Carol_Society:  As we wait for others to arrive before we begin our discussion today, let us be with the wisdoms of the Messenger, shared with us at last week’s Campfire Chat: 

“Facing these Hurricanes and other great oncoming disasters provides a real Knowledge test for people. Imagine the challenge and the difficulty and the importance of doing this if you were there or are there. Here the 4 Fundamental questions come into play: What is happening? Why is it happening? What does it mean? What must I do? Here the freedom to experience Knowledge, to be with what you see and to move with Knowledge is all important, as it is everyday in our lives.”
“We are in the foothills of the Great Waves of change. The Great hurricanes upon us are like a fire drill for what is yet to come. Will people learn, will people prepare, will people change and move to higher ground or will people and governments fall back into listlessness and blind assumptions of safety. The lessons on the importance of preparation for…

Carol_Society:  … the GW and the GC and the tragedy of failing to do so are being played out before our eyes.”

“I recommend that all of you read The Great Waves Prophecy we have just added to the further study of this School Session. It connects the Great Waves of change to the coming of the Greater Community very powerfully and gives us all a clear picture of the great change that is coming to the Earth. It is very direct and very firm. It is from the book The Great Waves of Change.”

“It wasn’t raining when Noah built the Ark. We must prepare for what is being revealed, not for what people can see.”

“[Moving to higher ground] has two meanings. Move to higher ground within yourself. Out in the world, move to higher ground circumstantially unless Knowledge directs you otherwise.”

“If you can accept that many cannot prepare, either because of poverty and oppression or because of obstinance, you will have to accept that many will lose everything and many will perish. With true acceptance comes…

Carol_Society:  … a harsher truth.”

“Let us pray for all those facing travail and the possibility of devastation from these hurricanes and from the 80 fires burning and the 24K firefighters on the ground in the western US and many elsewhere. I feel for them immensely. If you are to gain the capacity to feel great love, you must be willing to feel the gravity of these times. For love and concern come from the same well.”

“This is a time of great truth, feeling and despair for all that is being lost.”

Hyeonam_Korea:  Greetings all. NNC
Levy_Brazil:  Hey Manuel, a summerish spring here
manuel germany :):  lucky one Levy, here autumn is already knocking on the door…
manuel germany :):  Hi Fred, good to see you again 
Howard Boulder:  Good morning all.
Tonia _Denmark:  Hello everyone. Nnc.
Joyanne_Canada:  good moring everyone and welcome to New Stuidents.
Joyanne_Canada:  Students
Raehyung_Korea:  Hi everyone.
Robert_Society:  As we prepare to begin our Chat today, let us pause together in a few moments of stillness for an hourly.
Matt_bzn:  It’s been pouring rain in MT for three days and snowed last night. Perhaps the beginning of the end of a terrible fire season.
mellany UK:  Hi everyone!
Jim B. Upstate NY:  “The fact that people do not see it, do not think of it, do not recognize it simply represents your lack of development, your lack of wisdom and the indulgences that you have given yourself to that blind you to the realities of the basic laws of nature itself.” This quote struck me. For we have all been in this place and sometimes go back there in life. The New Message of God has changed this for me because it talks about the truth of why we are here and what we need to do. This is why my practice in STK is the most important part of my life now. Yet, at times it falls away. The Return is so important to remember and not beat myself up but allow myself to grow and mature in time. It is a process in time which is what time now for me is for.
Richmond_UK:  Hello everyone
nenette_istanbul:  This has impact on me:”There will be the risk of great starvation in many parts of the world, even in parts of the wealthy nations. There will have to be ever-increasing international agreements. Food will have to be distributed where it is needed most. There will be great shortages of medicines and medical care, even in the wealthy nations. There will be tremendously destructive weather events.”
Shane – New Zealand:  Hello everyone
Carol_Society:  It is always a pleasure to welcome each of you, as more and more of you find your way here, often representing new locations around the world. Last week an all-time high with 151 students gathered on this sacred meeting ground. And now we come here once again, bearing the gifts of our presence, our experience, our wisdom, to be given like offerings placed upon the altar of God. Such power, I feel, in this joint, focused endeavor that we are about to embark on today.
ray_Colorado:  Nasi Novare Coram
Levy_Brazil:  Thank you, Jim
manuel germany :):  Hello Mel and Rich, good to see you again 
Robert_Society:  Hello and welcome to everyone here today for our Free School Chat. We acknowledge and honor your participation here and thank you for your support of the New Message and its Messenger. We all represent a growing world community that is anchoring a new reality in the world. A reality that must become known and understood by many more people.
Arthur:  Hello, chat
Thérèse:  Finally back home in Venice, FL … but no electricity. Initially stayed in a tiny house … 4 families, 2 children, & 3 dogs. Then moved to my daughters just doors away from our house. It has been quite an experience … a tiny sample of the Great Waves of Change. Been a great learning experience.
Darlene_Society:  Oh Matt, very good news, finally.
mellany UK:  Hey, Manuel! :))
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @Jim B. Me too. I have to pause sometimes to integrate what I’m learning.
Joyanne_Canada:  Happy your safe and sound
Paul_MA:  Carol- that is great! For me today, Step 298 Mavran Mavran Conay Mavran carries great weight. -NNC
Cameron_Canada:  @Carol – Funny you should mention that. I was watching the ticker also but only saw it go to 149
Greg_UK:  Hello everyone

ray_Colorado:  Robert_Society: “The human population will have to become much smaller in the future, hopefully by human will and through compassionate means. If not, then nature will devastate the human population—nature, conflict and war.

You will have a smaller world to live in. Perhaps only a billion people could live here, maybe two, but not much more. That is with your advanced technology and your best efforts, a strong international community, tremendous cooperation and the mitigation and the limiting of conflict and war. In other words, if everything is done well and correctly, with immense human contribution, you will still have to have a small world population.” The Great Waves Prophecy http://www.newmessage….phecy

Cameron_Canada:  was wating for 150
MaryL_Boulder:  hello everyone glad to see everyone
SangHyun_CA_Korea:  Hello everyone!

Robert_Society:  We have just completed Week 2 of the September-October Free School Session focused on Preparing for Contact with Intelligent Life in the Universe.

At the last Campfire Chat, the Messenger recommended that we read “The Great Waves Prophecy,” Ch. 9 in The Great Waves of Change book. “It connects the Great Waves of change to the coming of the Greater Community very powerfully and gives us all a clear picture of the great change that is coming to the Earth. It is very direct and very firm.”

What impacted you the most in reading The Great Waves Prophecy, Chapter 9 in The Great Waves of Change?

manuel germany :):  Hello Mathieu good to see you again 
Damien_France:  Hello everyone
Mathieu_France:  Hi Manuel : )
Raoul_Australia:  Hi all, greetings from Australia
manuel germany :):  Hello Raoul, Damien and Martin good to see you again
Hardev_Australia:  Hi Martin, Raoul
Dariel_Boulder:  @ Matt…So sorry to here about the terrible fires there. The skies here were full of sooty haze for days but I know it was much worse for you. Certainly part of the Great Waves of change.
Russell@Sask:  @ Justin Calif. And what an experience the Burning Man must have been. I was excited about attending until I seen the price tag. Then we just watched some previous videos about it saying that must be intense.
Cameron_Canada:  “If you do not see the gravity of the problem, you will not recognize the significance of the solution. If you do not see that you really do not have an answer for all of these things, then you will not be in a position to accept the grace and the power that God is providing the world. If you will not accept the reality, then you will not recognize the remedy.”
Ellen_Society:  Greetings to everyone as we begin this sacred chat.
Amina Russia:  These words impacted me greatly: The situation is far more serious than you realize and will require from you a greater strength than you think you have, but which in reality you do have. Your faith in yourself, your faith in people, your faith in nations and your faith in the power of Knowledge within you and within others will have to be so much stronger than it is today
Jeffrey_Boulder:  “Knowledge has no preferences beyond the great truth it is here to serve.” Ch. 9, TGWC
Mikme_LF_CAL:  Hello everyone, just made it.
Raoul_Australia:  Hi Manuel, Hardev, hello all!
David_Drimmel:  Thanks Ray, yes. This confirms what I’ve been feeling as seeing all along. Tribulation.
Jorge_Spain:  “You must face the Great Waves of change; you must face the Greater Community—not with preference and not with fear, but with strength and objectivity. And you must gain this strength and this objectivity, which Knowledge within you will give you, for it is not afraid. Knowledge has no preferences beyond the great truth it is here to serve.”
Shrimayi Netherlands:  The whole Revelation has a deep impact on me. A former teacher back in 1999 told us students before he left this world,about this was going to happen and said we had to go on with our inner work to become strong for these times. At that time it struck me deeply and frightened me at the same time, after a few years of doing my inner work, I forgot, till I found the NM teachings end of 2013 and read the first book “The Great Waves of Change.”Then I knew I had to go on to prepare, and started with the Steps immediatly after reading. “The New Message is here to prepare you, but to prepare you, it first must warn you. If you do not see the gravity of the problem, you will not recognize the significance of the solution. If you do not see that you really do not have an answer for all of these things, then you will not be in a position to accept the…
Shrimayi Netherlands:  … grace and the power that God is providing the world. If you will not accept the reality, then you will not recognize the remedy.”
Matt_bzn:  @Dariel – thank you Dariel. No doubt in my mind GW related. The variability and sudden changes in the weather are really noticeable..
Bruce in Cape Cod:  Good morning! I was struck that we’ll need to lose the majority of the current population…
Martin_Australia:  Hi Manuel and Hardev
ray_Colorado:  Robert_Society: “And beyond this, you have the hidden threat of intervention and competition from the Greater Community, the Universe. There is already an Intervention in the world, positioning itself to assume the reins of power, to present itself as the savior of humanity and to establish its networks of support and its legion of human representatives. This Intervention is seeking to influence public opinion, to position itself as the noble saviors of humanity and in some cases even as the parents of humanity in order to weave its tentacles into the human fabric. The Intervention is creating a hybrid individual capable of advising and eventually leading the human family, an individual with no human allegiance whatsoever, an individual with no compassion, respect or empathy for humanity.” The Great Waves Prophecy http://www.newmessage….phecy
Richmond_UK:  @Robert what impacted me was this quote, “Human ingenuity and human cooperation will determine whether humanity will have a future and whether human civilization can survive and can build a new foundation of unity and cooperation.” The word survive and the implication that human civilisation may not survive. Very sobering and speaks to the immense gravity of the situation we are all facing.
Jennie_Netherlands:  This sentence impacted me most. “The human population will have to become much smaller in the future, hopefully by human will and through compassionate means. If not, then nature will devastate the human population—nature, conflict and war. You will have a smaller world to live in. Perhaps only a billion people could live here, maybe two, but not much more. Although I have read this before and hear this is also something that the so called NWO wants to happen, it is mindblowing if you realise this is really going to take place. Who will survive…… and how….
Mikme_LF_CAL:  Among MANY points this revelation presents that impacted me this one is very sobering. “The human population will have to become much smaller in the future, hopefully by human will and through compassionate means. If not, then nature will devastate the human population—nature, conflict and war.
You will have a smaller world to live in. Perhaps only a billion people could live here, maybe two, but not much more. That is with your advanced technology and your best efforts, a strong international community, tremendous cooperation and the mitigation and the limiting of conflict and war. In other words, if everything is done well and correctly, with immense human contribution, you will still have to have a small world population. If these actions are not taken, if humanity will not and cannot prepare, if it cannot restrain its own greed, corruption and competition with one another, then the results will be far worse, so much worse that words cannot describe it—a collapse of civilization, an…
Mikme_LF_CAL:  … immense reduction of the human population, further devastating the world and depleting its resources.”
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Ray, that I took notice of that part also
Jeffrey_Boulder:  and this stood out for me, starkly: “If you do not accept this, if you cannot accept this, if this is too much for you, if you think it is untrue, then you are ignorant and weak. This is the Revelation. Ignore it at your own risk. For even God will not save you if you do not honor and pay heed to God’s warnings.”
nenette_istanbul:  The beauty of being a student of NM, we are blessed & alerted: ”Therefore, you cannot escape the Great Waves of change. But you can minimize their damaging effects, and you can benefit from them in many ways—setting a new course for humanity, building a stronger international community of people advancing technology, advancing social justice and advancing human welfare. But it will not be easy. It in fact will be the most difficult thing humanity has ever attempted. It will take great commitment, great courage, great faith, great cooperation and great personal restraint. ”

Frederick_UK:  What impacted me was: From Page 131 fifth paragraph down continuing onto Page 132 down to the bottom of the page.

This is a great reckoning when humanity will have to either grow up and unite or fail and be overtaken by others. If you do not accept this, if you cannot accept this, if this is too much for you, if you think it is untrue, then you are ignorant and weak. This is the Revelation. Ignore it at your own risk. For even God will not save you if you do not honor and pay heed to Gods warning.
( Comment )
Does this mean, if the greater parts of humanity pull together and honor Gods warning, God may do something else for humanity? Or does it mean something else?

Countless times have emerging races such as your own been overtaken by resource explorers and economic collectives—those who search for opportunities such as this, those who are opportunistic, those who can gain control over worlds like this without firing a shot.
You are entering a much…

Frederick_UK:  … more sophisticated and powerful environment in the Greater Community where outright war is rare, but where deception and the attempt to control are immense.

( Jumped the next paragraph to its following paragraph )

The picture is actually very clear. It is not complex. If you fail to take care of this place, others from the Universe will come and displace you. They will not destroy you. They will simply harness you and use you, the way you use cattle, the way humanity has used slaves. It is not a complex situation.
Even your children could understand it. It has happened throughout nature and throughout the Greater Community since time began, since the Separation from God began.

Mikme_LF_CAL:  @Amina_Russia, that phrase struck me as well!!!!
Jorge_Spain:  “Will you fight and struggle for what you want, to hold onto what you have, or will you unite with others to provide a greater stability in your communities, in your towns, your cities and your nations? […] Will you remain foolish and ignorant, like the adolescent, unwilling to face reality, unwilling to face the responsibility, unwilling to serve anyone but yourself? These are the questions. This is the challenge.”
Bethne_UK:  @ Bruce me too- staggered at the huge loss of life – in the billions!
ray_Colorado:  ” … do not think that you can go out into space and claim what you have destroyed or overused here on Earth. You would have great difficulty finding these resources, and even if you could eventually find them, you would find that they are owned by others—others who are far more powerful than you are.” The Great Waves Prophecy
Mathieu_France:  @Robert: that one is quite a sobering vision. 1 or 2 billions remaining inhabitants on Earth—if we do well, which we are not yet… that gives the measure of the GWC impact on humanity. Hard to completely grasp. Sometimes I look on the street and try to imagine them with only 1 person over 6 or 7 surviving, or all the houses empty, almost. It’s hard to fully picture it. And I don’t see any population control wise plan taking place anywhere,so I guess most of these 6 or 7 billions people will be loss in the middle of the GW….
Hardev_Australia:  5 areas that stood out for me in The Great Waves Prophecy.
1. Local food production and local manufacturing will become ever more important. Everything will have to function on a smaller scale.
2. Reduction of human population
3. Faith in self, people, nations and the power of Knowledge within me and others.
4. The ability to enjoy life at the moment and prepare for the future.
5 The intervention is the great unrecognized risk, the background to the Great Waves of Change, the hidden threat to humanity.
Matt_bzn:  Frederick, that section hit me as well
Shirley-Boulder:  @ Therese Glad to see you here with no electricity.
ray_Colorado:  “Nature is unmerciful to the unprepared. ” The Great Waves Prophecy
Mikme_LF_CAL:  @Frederick_UK, that struck me HARD as well “…Countless times have emerging races such as your own been overtaken by resource explorers and economic collectives—those who search for opportunities such as this…”
Jeanne_Boulder:  Thanks Jorge I like that also
Cameron_Canada:  I can imagine some pretty bad stuff so the last few words in this quote really got my attention…”At present, humanity is a weak and divided steward of a beautiful planet that is highly prized by others. How will you protect it? How will you defend it? How will you maintain its wealth and its diversity of life? If you squander it, you will lose it, and the costs will be beyond your imagination. If you fall under foreign persuasion, it will create a set of circumstances far worse than anything you could imagine.”
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @ray – maybe so, but also responsive to those in touch with her.
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  or take her seriously.
Frederick_UK:  @ Jeffrey. Yes, this hit the depths of my heart when I first read the GWG also.
Raoul_Australia:  That is a very sobering GWC Chapter. What struck me overall is that it talks about how humanity may or, if it fails, may not have a future.
Carol_Society:  @Jorge: Yes, in reviewing Ch 9 for the Musts and Must-Nots, many are contained in this series questions.
59096:  I have never understood why it is so taboo to talk about population control. why it is off-limits to discus a law allowing only 2 kids per family. at this point it is unethical not to reign in population growth.
57316:  trouble scrolling posts
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  It seems challenging to get people to recognize the value of where we are. That it requires protecting at all.
Dariel_Boulder:  @Amina…You present something very impactful here, “The situation is far more serious…and will require from you a greater strength than you think you have, but which in reality you do have.” As the GWC break I wonder at my own capacity to deal with what they bring. Am I strong enough with KN to help others, be there for others who have lost everything. I am so grateful to know, “…but which in reality you do have.” May the strength of KN within each of us guide us to the work we need to do.
Carol_Society:  @Cameron: “beyond your imagination.” I was struck by this repeated description of the future: “beyond anything you can possibly imagine”… “costs will be beyond your imagination”… “unimaginable”… “worse than anything you could imagine”… “a scale never seen before”
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @59096 – Education is the best “planning” tool. Educated girls tend to choose to do something other than more breeding.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Amen Dariel! Thank you!
Chrysostomos:  Hello everybody. Nice to meet u again
Jorge_Spain:  Yes, @59096 (taboo about population control)
Douglas_St. Paul:  @59096, because people say to the population control talker-abouters, “You first, you %#$%#$” Also, can you change to your name and location?
Mathieu_France:  @Aurora: good point.
Amina Russia:  Dariel, Amen!
Bruce in Cape Cod:  @59096. It has to do with “You go first”, who controls it, and an economy in the world built on perpetual growth…
Paul_MA:  “The risk of war itself will produce conflict on a scale never seen before….”..” There will be tremendously destructive weather events….” Marshall had mentioned in a previous message… “The Pacific Ocean will die (para-phrase)…” .. So much of what has been said in the NM Prophecy has come true, or is happening at this time… this leads one to look at many of the prophecies that have not yet occurred…one of which said the seas will rise 100- 200 ft or more… Now is the time to build your Arks.
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  I know my siblings had my quota of children. lol
manuel germany :):  We have to start to become responsible and behave like a mature race to maintain our freedom, as one of the conditions of that is being self-sufficient… “If you fail to take care of this place, others from the Universe will come and displace you. ” At the moment we are destroying the environment and the foundation of our freedom. This consciousness have to grow on a collective, planetary level, but not because this is an idealistic view, no, because this is necessary for our survival. We also have to become united and stop all violent conflicts and sit together on a table to solve the earthly problems. We can do it. We have to do it. It is a necessity.
Mike_LF_CAL:  When one steps back and try’s to take in the Enormity of the impact the GWC will have on human society as a whole “… like nothing humanity as ever seen before…” the only saving grace is the work MVS and the Society and the WWC now and into the future are doing that will have a meaningful impact on the outcome… we must keep taking the steps no matter what!
Shrimayi Netherlands:  Yet even the best human efforts will not prevent the massive change and disruptions that will occur. But human ingenuity and human cooperation will determine whether humanity will have a future and whether human civilization can survive and can build a new foundation of unity and cooperation.
Dariel_Boulder:  @Jeffrey… No mincing of words. ” This is the Revelation. Ignore it at your own risk.” This is aimed most especially at us as first responders. How much has been given and where am I in my preparation?
Shawn_Moose Jaw:  @Hardev- excellent list, these things stood out for me as well, especially the fact that things will have to be done at a local level and on a smaller scale. It gives a “tone” to what the future may feel like.
ray_Colorado:  “So the mystery of this has now been covered up by lies and deception. People have been encouraged to believe fantastic things about the alien presence in the world, thinking that it is a fantasy or that it represents some kind of wonderful story from the past. It is now so veiled in half-truths and deception, in ridicule and in fantasy, that even those people who have recognized a foreign presence in the world cannot think clearly about it. It has been so confused, so muddled, so turned and so changed. Certain people have even been encouraged by the governments to tell fantastic and wild stories, to create discredit upon anyone who might seek to present anything true or real or to attempt to generate an honest conversation, a public conversation, a public debate, a public awareness. Into the world at this time when the Great Waves are beginning to emerge have come other forces—competitors from the Universe. They come not with weapons. They come not with an armada of vessels. They come…
ray_Colorado:  … with the power of persuasion and deception. Their technology is advanced, but what they rely upon is their ability to influence the minds of those who live here.” GWC.10 The Great Waves and the Hidden Reality of Contact http://www.newmessage….ntact
Douglas_St. Paul:  China’s “one-child policy” has been called a “four-grandparent policy.” Hasn’t been too good for girls, either
Tonia _Denmark:  The words about poverty struck me the most. That is what worries me the most.
Carol_Society:  @ Paul, Hardev: Using Reed’s “light-box” method, I took the recent weather events and held them up to the “light-box” of this revelation of 28+ prophecies, many being realized around the world: “tremendously destructive weather events”… “regions devastated”… “flooding” “environmenal migrations”…denial, Knowledge…“human bravery and courage”… “human ingenuity and cooperation” – Recent hurricanes in the US: How did people respond before the event? Denial? Knowledge? “Oh, I survived Andrew. I’ll survive this one. I’m staying put.” Woman preparing to leave the Florida Keys: “I stayed the last time, but I know I cannot stay this time!” The displacements/migrations – to hotels, to shelter centers, to other cities that became unsafe as well. For most, temporary; for others, permanent…loss of homes, and as one woman in a shelter said: “There’s no where else I can go now…no family, no friends…” Seeing how others responded after? What did they learn? Having several close family…
Carol_Society:  … members, as well as fellow students in FL, what was MY reaction/response? Fear. Hope. Knowledge? What did I observe and learn? What do I still need to do to prepare?
Joyanne_Canada:  This chapter is daunting, yet it gives us a reality that we need to prepare for. Yet if you look at the world with clear eyes you can see this prophecy being fulfilled. This greater education is a preparation for the world.. You cannot stop this evolution you can only navigate it by being prepared. I am grateful for the New Message and the GWC.
Lin_Boulder:  @59096, even in China, some are arguing about the negative impact of the past one-child policy, said this is aggrevating the aging issue and support burden. most people still think of personal right and benefits, not yet seeing population burden to the Earth.
Hardev_Australia:  @Shawn_Moose Jaw, Yes, local food production and manufacture gives a good sense of directing in making a contribution and for preparation.
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  True @Douglas. I am a fan of free will – hence my education focus.
Robert_Society:  As you are all saying, this chapter and the prophecy it contains is very sobering and deserves extended contemplation to help integrate this into our awareness. Initial reactions to consequences like this must be experienced and then allowed to pass… to bring us to a more mature understanding and ability to be objective here. This is where Knowledge is important and our studenthood is important. We need clear eyes to see and real actions that are in keeping with the great coordination that Knowledge provides for us to deal with these growing threats.
Russell@Sask:  Our family relatives got out of ST Martins but they will remember what they experienced but unsure if they really felt the deeper signs.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  It really comes down to living in a world which is strong in Knowledge and a world without Knowledge. We are in a world living without Knowledge. Now the STK are here for us all. How many will choose its path and become strong in K. Time will tell. More and more are coming to an awareness of this great truth. We the 1st responders are here to help bring Knowledge into the world and demonstrate its greatness, its strength and its love through demonstration of service, contribution , compassion, tolerance and forgiveness. All these things with humility yet strength. This is why we are here and becoming strong in Knowledge is what we must work to find and achieve.
Shrimayi Netherlands:  @yes Jorge this stood out for me too Will you fight and struggle for what you want, to hold onto what you have, or will you unite with others to provide a greater stability in your communities, in your towns, your cities and your nations? […] Will you remain foolish and ignorant, like the adolescent, unwilling to face reality, unwilling to face the responsibility, unwilling to serve anyone but yourself? These are the questions. This is the challenge.”(5:10PM)
Maurice_Canada:  The impact that everything in nature is dying or diminishing isn’t seen by people who live in the big cities but as a former fishing and hunting guide when I go out into the Canadian wilderness I could be out there all day and it will be rare that I will see the abundance of wildlife and edible plants I once swa ten years ago
Damien_France:  Regarding the concern for human population, the Allies say that should the Intervention establish itself here, they themselves will choose how many of us will remain – as we do with our cattle. And this will be done through human abduction, using us as resources to trade in the GC…
Chrysostomos:  Yesterday thinking of the today’s lesson , it came to my mind that this important message that has been given through our Messenger , it may be vulnerable since Aliens are already aware of the NM. What else can we do to secure the electronic integrity of the NM? Today computers are not safe.
Bethne_UK:  Agree Shawn” sets the tone” working with fewer numbers and working together locally
Douglas_St. Paul:  Many science fiction books have considered government restrictions of having children, having a lottery, having policies like China has had, etc.
Thérèse:  Thanks Shirley, @ my daughters house. Missed the contact, so it was important for me to reconnect today!!!
Russell@Sask:  @Chrysostomos that’s why a hard copy of the message is worth the contribution.
Debbie_MI:  What struck me was the following: “This is so different from the fantasies and the imagination of human societies today—building ever-grander cities, building ever-faster conveyances, building ever more remarkable personal conveniences and luxuries. Such foolishness. So blind. So reckless. So ignorant and so unintelligent. These forces are pushing humanity further and further towards the edge of collapse, pushing humanity to overuse the world even more—heedless of the signs that many thresholds have already been passed.” Recently, I received a long email from someone I know that described the future of humanity as being full of abundance and only advancement. It is sad that so many people think like this and are either unable or unwilling to face the reality of the situation.
Jorge_Spain:  Resonating, @Carol
57316:  Humans of late only seem to respond to disaster, the whole planet will get behind these initiatives only when disaster strikes on a global scale. When will we grow up and start managing the planet responsibly.
Virgie_near Seattle:  @59096, re: taboo on talking about legislated population control: as someone who comes from a big family by American standards (six kids) I have long been deeply disturbed by the idea of such legislation. I think my mother had a special calling in life to raise a large family. The freedom to choose one’s family size could be very important for certain individuals to pursue their higher purpose. That said, I understand the pressures that could, perhaps, override the need for such freedom. But I find it helpful here to remember that the Revelation teaches us not to be too quick to advocate for certain solutions to problems–need to consider things in great depth before coming to conclusions …
Hardev_Australia:  @ Carol_Society, thank you. So much to learn and to prepare.
Jeanne_Boulder:  “If you respond to the Greater Community just with fear and anxiety, you will not be in a position to know. Yet if you respond to the Greater Community with unbounded optimism—thinking that everything will work out fine, it is just a process, God is in charge of everything, I just have to play my part, and it will all be fine—you will not be able to know, and you will not be able to prepare.
Instead, you must take the middle ground. Fear and hope have their own attractions, but they both have grave liabilities. The man or woman of Knowledge does not indulge themselves in either but takes the middle ground so that they can see clearly. They find the balancing point within themselves. They stand over the fulcrum of balance, and they look, and they discern.
Look around you. You will see that people are vacillating between unbounded enthusiasm and complete anxiety. They go from one extreme to the other. They do not know how to find the middle ground.”
Wendy, NY:  Thank you for this perspective Robert. I feel one of the great contributions of the NM is that we are given an opportunity to take in a sobering reality, to reflect, react, be in community around absorbing implications and right action. Time is definitely needed to absorb. Exposure in itself creates waves.
Will_Society:  @Chrysostomos Thank you for carrying this concern with us. The Society will be keepers of the authentic New Message from God, so that if others alter it and put forward adaptations, people will be able to come to the Society for the original and intact New Message from God.
ray_Colorado:  “Interventions such as you are facing now will continue because you are a weak and divided race living on a beautiful planet. This will draw others here to attempt, primarily through persuasion and guile, to influence humanity to unite with them, to become dependent upon them and to trust in them. These persuasions will not cease even if this Intervention is thwarted. It is like the young girl entering the big city, thinking that everyone will be her friend, not having an idea of how she could be preyed upon and taken advantage of, and all of the myriad persuasions that can be placed upon her to acquiesce, to give herself over. This is the complexity and challenge of living in physical reality. …. ” GWC.10 The Great Waves and the Hidden Reality of Contact
MaryL_Boulder:  @Hardev et al when I hear ‘population reduction” I feel the Great Waves will do that for us as it is already doing that with each climate disaster, war & conflict and food shortages. But it is something that the remaining human populaton must consider if we get to exercise our freedom to decide or choose. The words “harness”, “cattle”, “slaves” paints a different picture of human civilization under the harsh conditions of Intervention.

cray boulder:  This & the part about great medical care & mediiciine shortages impacted me RB: “It will take great commitment, great courage, great faith, great cooperation and great personal restraint.

It will require a New Message from God to provide the clarity, wisdom and Knowledge that humanity will need now if it is to capitalize on its strengths and avoid capitulating to its weaknesses.

…People will live locally, work locally and will have to survive locally. Local food production and local manufacturing will become ever more important. Everything will have to function on a smaller scale.

Those who have resources will have to share them by sending them abroad to starving peoples and to areas of the world that are in great crisis. The humanitarian effort will be immense, almost unimaginable by today’s standards.” – from http://www.newmessage….phecy

Mathieu_France:  @Chrys: paper books and paper copies of revelations are important, and will likely become more important in the future if access to the internet/power becomes less reliable. But in the meantime ebooks are good too. thousands of people having ebooks copies on their devices give some resilience to the Message, even in the eventuality where the websites themselves were attacked of taken offline…
Cameron_Canada:  Are hard copies of the NM available?
cray boulder:  Sobering and strong. In the face of this GWC prophecy: What is the truth? What must I do?
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  TY Virgie -well said.
Kari_H_Finland:  The Chapter The Great Waves Prophecy gives a very dire picture of what is going to happen. This picture is so dire that people without Knowledge are not able to face it. Even the open minded people are not able to face this reality. I talked over the telephone about the GWC to a young open-minded woman until and she resisted these ideas by saying that I am just painting a fearful picture of the future. Then we finished the telephone call. After a while she rang me back and said to me: “Why do I feel very uncomfortable with you now? I have not felt this uncomfortable for a while.”
Greg_UK:  @Virgie yes I agree, it is unwise to interfere in gods plan for others lives, it makes a dangerous assumption.
Jennie_Netherlands:  It will be like in nature: only the Strong will survive
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Carol, all you said there is deeply resonating with me. I can tell you that Kristina_FL left the state & returned recently and she fared well but cannot attend the chat today. Julie from Fl stayed and fared well but there are other students living in FL I know not of how they fared. We need to start building a network of support first amongst the WWC and spread out to local communities, etc. .etc. these things are spoken of in TNM.
57316:  @Jeanne the message is not so about the optimistic side its seems pretty fear based. But ten I have not ready all of the message yet.
justin-calif-!:  Because ALL of our electronic communications are being recorded and monitored- I realize that for now, there are still humans in the loop- I often give a prod- telling the human to check out the NM and Allies sights- and that they are in the same boat as we all are-
Raoul_Australia:  A passage from The Global Emergency often comes to my mind: “Do not think it is exaggerated in any way, for We are not even telling you everything.”
Douglas_St. Paul:  I must prepare to be able to do quite a few things I hadn’t previously considered.
Jansett_KY:  Great quote, Jeanne, and an important caution about “thinking we know.”
Chrysostomos:  @ Mathieu @Will that was my suggestion. Hard copies are the best for preservation but also we can have soft copies in some secure areas off the grid.
Maureen_Boulder:  @Cameron We have a bookstore. www.newknowledgelibrary.com Also what is on the New Message site can be printed out by anyone.
Tonia _Denmark:  I agree many things are deeply concerning, but the inability to move anywhere, if needed or inability to start saving, or provide for oneself or children….would be a very difficult thing to sit with, as this would be the reason for the minimizing population……I think, not knowing what is coming over the horizon and not move into preparation and start saving or building the sustainable life ahead, would have a, what I call the “pan cake effect” on me…..or if watching others in that situation……. it is difficult to smile when the neighbour is crying.
Adria_Poland:  @Amina @Dariel – thank you for this quote. We might feel apprehension in the face of the GW, population redution, conflict and tough living conditions, but Knowledgeis here and has the strength to face it all. To prepare now, in our comfort conditions, is a great gift… I often strongly feel about thinking of our (humanity’s) responsibility to preserve gifts of humanity – the New Message, the inventions, the literary knowledge, science achievements, wisdom about plant and animal life, and so on.
Kristina_Boulder:  @Mathieu, I did not think about that: “…even in the eventuality where the websites themselves were attacked of taken offline…”, but thats a possibility and the easiest way to negatively impact organization. Internet control, like in North Korea or Ukraine.
Bethne_UK:  I’d like to acknowledge a small group in the UK advocating with a stall at a UFO conference in York right now! today and tomorrow.Thank you LaRae. Joe and Rosa.
Jeffrey_Boulder:  Hear, here, Bethne!
SangHyun_CA_Korea:  @justin, good idea.
Debbie_MI:  @Bethane-Thanks for sharing that.
Maureen_Boulder:  @ Bethne The dedication of the UK group is commendable. Spread the words far and wide!
Debbie_MI:  @Bethne-sorry about mispelling your name.
Dariel_Boulder:  @Shrimayi and Jorge… What you bring up, “Will you fight and struggle…” reminds me of the words of the Messenger in the broadcast after the 2016 election in the U.S. “In the face of tremendous change and uncertainty, a great decision…Do we separate and divide and blame others OR Do we find ways to cooperate and unite? This is the decision and it is not a done deal yet. But enough people in the world have to choose the former and avoid the latter.”
Adria_Poland:  @Douglas – “I must prepare to be able to do quite a few things I hadn’t previously considered.” – and be without doing some we might have grown used to.
Hardev_Australia:  @MaryL_Boulder, Yes, the GW will contribute population reduction. How do we plan/survive over the next 5 generations or even the next 2 generations?
Alexandra_NL:  Thank you Bethne for reminding us of the current efforts on the ground carried out by our comrades! 
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @Jeanne – middle path is a good way to put it; I’d learned in previous training “be neither for, nor against” in order to forge a new path, in between.
Raoul_Australia:  @Bethne, Yes! Thank you for sharing that – thinking of them with gratitude
Frederick_UK:  @ Bethne, Great to give a shout for those giving in not to clement conditions.
Jennie_Netherlands:  “For you must be centered in a crashing world. You must be strong. You must be purposeful. You must know where to give yourself and where to hold yourself back. You must be certain about who to be with and who not to be with despite any other possible attraction or intrigue that has gained control of your mind, which is running wild. It is chaotic, full of grievance and fear and fantasy.
It [your mind] is meant to be a servant to the deeper Knowledge within you, which represents your true Self. But it is out of control. It is harming you. It is leading you astray. It is pulled every which way by the world around you, and indeed it will be terrified by what is to come if Knowledge is not its guide and counsel.” From The New World: being centered in a crashing world.
MVS Society:  “One of the first requirements here is that you cannot want anything from the situation (Intervention).”
WISDOM FROM THE GREATER COMMUNITY: VOLUME II: Discernment:
Mathieu_France:  @Kristina: yes, this global communication system is our asset to reach the world for now, but might become more fragile in the future, because of direct attacks, which is always a possibility, but also simple power failure, loss of communication between servers and some countries… Likely if the Waves hit so hard as it is expected to, our global communications will suffer from it, which is a sad perspective..
Joyanne_Canada:  Preserving the Revelations in mp3 format I find is important also.. this way I can easily carry all the NM. Even if we don’t have internet others can hear the Voice of Revelation via a tablet, MP3 player.. We may not be able to carry all the books if we have to be on the move. It is good to look at the ways that we can have the NM in hand, and on hand.
Kelvin_Boulder:  @57316, so I heard from another many years ago when I gave them the GW Book. But then the is no fluff here, it is straight to the point, it is up to us to build capacity to see and act.
Jeanne_Boulder:  Thanks MVS WISDOM FROM THE GREATER COMMUNITY: VOLUME II: Discernment
Reed_Society:  @Frederick, thank you for sharing that specific passage, it says to me that the New Message is, in part, an angelic call to a native people at risk for being overtaken by intervening forces, a native people poised to loosing everything—their land, their livelihood, their freedom, it reminds me of the native peoples of North America, of Mexico, of Tibet, and so many others, everything was as it had always been, and then one year, one week, one day, it all began to change, and change quickly. Now it is an angelic mission to wake a native world, a world being quietly taken over. The natives must be roused to see what is happening, and to speak our voice, to exert our will for our planet, our race and all that we hold dear. If the rousing happens at the level of Knowledge, it will be powerful and unstoppable.
57316:  I think a big part of society not preparing for global disaster is the past predictions of apocalypse. We’ve heard it all before in every century and generation and it is crying wolf too many times. We as a world have become apathetic to the danger.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Raoul_Australia”…Do not think it is exaggerated in any way, for We are not even telling you everything.” YES (unfortunately) NO @$%&!!!! Can’t even begin to imagine what the AA LEFT OUT! !!
Samantha_SA:  What struck me was the realization that things are not always as they seem, upon reading this extract and all the devastating effects the GWC will render, my first response was to try and ignore what I was reading, go into a state of denial… But then I realized that while this is going to be a devastating time, it also is a time of great promise. “You do not yet see that to prepare for the Great Waves of Change is the pathway that will redeem you to yourself and to God. This will make you strong, compassionate, competent and wise – wiser than you are today. It will give you an escape from your unhappy past and unfortunate circumstances to a new life – a life of purpose, meaning and contribution”. This prophecy strengthened my desire for Knowledge, and it highlighted that in truly facing the world, I have started to witness my own courage… In opening my eyes to what is happening in the world, and in my own community, I began to see things differently. I started to see the…
Samantha_SA:  … opportunities it is providing for people to give and how it can bring people together. The NM has brought me in contact with such amazing people from all walks of life, this has been a blessing for me and my life.
manuel germany :):  @Maurice. Exactly, thanks for sharing your experiences regarding the impact of humanity on nature. Fully agree. Many ecologists and scientists are aware of that, but most of the people are not. That is one part of the problem being humanity not responsible of taking care of mother Earth (irresponsible) and the other problem is that we are not aware about the Extraterrestrial Invasion which is happening right now. Thus, because of the first problem, the second problem is here… We have to become mature and restore the environment (we can do it) to become self-sufficient (at the moment we are not) and we have to unite and to prepare us in the Way of Knowledge of the Greater Community to face the threats of the GC… That will unite eventually the world…
Robert_Society:  This stood out as well for me…”This is the time for humanity to unite and to become strong. The incentive for this is immense. The possibility for failure is great. This is your chance to rise or to fall, to become great, united and free in the Universe or to diminish yourselves here on Earth and fall under subjugation to foreign powers. This represents the great threshold for humanity, the great opportunity for humanity and the great challenge for humanity.” from The Great Waves Prophecy. “THIS IS THE TIME” …I don’t know how much simpler and clearer it needs to be. As the NM tells us, every day is important, every month, every year is important now. Do not waste these.
Alex Nz:  i think backing up NM audio and Texts is a must, another idea, CD/dvd’s because harddrives can fail,
Joyanne_Canada:  @Jennie, thanks for the post. Its important to Be Centered in this crashing world. I find that revelation reassuring especially in light of the GWC Prophecy.. it gives me a feeling of can do, we can prepare and be centered even though the GWC are striking everywhere
Douglas_St. Paul:  @Adria – Indeed yes! The apostle Paul wrote, “I know how to be abased (not have much), I know how to abound (have stuff)”
Russell@Sask:  I still think the last act in a dying race is to retaliate to its aggressors. If I was an alien I would be very concerned about that. If its one thing humans are good at it is hunkering down and fighting to the death. Look at all our examples shown in war. ET be Afraid, be very Afraid Humanity is coming for you and they are a vicious bunch with a score to settle. A few even have a home cooked recipe for Alien Stew.
Alex Nz:  just be carefull with the disc’s
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  Awesome Samantha!
Shawn_Ottawa:  @Mike_LF_CAL Whatever it is that was left out, whatever challenges spoken and unspoken, Knowledge can and will guide us through it, therein lies our hope, our promise as a civilization
Debbie_MI:  @Raoul and Mike-yes it is sobering and scary that “we are not even telling you everything.”
Alison_Boulder:  “It will be an immense and traumatic set of events.” – An obvious statement, but what a rippling effect to consider with each wave. People will be needed and called out to support unexpected effects of desperation. In trauma, people may become immobile and frozen, where others who have constructed even just a little foundation must step up to assist or take over for. The GWs cause more effects than I have considered. Stagnant water and disease, garbage pile up…fire smoke into children’s lungs, disrupting education and health, food production slowed or stopped.. may this demonstrate to more and more people that no one is untouched by these events.
Reed_Society:  @Mathieu, yes it is hard to imagine a human population 1/6th of its current level considering the enormous cities, existing infrastructure of the Earth. But then I think about 100+ feet of sea level rise, and can see many of those cities and much infrastructure literally disappearing from the surface of the Earth, disappearing under the sea. That is a New World Vision in itself. Without the coasts as we know them today, what would our concept of a nation, a continent be? Something very new.
Dariel_Boulder:  @Adria…about the ‘former’ and the ‘latter’–you know what I mean. 
Frederick_UK:  @ Reed. Thank you so much, I often wonder, How do you prepare for something you do not Know Or understand. We will have to live for the moment planning for the future and helping where and when we can.
Mark_Boulder:  @Samantha – yes the GWC are the promise for our redemption as a race and individually. We are in for a shock, a shock that can rouse us out of our slumber and comfortable existence. Preparation and strength are called for: “…strength always arises in facing reality, not in running away from it.” Who can face this terrible future without running away from it or crumbling under the pressure?
Raoul_Australia:  @Mike, “Can’t even begin to imagine what the AA LEFT OUT! !!” exactly my thought too
57316:  Disasters seem to be localized and we just can’t get motivated to do anything globally, we can’t seem to come together. I think it will take a pretty big disaster or outside threat to get the world on board.
Tom_SanFrancisco:  yeah russell, but consider the control of the mental environment. the great human warrior loses interest, or even forgets what it was he was going to do, who he was going to attack.
Paul_MA:  Humanity has created a world that can only be changed by forces greater than itself….. Forces of Kg and forces of Nature will help humanity move to a better path.
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  As a backup to internet Ham Radio – the Salvation Army and others have systems that are slower, but connecting…
Douglas_St. Paul:  Anyone who can purify water will have a lot of friends.
Mike_LF_CAL:  Just something I’ve been pondering… Harvery, Imra, Jose, Katia, Max(?- Mexico), 8.1 earthquake Ecuador (I think it was), fires in CA, I think Canada as well, extensive flooding in the eastern pacific region oh and the sun popped off a couple of CME’s … I think that qualifies as Great Waves of Change!!!!
Greg_UK:  @Reed there is a map circulating on the internet known as the Navy Map which allegedly shows the projected safe zones which navy vets are directed to retire to.
Joyanne_Canada:  @57316, out of necessity Humanity can unite and cooperate– we have this ability–example is the hurricanes.. people helping people, putting aside our differences, personal preferences, agendas to work together.. It will be out of necessity that we unite and cooperate..
Dariel_Boulder:  @Adria…Yes, I feel great sadness when I hear of areas bombed in oblivion for the great loss of culture and all the lovely benefits that civilization has brought to humanity. I am grateful that the AA brings this loss to our attention. It is such a great loss and not considered at all when nations go to war.
Tonia _Denmark:  Spreading the word is also standing out….and it moves me to think about how difficult it is working alone…….there may be a reason for that situation….and I realize how important it is to find other students to work with……so instead I sat on a bench the other and slowly started a conversation with a young university student about the intervention and the grave situation….and he ended up shaking my hand before he left. That is what I can do. Just a little bit.
Tom_SanFrancisco:  @Greg, got a link?
Alex Nz:  i think the need for preparation struck me the most in this text, and ofcourse that its gonna be hard and it can be lost or one, and the huge loss of life that is going to be seen, never seen before events…..enough said but preparation for me coz im a procrastinater somtimes and i no i need to be ready to help myself and others, but everyday i try to do adleast somthing towards being prepared
Jennie_Netherlands:  The respons-ability to get the New Message out into the world becomes more potent than ever with this revelation, because the reality is that we might not be there anymore to help others, so it is important that a lot more people will start their training with the Steps to Knowledge.
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @Tonia, it matters.
Chrysostomos:  @Reed_Society are u aware of the Georgia Guidestones ?
Paul_MA:  Greg UK– I would bet that Boulder is on that map….
MVS Society:  It will take powerful change in the world to call Knowledge out of people. IF this be the case, do not regret these difficult times in which we live. For only a great need can engender real change in enough people.
Joyanne_Canada:  great advocacy Tonia, It will be at the level of the individual that the NM goes out.. from either Being a Student of the NM, or Being a Person of the NM. not sure which Revelation stated it as I listened to them back to back.. 
Alexandra_NL:  @Fredercik: What I feel has helped me greatly in my preparation, apart from inner preparation, is also exposing myself to a certain amount of need and even risk out there in the world, such as assisting orphans in their primary needs. It helps me see the difference between my romantic ideas about my role in such situation and reality…
Jangsun_Korea:  @Lin, Yes, it is the same here in Korea. The government introduce a lot of incentives to encourage to have more children because of extremely low birthrate in Korea. But fortunately, it does not work and still falling down. It is expected to fall to almost about 1.00 this year which will be a record low in the world.
Jeanne_Boulder:  Mike LF CAL, MVS said that we are at the foothill of GW
MaryL_Boulder:  The GW prophecy is difficult reading for me even though this is not the first time reading. The mind is frightened & weak. (What kind of life is this?) Its assumptions and expectations dashed with what is being said but this small part towards the end ‘You must be sober and clear, and then you can enjoy life, be in life and be secure in life. But you cannot gain pleasures away from this without jeopardizing your position, and at present, humanity’s position is in great jeopardy.” So it is possible to enjoy life, be in life and be secure in life but the simple pleasures of life cannot be a escape or denial of what is our destiny to be men and women of Knowledge.
57316:  Until the world comes together we need to be informed and ready to be the voice that can ferment discussion on who the intervention is, what they want and how we need to be left alone to solve our own problems.
ray_Colorado:  “The fact that freedom is so rare in the Greater Community indicates and illustrates in innumerable ways the fundamental dilemmas of living in physical existence and the problems of power and authority in manifest life. Those powers and authorities that are not aware of Knowledge or who do not honor the existence of Knowledge will tend to oppose it and regard it as a threat to their authority and to the stability of the nations that they govern. This again is why the pure practice in The Way of Knowledge is usually done in a clandestine manner, in secrecy, through various networks of individuals who are able to communicate with one another beyond the scrutiny of their own governments and political organizations. Here you have an immense contrast between the difficulties and restraints of mundane life and the constant presence of Unseen Forces serving a greater plan and purpose for God. This also reflects upon an understanding of how the universe works, for God has set in motion the…
ray_Colorado:  … forces of evolution and the forces of natural selection. Within this pattern, there is tremendous variability. It appears to be chaotic, but within this overall pattern, there is a natural progression towards complexity and ultimately towards Knowledge for intelligent races who have self-awareness.” Life in the Universehttp://www.newmessage….verse
Alexandra_NL:  The difference is as big as studying a book about agriculture vs working the field.
Kari_H_Finland:  @Samantha, this reminds me of how important it is to see the world from the greater vantage point, to see the world within the greater context. I was struggling with the Steps which say that the world is emerging into the Greater Community until I began to see that. For example the great migrations, mixing different cultures together, bringing people alien to each other together was for me the humanity’s preparation for the Greater Community.
Joyanne_Canada:  @Mary L, yes difficult to face, but face it we must. 
Wendy, NY:  Tonia, appreciating your sharing, we can all do just a little bit. What you did took courage.
Frederick_UK:  @ Alexandra. Yes, being in the present anteing aware of what is happening about you will be so important.
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Kari, thank you for sharing this. The end of tribalism…
Kristina_Boulder:  I can see how population reduction might happen due to people wanting to stay separated and protect their wealth. If GW events and wars will happen in several countries at the same time, where all the refugees will go? When even now it’s a problem. Thats when people will be dying in large quantities, when other countries will refuse or will be unable to help them out. Looking at the map of the world we can already predict where this will happen.
Mark_Boulder:  @Jangsun. Thanks for that info on birth rates. To me, this reflects Knowledge working at a deep level in places like Korea and Japan. People feel the need to reproduce less, beyond a conscious decision.
Chrysostomos:  @Kristina is already happening
ray_Colorado:  “In societies where Knowledge is practiced, either with official support or in a secret manner, the acknowledgment of this greater evolution is universally recognized. This acknowledgment has its own patterns and its own progress that is both tailored to the individual and that has certain basic thresholds as well. Fundamental within it is the realization that one’s true reality is not defined by one’s mental state or one’s spectrum of ideas or beliefs, that one is not one’s mind and that one is connected to a greater intelligence and a greater reality. You can begin to see here again why Knowledge is such a threat, for a person who is engaged with this reality begins to differentiate from the normal structured patterns of life and is now able to function more creatively with greater discernment.” Life in the Universe http://www.newmessage….verse
Levy_Brazil:  It strikes me that the words “Great Waves of Change” all have their individual importance/meaning. At the moment thinking about “Waves”. It definitely feels the GW really come in waves: a series of big events in a moment, after a while another series of big events, and so forth. Meanwhile “smaller” waves are always in the background.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @MVS so true with what you have said @11:41am. Thank you!
Russell@Sask:  @Kristina What about all the women I signed up to impregnate. Will I have to refund their money…Dang there goes my happy retirement planning..
Mathieu_France:  @Reed: yes. And as this will be happening to a large degree during the period of time of a human life, that will mean huge and precipitous displacements of people, as this is already happening in Bangladesh and other countries that are in the fore line of the GW. Displacements that will in themselves require a lot from everyone. The pressure will be immense, yet it will also bring to us its best hidden gift, which is human awakening to the situation. When we will finally emerge from the denial of the situation we are facing, which prevents us to respond as a whole today, people will start preparing, cooperating and uniting. And many of them will see how relevant the New Message is to the situation…
Ken_Oklahoma:  This chapter in Great Waves is revealing, shocking, sobering….it reminds us that we cannot prepare, proceed or compassionately respond and collaborate with others without Knowledge….the thousands of decisions that each of us will need to make will need to be guided by Knowledge. Now is the time to become stronger with Knowledge so I can respond now and later when the big waves are crashing.
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @ray – I think the concept that freedoms IS so rare was the biggest shock to me. I’d imagined much better from “more advanced” societies. Who knew that many races had used up all their resources and ended up stuck and struggling for their needs?
SangHyun_CA_Korea:  Yes, MaryL. It is depressing to read to the end for me too. But have to read them. It is one of the first step.
justin-calif-!:  The “Georgia Guide stones” may be some sort of legal-plausible deniability thing. If those who “keep the peace” in this sector confront the intervention on their underhanded actions after the Earth is turned into a giant factory farm- They can then say: “We told the stupid monkeys exactly what we were going to do, carved into stone for all to see, and the STILL paid no attention”-
ray_Colorado:  “A nation governed by the inspiration of Knowledge would be entirely different in essence and in emphasis, in structure and in social orientation from a society governed strictly by law and dominance. That is why there is a great difference between a nation that is free and a nation that is not free. You can see the manifestations of this within your own world between nations that have greater freedom and nations that have little or no freedom. You can see the corruptions of power. You can see the emphasis on self-perpetuation that exists in large institutions and how this has a limiting and corrupting influence upon its participants. Everything We are telling you is within the realm of your experience here in the world. For the laws of nature are the laws of nature, and the Plan and Presence of God.” Life in the Universe http://www.newmessage….verse
Jorge_Spain:  @MaryL, @Virgie, @Greg: Yes, but can we simply say: the GW will reduce population for us, and maybe we need to do nothing about it? It is a very, very difficult issue; but doing nothing will also be very, very difficult. But how could we control ourselves (our numbers) most humanely, how? Can we can left it all to “nature, conflict and war”?
Chrysostomos:  @Matthieu is already happening in Europe. Take Syria as an example.
Paul_MA:  Ken– your actions will demonstrate Kg to others.
Shirley-Boulder:  @ Samantha How true that is- finding our strength we did not know we had- a time of great promise – why we are here.
Dariel_Boulder:  @Reed…Thank you for reminding us of how quickly we can lose so much that is of value to us, ” land, their livelihood, their freedom,…” but I am particularly struck by Adria’s sadness for, “I often strongly feel about thinking of our (humanity’s) responsibility to preserve gifts of humanity – the New Message, the inventions, the literary knowledge, science achievements, wisdom about plant and animal life, and so on.” As the AA point out, the loss of civilization–and all that entails–is such a great loss and perhaps irreparable…
Joyanne_Canada:  @57316, true, yet if we look for a second we can realize the world has never been in this state before.. Yes wars, droughts, famine, here and there but nothing on the scale we have now.. Our planet no longer is capable of sustaining a large population, back then we had a more stable planet
Jos_NL:  Nice said Mathieu, thank you
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @justin I think some have paid attention but are at a loss as to what to do about it.
Wendy, NY:  @Ken and Reed from the email, thanks for the reminder that the best preparation and the best guide to action comes from Steps to Knowledge.
Alex Nz:  Douglas_St. Paul: seen this cool think on youtube to purify water water – solar distillers….
Samantha_SA:  @Kari, thank you for sharing: “I was struggling with the Steps which say that the world is emerging into the Greater Community until I began to see that. For example the great migrations, mixing different cultures together, bringing people alien to each other together was for me the humanity’s preparation for the Greater Community.”
Kari_H_Finland:  “It will take powerful change in the world to call Knowledge out of people.” Thank you Messenger for this reminder. This is important to remember.
Hardev_Australia:  @ justin-calif-!: I like your thoughts on the “Georgia Guide stones”.
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Levy observation there. What also comes to mind is to not forget that we are in the great waves already, it will not be just one big event to end all, but a steady decline.
Jansett_KY:  Can’t help but feel that the Revelation is specifically for those with eyes to see, ears to hear and heart to know. Humanity has been severely compromised for centuries by predatory forces; the mental environment reeks of pollution. It is no wonder that they go into denial or magical thinking. When I see ahead, I see the first responders awakened by Knowledge and serving a devastated humanity according to their nature and design. Which is why we must prepare, prepare, prepare so that we are ready when called.
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Levy, “Good observation..”
Alex Nz:  pass it through carbon filer after distilled cannot be beaten, look up “Distilled Water vs Filtered Water vs Bottled – “The Truth” The Journey of Water Documentary”
Mike_LF_CAL:  This one really gets my blood boiling “Intervention is creating a hybrid individual capable of advising and eventually leading the human family, an individual with no human allegiance whatsoever, an individual with no compassion, respect or empathy for humanity.”
60515:  sometimes I feel when we first introduce GWC book to people, skeptics might think why make a big deal about normal world events. I think they become confused with the title
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  It seems to me that “humanity” has as hard a head as I do… that is to say, it often takes something drastic to get my attention. Paraphrasing here ” we didn’t draw together in peaceful, idyllic times – so we’ll have to do it in tumultuous, challenging times.”
Cameron_Canada:  Here in the north we have an abundance of clean water but I wonder if it will remain that way?
Tom_SanFrancisco:  @Alex: don’t ignore that distillation removes essential minerals. best to add them back in.
Greg_UK:  The NM says that many amongst us have come to the earth at this time in order to participate in this great transition, ourselves likely among them. This requires a population increase to fulfill gods plan. I would expect the coming times will cause a natural cooling effect to the expansion as knowledge holds more people back in an effort to balance the population ethically or rather naturally.
MVS Society:  “Some people feel, “Oh, this is such a fearful way of looking at it! This is such a fearful prescription! I want to see a happy universe. I want to see a happier situation. It really isn’t going to be like that.” And We say, “It is not about love and fear. It is about seeing clearly, without preference, without denial. It is about seeing what is there and then responding appropriately.”
GREATER COMMUNITY PREPARATION: Chapter 2: The Greater Community Presence in the World
Levy_Brazil:  @Mike, as I understand this passage, it talks about a hybrid race, not 1 hybrid alone.
Mark_Boulder:  @Tonia and @Dariel – My son is studying the ancient great library of Alexandra, Egypt. That library contained incalculable knowledge and wisdom. For example, in that library was stored written evidence that the Earth revolved around the sun. That knowledge was lost and not found again for nearly 2000 years when Copernicus made the discovery. That’s the danger of a civilization going into ruin. It sets back the entire race for thousands of years. A lot is at stake for the human race in surviving these Great Waves.
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @Mike some would argue we’re already being led by such beings.
ray_Colorado:  “If you wish to discover a greater truth within yourself, you must have the available energy to participate. Knowledge is a very powerful force. It is the most powerful force. If you begin to gain access to it, you must have the strength and capacity to experience it and use it wisely. You must be very strong. You must be stable. Instability becomes dangerous, truly, when a greater capacity is being discovered. Therefore, the first step is to provide stability. Then a constructive change can occur with a minimum of risk.” (Secrets of Heaven 265)
“The second step is the recognition and the acceptance that the power of discernment and decision making exists within you. As this becomes constructively employed with a minimum of idealism, it becomes an effective force in your life. Finally, you have a real basis for decision making that is sound and reliable.” (Secrets of Heaven 266)
“The third step is the great recall of Ancient Wisdom that you possess. All that you have acquired since…
ray_Colorado:  … time began is pooled in the wellspring of your Knowledge, including all the relationships of true value that you have established. These have not been forgotten. They are a part of you.” (Secrets of Heaven 267)
“The fourth step is the integration of Knowledge into your daily affairs. This is an entirely natural process, for it is natural for you to do this. Once Knowledge is substantially integrated, it begins to provide direction. The Teachers are here to help you cultivate this.” (Secrets of Heaven 268)
Secrets of Heaven http://www.newmessage….eaven
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  Resonating @Greg
Paul_MA:  Mike– this set of hybrids will operate behind the scenes.. And our current genetic technologies will be used to develop this hybrid under the guise of producing new medicines for humanity.
Russell@Sask:  @ Alex do not count on solar energy to much it takes very little atmospheric turbulence to effect energy available. I have just installed recently a weather station which monitors Solar intensity. The theoretical max is just over 900 watts per meter squared. Even in the partial eclipse we dipped to barely 200 here. and a cloudy day barely makes even that amount. Good old school distillation process with fire and evaporation can be useful.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Levy, yes, a whole “legion” of their minions!
60515:  yes MVS. Sometimes skeptics will blame me for being gullible to this.
MVS Society:  When we are weak, we fear anything that requires us to be strong. When we are strong, we fear anything that makes us weak.
Maria_Boulder:  @ Mary L.(9:41 I also experience this difficulty with all the prophecies…my gutts, nervous system tighten… I have seen enough abject poverty and barely surviving humanity, extreme sufferingfrom a young age, such that it brings up vivid images accompanied by the feelings I have seen/felt etched on faces of children, mothers and fathers, the elderly…and have walked through a few terrors of my own…I rely on the NM words that we have a greater strength than we are aware of at this moment…and I know there have been times when it has been called out of me…i pray that our minds are so deeply grounded in KN, that fear will not speak louder than KN, and that we will be willing to risk our lives before being subjugated. It is the dark corners of fear within myself that I am attempting to bring out into the light of day, as part of my preparation.
Martin_Australia:  @Jansett, I completely agree. I see and feel the same things. Practice and prepare
Levy_Brazil:  Marshall, seems the second fear is better. Thank you for this profound wisdom.
ray_Colorado:  Levy_Brazil: “Your Spiritual Family exists in this world and in other worlds. They are not all humankind. You have a human family that raises you in the world, but you have a Spiritual Family that raises you in life. This Family is not all humankind.
You are not entirely human. You belong to a Greater Reality.
Being a human isn’t enough. You are not entirely a human being.
When you have this perspective, you will know how to serve people because you will not be trapped in their identity dilemma.” WGC1.3 http://www.newmessage….ume-1
Samantha_SA:  @MVS thank you

Patricia_Society:  I’d like to respond to Cameron’s question from earlier in the chat. @ Cameron – “When we enter stillness, what is this place called? What term would we give it to non students? It is said that we can not fully enter this place or we would not want to be in this physical world and yet when we are in this place on a more permanent basis, We want to come back to fulfill our mission here. This seems to be somewhat of a contradiction. Please explain.”

As long as the experience of being in water and in fluid environments is acceptable for some of us, an analogy that comes to mind, is that of there being “3 environments”:

1. “The Onshore Reality” which is the world, day to day life .
2. “The Offshore Reality”, which is that environment we might occupy when doing the Great Practices (ex., Stillness, Inner Listening, Seeing) either formally in seated practice or in a more active mode, as we interact with others and the world.
3. “The Deep Waters” which is the deep, deep states of…

Patricia_Society:  … stillness which may provide the basis for engagement with Knowledge and with those who sent us….

Via this analogy, we are invited to live “Offshore”, but with ready access to our life and service to the world, “Onshore,” but also to the “Deep Waters.”

The “Offshore” is the ‘middle position.”

Therefore, we go “Onshore”, we serve there. Yet we seek to return to where we live, which is “Offshore.”

The “Offshore “position also enables us to be more accessible to the relationships and reality of third environment, “The Deep Water”.

Therefore, occupying a position, just “Offshore”, which is that of greater objectivity, stillness, inner listening, seeing, this enable us to be accessible both to the “Onshore” reality and the “Deep Water” environments.

With time we may navigate all 3 positions…as we develop in service…. In a Great Waves world undergoing Intervention, it may be ever more important to get to our “Offshore” position. We need to
”know” what we are looking at and…

Patricia_Society:  … experiencing while “Onshore.” But this is not where we live. We need to be accessible to a world in need and also to our deeper resources, both to service with wisdom, but also to be replenished and to be guided….As the Messenger, Jesus, is said to have taught, “Be in the world, but not of it.” Thanks all for helping to build this Free School environment and for navigating between what we share here together and then returning back to the world…Remember, Knowledge seeks to go with us….or that to occur our relationship and experience with Knowledge must grow. This all important engagement requires it’s own environment. Be well….See you “Offshore”, on the Hourlies….
Joyanne_Canada:  @Russell, back to good old basics, learning to live without electricity, learning to be sustainable .. big learning curve. We must prepare within of all manner of changes.
ALEN INDIA:  very true sir..
Reed_Society:  @Samantha, thank you for your insight here, and this passage: “You do not yet see that to prepare for the Great Waves of Change is the pathway that will redeem you to yourself and to God.” I believe it was during the 2016 Steps Vigil that Marshall said “Bring to me that experience that will move me closer to knowledge.” This “experience” is likely not what we think it would be. It could be difficult, it could be a real challenge that finally calls us out, it is not staying in a zone of safety, a box of our own making, it is discovering the qualities and strengths we have always carried by having those qualities and strengths pulled out of us by necessity, something we must respond to. This is the gift of the Great Waves, the Intervention, the burden and mission of the Messenger — all are pressing needs we cannot really ignore, they are a calling, and something within us is responding. To regard adversity in this way – as the experience that will call out of us what we truly carry -…
Reed_Society:  … will help us regard the challenge of this time in the world, and the rocky road ahead for the Worldwide Community as we bring this Revelation to the world.
Tom_SanFrancisco:  @ mark: yes and there were many other great libraries that were destroyed: Babyon, Samarkand, etc. I once read that a horse could cross there Euphrates river by stepping on the books that were removed from the library.
Jos_NL:  Thank you Marshall. I will keep this in mind.
Dariel_Boulder:  @Alison…Thank you for the sobering perspective you have drawn from these few words. “…may this demonstrate to more and more people that no one is untouched by these events.”
Chrysostomos:  @Mark_Boulder the perimeter of earth has been measured since Eratosthenes 200BC. The Alexandreia library had put in fire by the early Christians when murdered the last female mathematician Hypatia
MaryL_Boulder:  @Jorge all, I don’t think as a student of Knowledge we are taught to do “nothing” but the practice of stillness, restraint, discernment, discretion is important. Regarding all the movements, protest, resistance in the world including pleasure seeking and wealth accumulation etc what is mine to do right now? Who am I to be with? To all the cries for help, for war or conflict, for resistance or advocacy…I feel the need to restrain myself and ask “what must I do or not do?” To be quiet enough to feel my way forward while the world goes about its business or while it is being taken pacified or its spirit being broken is not easy but to follow Knowledge I must otherwise I will lose my connection amidst the rising chaos.
Russell@Sask:  @ Alex. There might be a reason my experience includes fractional distillation process operations, electrician, machinist. Not looking forward to having to use the skills for survival so focusing on preparation still.
Jangsun_Korea:  Yes, Marshall, I feel that within myself as well.
Selma England:  My Step today: “I wish to know my own strength.” StK 44
Adria_Poland:  @Mathieu @Kristina B: about internet. We are so much strongly dependent on it, if there is even a little break in services, we are affected. Some time ago my banking account was unaccessible, nobody knew why the main serves were closed. It terrified me to nearly death. I must plan for slowly being less dependent on technological conveniences, for possesing less, being truly mobile and light. I don’t know yet how, but the reality of no or limited internet access… of the GW knocking on my doorstep… is close.
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you Reed and Samantha for, “You do not yet see that to prepare for the Great Waves of Change is the pathway that will redeem you to yourself and to God.” This would not be possible in a complacent world with few obvious problems.
Debbie_MI:  @MVS-yes, this is so very true. So many people are into this love verses fear dichotomy that they are simply unable to see the reality of the world around them and the meaning of current events. This love verses fear idea often gets applied to so many things by so many people.
Tonia _Denmark:  Sorry, ran out of power on the ipad here. Back again now.
Joyanne_Canada:  @Patricia, thank you for this greater perspective.. It will be so beneficial to have this understanding in mind..
Russell@Sask:  Top of Hour Event
Carol_Society:  It is now the HOUR once again. Please let us take a moment to be with this invocation, shared by Paul earlier, reminding us of who we are and who we are connected to, in the vast Greater Community of intelligent life:
Mavran Mavran Conay Mavran. Today’s invocation calls upon those who practice Knowledge with you in the Greater Community so that the strength of their undertaking and their great achievements may embellish all of your attempts and all of your practices as a student of Knowledge. Today’s invocation engages your mind with all minds which are engaged in the reclamation of Knowledge in the universe, for you are a citizen of a Greater Community as well as a citizen of your world.” Step 298
Shrimayi Netherlands:  @ Thank you MVS t will take powerful change in the world to call Knowledge out of people. IF this be the case, do not regret these difficult times in which we live. For only a great need can engender real change in enough people.(5:41PM)
Cole_Boulder:  @Maria – thank you for sharing your experience. What you said struck me, “It is the dark corners of fear within myself that I am attempting to bring out into the light of day, as part of my preparation.” … And what greater privilege do we have than the opportunity to do this in the context of our relationships with one another, here in this chat and beyond it? If the dark corners of fear within are born of separation, it must take a greater recognition of the truth of our relationships to shine light on them..
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @Mark – the library may have burned, but crucial books have been reputedly squirreled away at the Vatcan. It’s only the general population that the wisdom was hidden from. Those “in charge” hoarded the knowledge (and some say – use it against us).
nenette_istanbul:  Thankyou @Reed.
Alex Nz:  i think knowledge is somewhat getting through to most people, most have a strong feeling of needing to prepare for somthing, just crossed my mind
Robert_Society:  Please continue after the hour here in the Chat discussion if you wish. We thank you for all you are doing for the mission of the New Message and its Messenger. It is propelling us all forward and serves a great purpose here on earth. Let us continue on, moved by the deeper strength and courage that lives within us, and let us find those who are waiting to learn of the New Message, so they may join this effort with us. Nasi Novare Coram
Darlene_Society:  @Reed:“The natives must be roused to see what is happening, and to speak our voice, to exert our will for our planet, our race and all that we hold dear. If the rousing happens at the level of Knowledge, it will be powerful and unstoppable.” This is rousing time! Many of you have clear, passionate voices. I hear you on this Chat. Take those voices and do what really matters. Talk to people. Advocate. Many of you are doing just that. Perhaps our time now is not to contemplate the population control or scenarios of the future, what the AA hasn’t told us, or the exact consequences of the global emergency but to find our individual VOICE and use our VOICES NOW, to speak for the Revelation and the Messenger and Steps. What makes your “blood boil” (MikeLF) or gives you strength? No more philosophical discussions, fears or preferences, but seeing and knowing and acting to wake up humanity according to our strongest inclinations. We must ROUSE wherever we can. I used to have a guideline to…
Darlene_Society:  … mention the Teaching every day. I need to revive that.
Ayesha_Society:  As of today there are 91 pillars and 50 friends who are providing the ongoing financial stability for the New Message. Gratitude to all those who are serving in this capacity. May your service continue to build a strong anchor for the New Message from God in the world. If you are interested in becoming a part of this community of givers, please learn more here: http://www.newmessage….ssage
Chrysostomos:  @Aurora the books went to Arab world. Came back through Spain. Vatican is another hidden story of Christianism.
Greg_UK:  @Adria also it is worth remembering that magnetic data storage whether on tapes or hard drives would be wiped by an EMP phenomena caused even by natural phenomena like a meteor strike. Optical media like CD DVD and Blu-Ray storage is one safe way to archive data like NM recordings and texts
Alex Nz:  MVS Society: now thats a quote, gotta remember that one
Reed_Society:  @Alison, yes when I read “It will be an immense and traumatic set of events” and think of the overwhelming tide of pain and trauma coming for humanity, I think to myself: my redemption is not about me. It is about participating in a great effort to serve this world in its period of greatest struggle and transition to a new life in the Greater Community. My redemption is not a process internal to me, specific to me and my needs, localized in my circumstances and personal awareness. It is about participating in a great coordination focused on service that is already underway, always has been and always will be.
mellany UK:  Thank you, Patricia. That’s a beautiful and effective analogy .. and a memorable one.
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  Thanks Chrysostomos!

ray_Colorado:  “What establishes community is never the charisma of a leader. It is the Presence of that which guides the leader. This is true community. It is this that you must learn and teach.”

Secrets of Heaven. 90

Alison_Boulder:  Here are three ways you can assist the Society in Advocacy for the New Message this week:

A team of volunteers are creating photos to vividly pair the GW reality and prophetic quotes together on social media. Bring this photo and quote from the MVS Facebook page into Facebook groups, sharing the Great Waves prophecy:
https://www.facebook.c…ype=3

Retweet Marshall’s words on Twitter, adding relevant hashtags
https://twitter.com/ma…mmers

Like, subscribe, and comment on this YouTube channel regarding alien contact. Share far and wide! Here is one video example:
https://www.youtube.co…Lo9Fw

Mike_LF_CAL:  @Carol…I now this effect, physics relates to it as quantum entanglement, whenever 2 or more of you are gathered together… basically this means your power and your intention is amplified! MMCM!
cray boulder:  sea level rise map: http://geology.com/sea…rise/ > select “30M” in upper left of map. zoom for local.
cray boulder:  or 40M perhaps?
Cameron_Canada:  @Patricia – Thank you
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you, Patricia, for your experience of this environment and your clarity in describing it for us.
Alison_Boulder:  ADVOCACY GATHERINGS meet every Thursday at Uberconference.com/NewMessage 
Here, we gather to learn about unified communication: How to take what Marshall has brought us, what has been translated, edited, and brought to text, photo and video— sharing it out with the gift of free internet at this time. Come at 6:30pm MST or 7pm BST. Email alison@newmessage.org for more info.
Carol_Society:  We invite you to engage with, as you have time:
The Allies of Humanity Book Three: A Message To Earth. An “Additional Resource” for this School Session. http://alliesofhumanit…ies3/
The following resources for study and connection with other students:
>The Allies of Humanity Forum: http://alliesofhumanit…orum/
>Campfire Chat Transcriptions: http://www.newmessage….ripts
Today’s Chat transcript will be posted at the end of our discussion.
Will_Society:  Thank you Ayesha and Alison, highlighting this growing worldwide community of support, participation and advocacy, working to plant and nourish a new Revelation on an emerging world.
Mathieu_France:  @MaryLee: yes, so many causes calling for attention in that world already… I often ask myself, should I support this, or that? To what extent? Often, though, I restrain myself, thinking; who is supporting the New Message from God in this world that so desperately needs it? Almost nobody. So I support a bit some causes here and there, but most of my energy, time, skills and resources are committed to the New Message, because I feel responsibility here. I just know I must do it.
Bethne_UK:  @Mark-Society “My redemption is not a process internal to me, specific to me and my needs, localized in my circumstances and personal awareness. It is about participating in a great coordination focused on service that is already underway, always has been and always will be.(5:02PM)
Joyanne_Canada:  @Mathieu, ditto,
Adria_Poland:  Thanks, Greg!
Bethne_UK:  This moves me deeply!
Russell@Sask:  Well my fellow students tis time to face the world once again. To boldly go forth and seek out new minds with civilization and education as the drive. Plus I’m getting low on battery power presently 32% . I need a new supply cord for the Mac or a repair. Pending arrival of parts on order.
nenette_istanbul:  Thank you @Alison.
Kristina_Boulder:  @MVS, This is very true and a lot of people also want to see what they want to see and have what they want to have, regardless of what is coming in the future. The problem is that people, in general, imagine their future based on their or collective past, but it’s very hard to imagine something that has not happen yet and the only way to picture it is if you read about it somewhere, see it somewhere or someone will tell you about it or through Knowledge. That’s what TNMFG is providing for us, the vision of the future, so we can see it to some degree and we can prepare.
Damien_France:  Thank you everyone, goodbye.
Tonia _Denmark:  Thank you, Ray. I often think about The Presence. Good reminder there.
Joyanne_Canada:  @Greg, also a spare tablet, mp3 player, data traveler with solar back up, stored in an old micro wave, or mylar bag, will protect the NM material preserved..
ray_Colorado:  Mathieu_France: “You who are living at the time of Revelation and also at the time of great and increasing danger for humanity, danger from without and danger from within, would you not receive a New Message from God?, to guide humanity to prepare humanity for the difficult and uncertain times ahead and if you realized this was indeed a New Message from God, and not the product of one man’s imagination, that it was not a deception of any kind but the real thing and it was happening in your lifetime at this time, how would you respond and what would you do to support this New Message?
Would you begin to receive the gifts of grace and power that it would bring to your life and how you could extend that to others who need it so very greatly at this time? ” Supporting God’s New Revelation https://newknowledgeli…load/
nenette_istanbul:  Thank you @MVS :”When we are weak, we fear anything that requires us to be strong. When we are strong, we fear anything that makes us weak.”
Robert_Society:  @Reed – Thank you for reminding us….”My redemption is not a process internal to me, specific to me and my needs, localized in my circumstances and personal awareness. It is about participating in a great coordination focused on service that is already underway, always has been and always will be.”
Cole_Boulder:  Thank you everyone. NNC
Bruce in Cape Cod:  Thank you everyone! 😃
Joyanne_Canada:  True Kristina, even when its is evident it is happening people are in denial or only want to see their preferred preferences, outcomes, this was quite evident this am when my post of GWC had many attacks against the NM and MVS.. Made me realize how closed off society is to what is really happening in our world. t
ray_Colorado:  “” … the Message and the Messenger will need your recognition, your awareness, and your support. You must look within your heart to answer these questions and to see how to respond to this great calling, but first you must look at the New Message and come to understand really what it is, why it is here and why its arrival is unprecedented in the world. To do this objectively and honestly you must look at your own life objectively and honestly, have you found the real pathway that is yours to travel, are you responding to the deeper Knowledge that God has placed within you that is there to guide you and to protect you and to lead you forward?
Are you living the life you know you must live?
Are you discovering and expressing your real gifts here, in light of what the world really needs from you and not just on what you want to give?
Are you in the right place with the right people doing the things that you really must be doing right now? Or is your life adrift and confused? Or has it…

ray_Colorado:  … become stalled, held back, displaced?

Only you can answer these questions but they are questions that you must ask and you must continue to ask, not as if there was a simple answer that comes into your mind, but as a question you must live with, a question that will reveal the answer over time as you are ready to receive the answer for yourself. There is a correspondence between you and the Creator of all life but it is happening at a deeper level within you and the New Message from God reveals how you can experience this correspondence, and receive the power and the strength and the vision that God is presenting for the benefit all of humanity now.” Supporting God’s New Revelationhttps://newknowledgeli…load/

betty & joe uk:  Betty – regarding the what impacted me when reading chapter 9 in GW of Change is “If you will not accept the reality, then you will not recognize the remedy.”
James_Boulder:  @ reed, “bring me to that experience that will bring me closer to Knowledge”… this is a powerful prayer of willingness. Often for me that experience has been pain, the ability to be with pain objectively, fiercely staying with it not looking to hide it, fade it, or fix it and it becomes a doorway to a deeper experience of Knowledge.
Just as the revelation on suffering says, “It is your realtionship to suffering we wish to change.”
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Paul, there is a good chance this is already underway and not in some distant future.
Reed_Society:  I want to let everyone know that last Monday Marshall recorded an extensive interview and discussion on the Great Waves Prophecy and the Alien Intervention in the world, this 45+ minute conversation will be going up on YouTube soon. @Darlene, “this is rousing time’ YES, this is an opportunity to add your voice to Marshall’s voice, share the video(s) wherever you can, with those you can and communicate your response to the prophecy he is introducing to the world. Again, the video will be published shortly, in a few days…
Raoul_Australia:  Thank you Reed, that feels so true: “…It is about participating in a great coordination focused on service that is already underway, always has been and always will be.””
Ginny_Dallas:  Thank you Patricia for your beautiful teaching today. I feel it’s resonance within.
Jeanne_Boulder:  Thanks to all students for your wisdom today, blessing to all Nasi Novare Coram
Kristina_Boulder:  Words that pop into my head right now are: “Don’t worry about saving the world, worry about how you can save yourself and your family, how you can become stable and assist some other individuals that might require your assistance”. This is from one of the Revelations about GW.
88592:  Hi there all. I am quite new here and I just managed to miss this campfire chat. Can an advanced student of Knowledge please answer a few simple questions regarding Steps to knowledge practice? In private chat maybe?
Jos_NL:  Thank you Reed, look forward.
Jeanne_Boulder:  Kristina Boulder thanks for sharing that
SangHyun_CA_Korea:  Thank you Reed, will do.
Robert_Society:  @88592 – If you’d like to email the Society, we’d be happy to try to address your questions. society@newmessage.org
Richmond_UK:  Thanks Reed for the update.
Alex Nz:  d your comment, aparently distillation of water only removes non living minerals and the living minerals remain
Raoul_Australia:  Thank you Reed, I am looking forward to that interview.
ALEN INDIA:  sure Reed waiting
Paul_MA:  Betty- “If you will not accept the reality, then you will not recognize the remedy.”(12:11PM)…Once one accepts this reality, the next step would be to live within that reality… as this will be good preparation for that reality….One can start adapting by living today in the future that is on its way…
Jeanne_Boulder:  Thanks Reed & to all who assisted in this project. Blessings
Frederick_UK:  Bye everyone be with you next week Nasi Novare Coram.
mellany UK:  Thanks, Reed. Great! Thank you Marshall.
justin-calif-!:  Have to run, gang- thanx again for all your wisdom and strength! I will be posting events that I will be giving out NM info at on the Advocacy site- stay safe, all! NNC, j
Alison_Boulder:  @Reed@MVS– Thank you for the life force put into this interview. I look forward to listening and sharing– MVS interviews have always been powerful education tools for me. The questions from the interviewers will happen to us in the future or maybe today.
Debbie_MI:  @Kristina-Could you please share where to find that quote?
Darlene_Society:  Perfect rousing opp! Thank you Reed…can’t wait to hear you Marshall and share your words,
Tonia _Denmark:  MVS, thank you for the quote….very powerful and right on the reality of how it is…..I like it boring now so to speak…..because when not much is happening, it is really where I feel closest to being strong….. and spot new patterns of thinking and a detail to correct here and there…..boring is good right after these waves of fears striking one after the other….. Much is gathered inside it seems.
Kari_H_Finland:  Thank you for this Campfire Chat. Thank you for being in this emerging world among the Greater Community of worlds. Mavran Mavran Conay Mavran
MaryL_Boulder:  @Mathieu_France…yes I consider the cries for help that come to my attention but I know my resources are limited (time, energy and money) so I feel the restraint. But I do know that the New Message with the warning, the Greater Community education and the preparation is the answer to humanity. It comes from the Creator of all life. So that is where I give my support and focus. Beyond that I pray Knowledge will direct and I will listen and follow.
Tyyne Society:  Patricia – thank you for this… “With time we may navigate all 3 positions…as we develop in service…. In a Great Waves world undergoing Intervention, it may be ever more important to get to our “Offshore” position. We need to ”know” what we are looking at and experiencing while “Onshore.” But this is not where we live. We need to be accessible to a world in need and also to our deeper resources, both to service with wisdom, but also to be replenished and to be guided….” So important in our being able to see, know and take action when needed.
Maurice_Canada:  Bye y’all wish I could stay longer but can’t
betty & joe uk:  Betty – The Revelation gives us characteristics of people who are likely to be receptive to the NM, the age group, what people are going through when they are considering something greater in their life, a life change. I feel that the NM is also there to enable us to recognise those who can respond and gives the tools to reach those we need to reach.
Samantha_SA:  @Reed thank you for your words “To regard adversity in this way – as the experience that will call out of us what we truly carry – will help us regard the challenge of this time in the world, and the rocky road ahead for the Worldwide Community as we bring this Revelation to the world.(5:56PM)
Joyanne_Canada:  @Paul, I am finding that accepting the realities presented in the NM Teachings is also a slow and incremental process, ie: the GW Prophecy, some aspects of it take digesting then acceptance then movement, Like our Step journey the Message needs time to be integrated within, time for understandings and perspectives to grow and expand. Yet as they do you just know you must continue on.
Tom_SanFrancisco:  @ alex: that is something we should look into.. see https://realfood.space/distilled-purified-water-vs-mineral-water/
Alex Nz:  Russell@Sask: recomend looking into the youtube video i mentioned its pretty good and an eye opener…Distilled Water vs Filtered Water vs Bottled – “The Truth” The Journey of Water Documentary
Tyyne Society:  Thank you everyone… These are blessed times together as we prepare and face a world that is undergoing tremendous change, as we share this with the world and look for those who are searching, who can take up this mantle and share the burden. I feel this and I’m sure you all do as well. Love and strength to us all.
MVS Society:  Many people want to help, but what is important is to be prepared to help in specific ways to meet specific needs.
Debbie_MI:  @MVS-Thank you.
betty & joe uk:  Thank you Marshall with deep gratitude
Alex Nz:  Tom_SanFrancisco: ima conspiracy realist and i believe there is scare mongering going on to get people awayt from the distilled water if you watch that video i linked and understand my point of veiw and others things i know but have not mentioned you would understand
Jos_NL:  @MVS This means one must know oneself.
Alex Nz:  water water water we all need it….when we need it
Shrimayi Netherlands:  @ Thank you Patricia for this clear picture “
1. “The Onshore Reality” which is the world, day to day life .
2. “The Offshore Reality”, which is that environment we might occupy when doing the Great Practices (ex., Stillness, Inner Listening, Seeing) either formally in seated practice or in a more active mode, as we interact with others and the world.
3. “The Deep Waters” which is the deep, deep states of…(5:56PM)
Patricia_Society: … stillness which may provide the basis for engagement with Knowledge and with those who sent us….
Samantha_SA:  @Darlene – thank you for your words: “Perhaps our time now is not to contemplate the population control or scenarios of the future, what the AA hasn’t told us, or the exact consequences of the global emergency but to find our individual VOICE and use our VOICES NOW, to speak for the Revelation and the Messenger and Steps.”
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you dear Messenger and Family, Society–Robert and Carol– my WWC and the Teachers of God with us.
Levy_Brazil:  Thanks @Darlene @Samantha
Jennie_Netherlands:  Thank you all, again this has been a powerful chat. See you next week. NNC
Susan_Malaysia:  Thank you, MVS , Patricia, Reed, the Society and everyone NNC.
Samantha_SA:  @MVS thank you
Mathieu_France:  Thank you all. Nasi Novare Coram
Joyanne_Canada:  In any kind of Advocacy, I remind myself that I am looking for those that are looking and not wasting my energy on those who only want to debate their assumptions. Reminding myself that it may not be their time for this greater understanding and perhaps in the future a GW event will call them to seek their place in serving this world. I remind myself to wait and let Knowledge in me speak to Knowledge in them.
Chrysostomos:  Thank u all. Have a nice weekend.
Maria_Boulder:  @ James, thank you for what you said at 10:12…a gem and reminder I would have missed if I didn’t go over what I might have missed on this chat, in its fast paced delivery!
betty & joe uk:  Joe: A brief update from the UFO conference, books of Revelation have now been distributed to approximately 50 people, the table is creating a lot of interest.
ALEN INDIA:  step 234: Knowledge serves humanity in all ways
Richmond_UK:  Thank you everyone. Nasi Novare Coram.
Adria_Poland:  Thank you all. Nasi Novare Coram
Joyanne_Canada:  @Betty and Joe, Rosa, and LaRae thank you so much for your update and service. NNC.. very inspiring..
Maria_Boulder:  Thank you all . I began to name the attributes…they are too many!
Jennie_Netherlands:  Thank you Joe and Betty for being out there
Alexandra_NL:  MVS Society: Many people want to help, but what is important is to be prepared to help in specific ways to meet specific needs.(6:19PM)
Indeed, even the missionaries who brought the bible to the natives in the america´s (and where not) wanted to help… the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Levy_Brazil:  Nice, Betty and Joe!
ray_Colorado:  “You come to Knowledge because you feel the need of the soul, because it is the deepest need, the most profound need, the need that cannot be satisfied by anything else, the need that turns you off the highway of life into a deeper search where other people seem to have no interest have no orientation. It sets you apart because it is a calling; a calling is what calls you out of your circumstances, out of your life at the surface as you have known it. This then is your greatest opportunity; you will take this journey because of the deeper need, not because of a promise of heaven or pleasing God or paradise. That is all for people living at the surface, that is the addiction of ideas, this is a natural movement, movement of the heart and the soul. You come here because you know and you feel there is a deeper well, a deeper current of water beneath the surface.” The Deeper Current of Your Lifehttps://newknowledgeli…load/
MVS Society:  The Great Waves and the Intervention are the only two immense and growing events that can unite a fractured humanity. If seen clearly, the challenge brings the cure. Individually and together, we must be challenged to grow strong and to be able to find our real inspiration and service here.
Cameron_Canada:  I have to go as well. Thank you to Carol, Robert, Patricia, Marshall, and all here participating. Until next week, be well.
Will_Society:  That’s wonderful, Betty and Joe! Great to hear.
Ellen_Society:  Thank you LaRae, Betty and Joe!
manuel germany :):  Betty, Joe, Rosa and LaRae – that is wonderful. Thank you so much for being there at the UFO conference bearing the light of truth and advocating what needs to be advocated. 
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @ Shrimayi Thanks for capsulizing the three environments even more clearly. 
Tonia _Denmark:  I am reminded of when I walked the Camino in Spain in 2015 the nuns in the monastries specifically told us pilgrims to help others in need, no matter if on the road or back at home. Many sore feet were treated by others and many volonteers assisted in the hostels. A special community were built up I felt.
Debbie_MI:  @Betty and Joe-Thank you for sharing about the UFO conference. It is good news to hear that there is lots of interest.
Bruce in Cape Cod:  What are we doing in this basket? And where are we going? Lol!
SangHyun_CA_Korea:  Thanks for sharing, Betty & Joe.
Ken_Oklahoma:  @Betty, Joe, Rosa, LaRae – Please let us know how things are going and how things went once the conference is over…..maybe post on NM Advocacy….thanks for this great work.
mellany UK:  That’s great news, @Joe. Thanks, to you, LaRae, Rosa, Betty.
Jos_NL:  Thank you Marshall.
Patricia_Society:  @Srimayi- This analogy presented itself to me some years back. It has helped me a great deal to “understand where I am” or where I need to be and/or how I need to be at any given time…The Deep Waters? well they just draw us in or very occasionally and blessedly swell to envelop us…All 3 “positions” Onshore, Offshore, Deep Water though are about “Communication and Relationship.”
Darlene_Society:  Voices! Thank you Betty, Joe, LaRae, Justin and others who have “taken their show on the road” and spoken the truth which must be heard. And thank you all for your growing strength and participation here to stand with the Messenger.
LaRaeUK:  Hi Ken. I will be writing a reporr when the conference is complete.
Reed_Society:  @Betty and Joe, great to hear, certain people must be reached, and for that to happen we each will need to “go out there” to some extent, outside the circumstances of our life to reach them, and in the process we all are served, these people will find what they have been looking for, you will experience the message moving through you to them, and we all get to be inspired by that process happening, all are made stronger through the experience of advocacy
manuel germany :):  These two great challenges (GWC and contact with the GC) will bring unity, cooperation and a greater social cohesion in the human family. Unfortunately as it seems we have to learn our lessons the hard way…
Ellen_Society:  Yes, thank you to Rosa as well. What a gift you are all giving.
20736:  Thank you Everyone for joining together again today. So many good and inspiring nuggets in the Chat today – important to revisit…Thank you Carol and Robert for facilitating this important conversation, and as always to Marshall, Patricia & Reed for their invaluable guidance. Nasi Novare Coram.
Joyanne_Canada:  @Manuel, but are we, there have been many lessons in the past that humanity has not learned as of yet. We are still a primitive race mired in conflict, war, greed, we so need this New Message, for there is not much time for our race to grow up.
Mark_Boulder:  @MVS – On the day of 9/11/01, my sister and brother in law walked across the Brooklyn bridge into Manhatten wanting to help the disaster. They were stopped at the end of the bridge by a military checkpoint who asked them: are you a first responder? They said “no.” Are you a person with medical training? They said, “no.” And so they were told to go back to Brooklyn because they were of no help to anyone and actually a burden on this difficult day. That day inspired my brother in law to prepare to become a doctor who is now working as an ER Doc, helping on the front lines with America’s poorest and most vulnerable. I have often asked myself where am I most needed? and consistently, here in Boulder comes to me. No other cause can compare to the New message.
Alex Nz:  thankyou MVS Society:, and hope i ant taking away from this chat but believe the distilled water thing is great waves connected, like solution, like solar distillers but yea recentlly found out about it and can’t help but tell everybody, still taking my steps and must use inner listening more, slow down a bit but yea its all to the good! NNC everybody love all the shares
Shrimayi Netherlands:  @Patricia This is something I will come back to and will put it on my NM wall, very usefull thank you again.
Kelton:  Thank you all and the blessings of the revelation be with you always. Nasi Novare Coram
ray_Colorado:  “Your calling in life is very specific. It involves engaging with certain people for specific reasons at certain junctures of your life. The greater purpose that you share with everyone is to keep Knowledge alive in the world and to bring something from your Ancient Home into the world. This is a definition that you can abide with because it will not limit you and it will not deceive you, but go no further in your definitions. Allow the manifestation of your purpose to take place naturally, as it will if you follow in The Way of Knowledge. Your purpose now is to prepare to gain a greater understanding of the world, the world’s evolution and the world’s destiny. Within this larger context you will gain a new vantage point for understanding your role in the world and your reason for coming here. Your life must be fulfilled. It must be justified. The world is a difficult place to come to. It is not a vacation spot. It is not a place where you are sent for punishment. It is not a place…
ray_Colorado:  … where you are sent for pleasure. It is a place that needs your gifts from your Ancient Home, and for this reason you have come. Your gifts are very specific, and they can be given without making a great show. Except in rare cases, you will not receive acclaim, glory or fame for giving your gift. This is appropriate. If you could gain a greater understanding of the world and what the world really is, what the world’s need is and what the world’s predicament is, you would see what a great advantage this is. You would understand why the Wise remain hidden and why they must learn to do so even to become wise.” What is Human Purpose? http://www.newmessage….rpose
Joyanne_Canada:  Mark, thanks for sharing that. An amazing story of how your brother was called to serve others. Wow. and I agree, no other cause compares to the work at hand, The awareness of the NM and its power to raise humanity to a whole new level of participation in this world.
Levy_Brazil:  Wow, thanks Mark.
mellany UK:  Thanks for sharing, Mark. Wow .. your brother in law was really moved and inspired by such a tragic event.
SangHyun_CA_Korea:  Thanks for sharing, Mark.
Samantha_SA:  @ Mark – thank your for sharing, so true: “No other cause can compare to the New message.”
Jos_NL:  Thanks Mark
Darlene_Society:  Amazing story! This is how the crises can stimulate Knowledge. Thank you.
Debbie_MI:  @Mark-Thanks for sharing-what an amazing and inspiring story!
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thanks Mark for sharing that!!! Purpose born of tragedy.
Tonia _Denmark:  Thanks for sharing, Mark. Such a powerful insight he recieved there.
Levy_Brazil:  Mark, to me this speaks about being prepared for a specific contribution. Besides the right people/place/purpose.
Jangsun_Korea:  Thanks for sharing, Mark. Yes, we must be prepared to help.
Darlene_Society:  And such a powerful confirmation you received, Mark
Mark_Boulder:  @Levy – Yes. As MVS said, we all want to help, but are we prepared? Are we strong?
mellany UK:  Thank you, Marshall, The Society, and all student-advocates. Nasi Novare Coram. “Only God knows what is coming over the horizon, and only God can prepare you for this completely. You may recognize certain solutions to aspects of the world’s problems, but you cannot prepare yourself for the Great Waves of change or for your encounter with intelligent life in the universe.” ~ The One God
mellany UK:  “The New God”
Shrimayi Netherlands:  @thank you James bring me to that experience that will bring me closer to Knowledge”… this is a powerful prayer of willingness. Often for me that experience has been pain, the ability to be with pain objectively, fiercely staying with it not looking to hide it, fade it, or fix it and it becomes a doorway to a deeper experience of Knowledge.
Just as the revelation on suffering says, “It is your realtionship to suffering we wish to change.”(6:12PM)
Jorge_Spain:  Population control: I don’t mean that how to resolve population growth should be the primary focus for us, students. But I think it is clear that, unfortunately, unrestrainded population growth it is a fundamental part of humanity’s predicament, a part that very few dare to speak about (so difficult it is) and that it is often associated with government control and intolerable freedom infringements. But objectively speaking, unrestrained population growth works hand in hand with all the rest of the very serious problems facing the human family. Having said that, I undestand all the deep fears regarding this, I know them very well…
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Betty & Joe, are you posting pictures of the event (at your table) on FB by any chance?
manuel germany :):  @Joyanne_Canada: fully agree with your statement. But as the world situation will be getting darker and more difficult, humanity will eventually have to grow more mature -out of necessity-, overcoming all our destructive behaviors and tendencies. And if we, the students of Knowledge become Man or Woman of Knowledge, we will be playing our little but important roles now and in the future… – we have to change our hearts and minds and live and experience Knowledge
Joyanne_Canada:  @Manuel, well stated.. agreed
Adria_Poland:  Mark, so powerful. Thank you for sharing.
Jorge_Spain:  There is a quote that summarizes very well all this humanity’s “unrestrainment”:”Humanity is deaf and blind and dumb and proceeds willfully in its pursuits of wealth and power—easily corrupted, easily misled, desperate amongst its poorer peoples, unable to control its population, unable to control its use of resources, unable to restrain its conflicts and its historical prejudices. Like a willful child, it is going headlong into the future—heedless, not thinking ahead, not looking ahead, only meeting the needs of the day.” THE RACE TO SAVE HUMAN CIVILIZATION
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @mellany – many of my advocate efforts fall on deaf ears because there is such a reaction to the word “God” – so your emphasis on “New God” resonates with that experience, I think
Hardev_Australia:  @Mark, I agree “No other cause can compare to the New message.”
ALEN INDIA:  The power of knowledge within one individual is to activate the power of knowledge in other individuals and thus stimulate and support the regeneration of life within the minds that are living in seperate fantasies(step 234)
Raoul_Australia:  Thank you all, Nasi Novare Coram
David_Drimmel:  Yes, Jorge. Education in that regard in a compassionate way will be very important in the future. Who will help people understand that we must not be selfish in mindlessly reproducing? Who can say truly how much one should or should not reproduce? If people knew more about the issues at hand, having more children may be less likely on their list of to do’s, or perhaps knowledge indicates they have more children in the right circumstances.
Douglas_St. Paul:  Whoever used to be 88592, who are you now? (Oops.)
ray_Colorado:  “All this is with you it is your promise and your destiny but you have to work for it, you have to be in relationship with it, you have to participate, you have to practice, you have to focus, and for this you need to be alone.
Practicing with others is beneficial but practicing alone is the most promising; Being at peace with yourself, having confidence and knowledge within yourself, and yet being humble, places you in a position of great clarity.
The world is turbulent but you are not, people are driven but you are not, life is stressful but you are able to recover from the stress.
Relationships are confusing but you are not confused regarding them. Your real work in the world remains to be discovered as you prepare for it but you are patient enough to work towards it and await its emergence. Knowledge is patient it is not seeking because it is the answer and yet it is here in the world to accomplish something so it is focused it is creative and it is determined.
You then become its…
ray_Colorado:  … student you follow Knowledge your mind and your intellect now becomes subservient to a greater power than yourself. Here the intellect can become the wonderful instrument of communication that it really is. Here you are able to discern amongst your emotions those which are truly valuable and indicative and those which are merely the product of your own reactions to life. Here you are powerful and humble all at once for you know your source of your power is beyond your grasp, and you cannot control it you can only yield to it and follow it, and you will find that even if you are in close relationship with another you still have this sanctuary within yourself. ” Being Alone https://newknowledgeli…load/
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @Jorge – I think trying to “control” is the Interventions tactic, we need a broadening of awareness, I think, in a natural “Knowledge Based” way. I think as we make our efforts we could get there.
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Jorge, thank you!
mellany UK:  I’ve experienced that too, @Aurora .. with others, and also myself, in earlier days.
ALEN INDIA:  My two states has more population than the entire United States
betty & joe uk:  Thank you for all your message of support, we all gain strength from each other.
Levy_Brazil:  Yes Jorge, I understand limiting the number of children per family is part of a humane means of controlling population. If we all lived in one big island, with nowhere else to grow to, we would understand that very quickly.
Douglas_St. Paul:  @ALEN_INDIA, I was going to ask what part of India you are from. Two states?
Joyanne_Canada:  @Aurora, yes, people are still referring to the Old God, I recently asked a person about how he sees God, does he see God as having only human traits?, the answer was yes, so humanity has this blockage it seems to see God or understand God in a greater capacity. Many take the NM teachings until God pops up then it is discounted because they can’t understand a God of the Greater Community.. Once again its conditioning and culture and what Religions have been made into that becomes a stumbling block for many.
Mike_LF_CAL:  BTW, a special MUFON meeting is occurring this week, I plan on attending and passing off copies of TGC to some higher ups I know in the organization!
Ken_Oklahoma:  It occurred to me the other day, while working with a financial planner and contemplating electronic based investments…..how reliable will these electronic systems be in getting access to savings in great times of need?….what other types of savings are needed for times when electronic systems are down due to natural or manmade disasters. How will will families and communities collaborate to respond to this and many other challenging scenarios?
ALEN INDIA:  I’m from Kerala..south. I’m talking about Uttar pradesh and Maharashtra
Shrimayi Netherlands:  Thank you all! Nasi Novare Coram.
Joyanne_Canada:  awesome Mike, May the Presence of Knowledge flow through you to those who are waiting. NNC
Tonia _Denmark:  Thank you, Mellany. Very deep and resonating words.
mellany UK:  Thanks, Mike!
MVS Society:  Yes Jos, but it also means one must have some skills and a readiness to serve when needed.
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  @ray Thank you for that, I hadn’t seen that passage. I have been following Knowledge unconsciously all my life, apparently. Now to become conscious. Looking back I can see that learning and forward movement can be very slow – like nature – and a calm, peaceful, relaxed center is best to approach and discern where help is needed.
ray_Colorado:  ” … living and following The Way of Knowledge does not make things look different. You will still have good days and bad days. You will still have days when you feel certain of what you are doing, and you will have days when you are uncertain. You will still cry and get angry. You will still do silly things. You will still make mistakes. But while all this is going on, something else is growing within you and becoming more powerful, more real and more evident. There is the great garden growing—the garden of Knowledge. There is a fire burning within you—the Fire of Knowledge. It is growing, day by day. The great change that you will experience will be unlike the big sensations that people usually call self-transformation. The real change happens deep within you. You don’t usually see it happening, but you do notice the results. As time passes, you start to feel differently about certain things, not because anyone has told you to do so. It’s just something you feel. Time passes, and…
ray_Colorado:  … your values change. You begin to take refuge in the truth rather than attempt to escape from it. You seek quiet more and more as gross stimulation becomes a great aggravation. You look for different things in yourself and in others. You become more aware of the subtle interactions between people. You are more affected by the mental environment and more sensitive to it. You begin to value truth and understanding more than possessions and pleasurable sensations.” WGC2. 34 http://www.newmessage….ume-2
Darlene_Society:  Great, Mike! Knowledge goes with you and whom will you meet?
Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  Good point Joyanne, and thanks mellany. I had always seen two Gods in the bible – the old testament “jealous” and angry God, and the one of the new testament based on love. It seemed pretty clear that they weren’t the same being. My POV was that we should just count the old testament as history – and never refer to his ways again (an eye for an eye, indeed – where would it ever stop?!?)
ray_Colorado:  “”You will know us because we are your Family. This can only be known and is not realized through deduction or any kind of rational process. An old friend is merely recognized. If you remember us as we truly are, you will remember your life before entering here. You will remember your purpose and your agreement. You will remember the strength of your undertaking and the great assistance that surrounds you always. In this, you will find true strength, for nothing that you can see in the world can cast shadows upon an awareness of this magnitude.”
Secrets of Heaven. 151 Retreana Carvedan Celton Iy: “Receive the Heart of God through your Spiritual Family that is joined about you.” Nasi Novare Coram
Joyanne_Canada:  @Ken good question.. I take out the Recommendations in the GWC book, its important to stabilize ourselves so we can concentrate on taking out the NM. I encourage others to at least consider the Recommendations even if they do not want to engage in the NM.
Robert_Society:  The NM tells us to be present and live in the moment and plan for the future. This does mean to consider and watch what the signs of the world are presenting and to look forward in time in our watchtowers to look at the horizon. We are told to look objectively with clear eyes, and an unbiased, neutral mind. It also tells us to not draw conclusions…that the picture will present itself in time as we continue to look in this way. This brings reality into our awareness and allows it to be presented clearly in our minds for Knowledge to work with. This is seeing, knowing and taking action. The challenge is to be able to do this increasingly and with more focus. This is part of practice, preparation and studenthood.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you everyone! Nasi Novare Coram
Inhee_Korea:  Thank you all NNC.

Aurora_Chase_Hawaii:  ALoha and thanks for the chance to participate!
manuel germany :):  I feel deep gratitude to be connected to all such wonderful spirits and recognizing Knowledge and Wisdom in your shared experiences and thoughts. We all are blessed by the New Message From God and have the privilege to be at this time on Earth to be of service and to give what we brought from our Ancient Home. Nasi Novare Coram    and ALoha
Eron_Boulder:  Blessings everyone…Nasi Novare Coram
Joyanne_Canada:  thank you Robert
Tonia _Denmark:  Ray, thank you
Ken_Oklahoma:  Thanks Robert – “consider and watch what the signs of the world are presenting and to look forward in time in our watchtowers to look at the horizon….The challenge is to be able to do this increasingly and with more focus.” This is so important.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you ray and Robert!!!
ray_Colorado:  ” …. the Watchtower is a spiritual practice something you learn to do you sit quietly and watch the world without judgments without conclusions, you sit quietly and watch others without judgment or conclusions, trying to feel the mental environment listening for Knowledge as you do this. Here you listen to others instead of being caught up in your conversation you listen to hear and to experience their deeper nature and their true condition at this moment.
Here you are not judging them instead you are discerning them you are present to them and if this is carried out correctly you will learn a great deal about them in a short period of time and you will also feel compassion toward them and you will understand them and you will not deny their humanity.
If people would listen to each other really without simply reacting you would have far less misunderstandings far less violence far less conflict in the world today.” The Watchtower …
ray_Colorado:  … https://newknowledgeli…load/

Douglas_St. Paul:  My will to be stronger is stronger than it was a couple of hours ago. Blessings all.
Mike_LF_CAL:  Another moving chat session. Thanks everyone. Deep gratitude Marshall, thank you and the Society for creating this environment for fellowship. MMCM NNC
Hardev_Australia:  Thank you Marshall and all here. NNC.
mellany UK:  Thank you, Robert. “It also tells us to not draw conclusions…that the picture will present itself in time as we continue to look in this way.” .. this draws on the great need for patience and courage .. and the ability to face and live with things, as they are and not as we hope or fear them to be.

Jeffrey_Boulder:  “Do you think the plan calls for a bunch of dreamers? Impotent, ineffectual, lacking in courage? We assure you this is not the case. Strong you must be—gentle, sensitive and strong.” Secrets p. 9
Jansett_KY:  Thank you for sharing that beautiful Secret, Jeffrey.
Carol_Society:  Thank you to everyone, and always our deep gratitude to the Messenger and to Patricia and Reed for your presence with us today and for your great wisdom and inspiration. Nasi Novare Coram.
Joyanne_Canada:  @Ray, The Watchtower is a Revelation that I like to listen to often, to bring myself to that Watchtower mode, I find it one of the most strengthening revelations. There are many of these Revelations that can assist us in pulling us forward, and developing skills and strengths. NNC thank you

nenette_istanbul:  Thank you and Goodnight everyone. Cay Mavran Tomay Naya Tay – Coma Navran Tay Misu Veda Re Tranan: “Beyond all boundaries of race and tolerance, the Way of Knowledge flows to those who can receive it well.”

SangHyun_CA_Korea:  Nasi Novare Coram
Samantha_SA:  Thank you everyone for being here today.
Suba Cro:  Hi again all, I apologize for the rude intrusion a while ago. As this is my first attendance to a campfire chat, I would like to thank the messenger for bringing God’s message into our lives. It has begun to change my values, beliefs and activities so strong and so quick that I am excited and in fearful resistance at the same time. The message gave me so much strength, peace and courage so far that I am simply shocked by the power of it. And now it is giving me a community to be a part of. Thank you God, thank you Marshall and thank you Community for giving me a chance to be a part of a redemption of the human family. I am so grateful. And this is so beautiful. See you guys next time 
Nancy_Oregon:  Thank you Reed for this news of a new Interview/discussion with our Messenger Marshall. I look forward to having it for yself, and to having it to share with others. Much appreciated. Nasi Novare Coram
Mike_LF_CAL:  Welcome Suba_Cro!
Suba Cro:  Thank you Mike my man 
Jansett_KY:  The mail carrier just delivered Time magazine. Quote on the cover: “The storms keep getting stronger. And so do we.”
Tonia _Denmark:  Thank you all. Nnc.
Darlene_Society:  Suba_Cro…you have been found…welcome to the Worldwide Community of God’s New Message! Nasi Novare Coram

Suba Cro:  Thank you Darlene, I am so glad to be here.
Darlene_Society:  See you next Saturday!

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