community Person” and now 20 years since….Do you see why you all are needed and so important to this Mission…? Again thank you all….
Arthur: well you can be quite the helpful bunch, I am off to deal with my anger.
ray_Colorado: “”while other people seem to be content or perhaps more correctly resigned to their circumstances you can’t seem to do this anymore you cannot simply resign yourself and say “Well, it is really OK it is life therefore it is what I must do.”, because it is not honest.
It does not matter that everyone seems to be fairly satisfied; it is your own recognition within yourself.
It is like God has hooked you and you are a fish and it takes a long time to reel you in because you are so far out there, you are so resistant, and you are fighting and you are struggling and God is reeling you in but you are fighting you are struggling you are trying to go somewhere else and you are over committed to a life that isn’t really your real life.
It is so important here to come to face this because life on the outside will continue to be frustrating and disappointing and you will continue to have difficulty expressing yourself with other people but you must come to terms with this and face this question;…
It does not matter that everyone seems to be fairly satisfied; it is your own recognition within yourself.
It is like God has hooked you and you are a fish and it takes a long time to reel you in because you are so far out there, you are so resistant, and you are fighting and you are struggling and God is reeling you in but you are fighting you are struggling you are trying to go somewhere else and you are over committed to a life that isn’t really your real life.
It is so important here to come to face this because life on the outside will continue to be frustrating and disappointing and you will continue to have difficulty expressing yourself with other people but you must come to terms with this and face this question;…
ray_Colorado: …
“Am I really living the life I am meant to live … not that I want live but that I am meant to live, that I must live?” If you are not sure then you need to keep asking. Ask yourself;
“Will I be content living the rest of my life under these circumstances and with my current understanding and current values?”
It is really asking the same question but using different words.
“Am I really fulfilling my greater ability and potential here? Am I really doing what God sent me into the world to do? Am I really engaged with the right people? Am I really in the right place and engaged in the right activities?” These questions are all very similar because they are attempting to penetrate the deeper reality within yourself and ask very fundamental questions about your life.
You may not have an answer to these questions right away but the fact you are asking them and continuing to ask them, that is what is important. These are not questions that are intellectual games these are not questions…
“Am I really living the life I am meant to live … not that I want live but that I am meant to live, that I must live?” If you are not sure then you need to keep asking. Ask yourself;
“Will I be content living the rest of my life under these circumstances and with my current understanding and current values?”
It is really asking the same question but using different words.
“Am I really fulfilling my greater ability and potential here? Am I really doing what God sent me into the world to do? Am I really engaged with the right people? Am I really in the right place and engaged in the right activities?” These questions are all very similar because they are attempting to penetrate the deeper reality within yourself and ask very fundamental questions about your life.
You may not have an answer to these questions right away but the fact you are asking them and continuing to ask them, that is what is important. These are not questions that are intellectual games these are not questions…
ray_Colorado: … that you can answer with a statement or a sentence or a definition.
They are inquiries they are explorations.
Like you are mining for gold the nuggets are not sitting out on the surface and you just pick them up, you have to dig for them. Here you have to dig within yourself, take time out from your busy over all schedules and begin to concern yourself with these kinds of questions.” (Living The Life You Know You Must Live) https://www.youtube.co…3RRaU
They are inquiries they are explorations.
Like you are mining for gold the nuggets are not sitting out on the surface and you just pick them up, you have to dig for them. Here you have to dig within yourself, take time out from your busy over all schedules and begin to concern yourself with these kinds of questions.” (Living The Life You Know You Must Live) https://www.youtube.co…3RRaU
Hyeonam_Korea: Thank you all. Nasi Novare Coram
Bruce in Cape Cod: Thank you Ray! Very powerful for me…
LaRaeUK: Yes Patrica, yes….we do see….and many of us are called.
Virgie_near Seattle: Thank you, everyone, for sharing wisdom, and questions, and your presence. I’m grateful to be among such great company.
Cole_Boulder: Thank you Marshall and Patricia
Tonia_Denmark: Thank you, Ray! God fishing and reeling in. I like that.
ray_Colorado: “People want the answer before they will do the investigation they want to know what the outcome will be before they involve themselves. It is not like this. It is like taking a journey, a journey you did not create for yourself a journey that has been waiting for you for so very long. You take it because you must know the truth about your life.
Perhaps you have tasted enough sorrow and pleasure in this world to realize that they are only tastes and they do not represent who and what you really are, but you cannot be satisfied with what other people are trying to be satisfied with. But you are not in the world to simply be a consumer, a locust upon the world consuming everything in sight, that there is really a greater purpose for you coming and for your being here.
The cause of suffering at a deeper level at a more fundamental level and not merely at the surface has to do with one’s inability or unwillingness to explore and face the reality and greater purpose of their life.
You could…
Perhaps you have tasted enough sorrow and pleasure in this world to realize that they are only tastes and they do not represent who and what you really are, but you cannot be satisfied with what other people are trying to be satisfied with. But you are not in the world to simply be a consumer, a locust upon the world consuming everything in sight, that there is really a greater purpose for you coming and for your being here.
The cause of suffering at a deeper level at a more fundamental level and not merely at the surface has to do with one’s inability or unwillingness to explore and face the reality and greater purpose of their life.
You could…
ray_Colorado: … say that suffering is the result of attachment. Well, attachment to outer things does create suffering but the answer is not complete, to become more unattached may make you a little freer but does not answer the fundamental question of who you are and why you are here, what you are doing what you are giving yourself to. You cannot simply withdraw from the outside searching for peace because at the level of your soul the need of your soul will still be unmet, you will still be discontented you will still be frustrated and your desire for peace is like a kind of escape.
All the work that was done to bring you into the world is considerable. To have you be here and simply want to leave does not fulfill your purpose nor the purpose of those who have brought you here.
You have been sent into the world to give specific gifts within specific situations involving certain people. If you just want to escape to be happy to be at peace to avoid the challenges and difficulties of life … Well,…
All the work that was done to bring you into the world is considerable. To have you be here and simply want to leave does not fulfill your purpose nor the purpose of those who have brought you here.
You have been sent into the world to give specific gifts within specific situations involving certain people. If you just want to escape to be happy to be at peace to avoid the challenges and difficulties of life … Well,…
ray_Colorado: … you are not fulfilling your purpose. You can be at peace when you leave this world.
You have come here to contribute, to serve not just to invest in your own happiness and how dishonest you will become with yourself in your pursuit of happiness. You will only want to see certain things you will only hear certain things that support your pursuit for happiness. You will not want to see suffering you will not want to see conflict you will not want to see most of the realities of life here you will not want to face really difficult questions about your life you will not want to have to do any real work within yourself or work within the world seeking out only reprieve.
That is not why you are here. Do not waste your life trying to secure happiness at the expense of a greater purpose that has brought you here for you will not find this happiness and failure will follow you like a shadow and anger and frustration will be your mate.
To take the Steps to Knowledge is to begin the journey…
You have come here to contribute, to serve not just to invest in your own happiness and how dishonest you will become with yourself in your pursuit of happiness. You will only want to see certain things you will only hear certain things that support your pursuit for happiness. You will not want to see suffering you will not want to see conflict you will not want to see most of the realities of life here you will not want to face really difficult questions about your life you will not want to have to do any real work within yourself or work within the world seeking out only reprieve.
That is not why you are here. Do not waste your life trying to secure happiness at the expense of a greater purpose that has brought you here for you will not find this happiness and failure will follow you like a shadow and anger and frustration will be your mate.
To take the Steps to Knowledge is to begin the journey…
ray_Colorado: … of Return. To begin to come back, to find your way back to what is essential to what is real and you have to make this journey back because having answers or explanations alone will not do.” (Living The Life You Know You Must Live)
Cole_Boulder: “Here you realize that you a pioneer. You are doing something new. You are at the very outset of a great movement, a great shift. As a pioneer, you will have to face loneliness and the lack of recognition from others. You will have to build your own strength and bond closely with others who are responding to the Revelation.” – Being a Person of the NM
ray_Colorado: “There is no bargaining here with reality. You cannot strike up a deal with Knowledge, “Well, I’ll give a little to you if you give me these things that I want”, it does not happen like that. You can’t make a deal. You can either connect with your inner life and learn to follow its direction and to take the Steps to Knowledge or your attempt to continue your desperate pursuit at personal fulfillment and trying to make separation work at trying to create yourself all the while missing what has been created within you and for you.
This is the big prescription. It is not like taking a pill and feeling better for a few hours. It is not simply adapting yourself to the world in a way that it upsets you less. That may be necessary of course to do those things but they are temporary they are only partially successful. You still have the big questions to deal with the questions you have to live with that you cannot answer for the answer to these questions is choosing a direction in life and…
This is the big prescription. It is not like taking a pill and feeling better for a few hours. It is not simply adapting yourself to the world in a way that it upsets you less. That may be necessary of course to do those things but they are temporary they are only partially successful. You still have the big questions to deal with the questions you have to live with that you cannot answer for the answer to these questions is choosing a direction in life and…
ray_Colorado: … living that life and taking that life step by step.
That is life.
Not proclaiming your spiritual living for higher purpose, “This who I really am this is who I am meant to be.” People do this all the time and it is just another form of deflection and self avoidance.
When you really connect with the deeper current of your life it will be very mysterious. You cannot define it, you will say “Well, I know I must do something or I feel I must go to this place or I really feel I need to be here doing what I am doing.”, and you can’t explain it to people, you can’t give it a lofty goal a lofty definition.
You are simply doing what is the next step for you to do and you are doing it to the best of your ability and that is it because this is a mystery, the intellect will have to go along and learn to trust this. It is not in control now. You will have to control your outer life and emotions to a great degree but you are living a greater life, a life beyond the reach of the intellect.
Some…
That is life.
Not proclaiming your spiritual living for higher purpose, “This who I really am this is who I am meant to be.” People do this all the time and it is just another form of deflection and self avoidance.
When you really connect with the deeper current of your life it will be very mysterious. You cannot define it, you will say “Well, I know I must do something or I feel I must go to this place or I really feel I need to be here doing what I am doing.”, and you can’t explain it to people, you can’t give it a lofty goal a lofty definition.
You are simply doing what is the next step for you to do and you are doing it to the best of your ability and that is it because this is a mystery, the intellect will have to go along and learn to trust this. It is not in control now. You will have to control your outer life and emotions to a great degree but you are living a greater life, a life beyond the reach of the intellect.
Some…
ray_Colorado: … people cannot do this.
Everything has to be understood. Everything has to be controlled. Everything has to fit into definitions. They are slaves to their mind to their beliefs driven fundamentally by insecurity unable or unwilling to face the mystery and uncertainty of life.
Unwilling to take the risk unwilling to do anything daring, they live like a colony of gophers, they are just going to dig a hole and live there pop the head out once in awhile look around and go back in.
You have the freedom to live a greater life and you have the freedom to live a lesser life but if you choose to live a lesser life do not expect satisfaction do not expect harmony within yourself do not expect to be in really meaningful relationships with other people. Do not expect your pleasures and enjoyments to be long lasting or even more than momentary, do not think that the acquisition of possessions wealth people power will really satisfy anything within yourself.
Life will be a desperate frustrating…
Everything has to be understood. Everything has to be controlled. Everything has to fit into definitions. They are slaves to their mind to their beliefs driven fundamentally by insecurity unable or unwilling to face the mystery and uncertainty of life.
Unwilling to take the risk unwilling to do anything daring, they live like a colony of gophers, they are just going to dig a hole and live there pop the head out once in awhile look around and go back in.
You have the freedom to live a greater life and you have the freedom to live a lesser life but if you choose to live a lesser life do not expect satisfaction do not expect harmony within yourself do not expect to be in really meaningful relationships with other people. Do not expect your pleasures and enjoyments to be long lasting or even more than momentary, do not think that the acquisition of possessions wealth people power will really satisfy anything within yourself.
Life will be a desperate frustrating…
ray_Colorado: … attempt with moments of pleasure and reprieve here and there. That is what you can expect if that is fine with you then you can choose a lesser life and it will not be quite so disappointing to you but if you seek real relationship with others if you seek to find your own strength and ability, if you seek to fulfill your greater destiny here then you are choosing a very different pathway and it is this different pathway that holds all the promise of your life.” (Living The Life You Know You Must Live)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIlrBh3RRaU Nasi Novare Coram
Tonia_Denmark: What a chat today. Nnc.
Marianna: Thanks all of you, you are so wonderful. Nasi Novare Coram.
Marianna: Thanks all of you, you are so wonderful. Nasi Novare Coram.
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Reading the chat on Sunday, I can certainly identify with the feeling of being different and never fitting in, no matter how hard I tried. Finally I decided not to try any longer and that is when my real journey began. Just recently, I reframed the whole business of being a misfit by realising that maybe I was being held back until I could find the New Message. Now I am so glad I didn’t get caught in the world’s net and thus lose out on my real chance.
I gave up sharing on the Chat, for don’t know where this belongs or fits in. So am posting here at the end of the Transcript whilst awaiting the Forum.
I wrote this prior to this Saturday’s Chat, and it reflects my thoughts through the week, in preparation:-
I’m so used to doing things that I don’t really want to do, that I have to check in to see where the source of discomfort is – is it from K or me, or both? So is there something I need to do despite my discomfort, or am I being warned off doing something? My symptoms often arise in the form of a physical disability from doing something the wrong way, because within me I’m just so against it – it’s ‘wrong’ for me, and if I push against my body I get exhausted and physically depleted. Even if I’m in the ‘right’ place, if I ‘give’ too much and over-engage in the world, I get tired. There’s really only one place to replenish.
This resonated with me from the Messenger Speaks: Being a Greater Community Person:- “If you can accept these things, and if you are willing to make this journey of discovery, then your life will be validated and confirmed. And you will embark on something that will make you feel so happy within yourself, so right about your life for once—a kind of inner satisfaction that all the stimulation in the world cannot produce, a kind of odd confirmation of your Being that it so needs.”
Also: “Your Being does have needs. It needs to be here; it needs to be recognized; and it needs to express and to give what it has. Without that, at the core of us, we are like caged animals. And we build our own cage of comfort and convenience and consolation, and we are wandering around this cage, pacing, unable to be the true creature that we are.”
Watching the Dog Whisperer I see how problems stem from either the dog owners’ stress & anxiety, or humanising their pets. Similarly, part of the problem we have on this planet is people humanising God.
Anyway, it helps me when I observe animals & their potential, as a way of thinking about the diversity of life in the universe, and how we might functionally interact with it. It also helps me relate to the non-verbal aspect in myself that is very present in the moment.
When I look at our cat, and consider the evolution of species on our planet, I wonder at our responsibility towards their advancement or even extinction. What a lost opportunity that would be. But who takes responsibility for this, or even reflects on it? But God has a Plan.
Doing Tai Chi moves have taken on a new perspective as I envision the animals posed.
Then, I watch our cat Billie, and foresee a Nocturnal cat planet, with perhaps lots of synchronised purring instead of packs 😉
Survival of animals and different species is all very paradoxical. Animals’ development benefits from proximity to humans – eg cats & dogs learning languages & building communication skills and awareness. If animals are no longer ‘needed’ by humans, eg for food consumption, then they’ll merely be killed off or squeezed off the land; risking extinction & so stunting the evolution of their species (and perhaps others that are co-reliant).
In terms of the functional interaction of different species – it is something we humans also have to learn to do, as we will have to interact with intelligent life from other worlds. In addition, some of the native species on Earth have had to adapt in order to survive, many by co-habiting with each other and people in urban environments. Clearly as land shifts and runaway climate change (due to the irresponsibility of previous generations and our generation) takes hold, the way I see it, there will need to be more of this.
On the other hand, look at how we treat pests, such as locusts or mosquitos, which devastate the land or spread diseases. How so we value their lives? Similarly, humans are devastating the planet and behaving recklessly – wouldn’t anybody looking on want to shrink the population to make it manageable and preserve the environment?
Relying on the Great Waves of Change is a horrendous way to go.
Will we be responsible and do this for ourselves, or wait till others come and do it for us? Which they will.