jeanine_Society: While we are waiting for the Chat to start, here is wisdom from our Messenger himself to ponder from last week’s Chat: nenette_istanbul: So Wonderful all Students from around the Globe Nasi Novare Coram :” “’The presence of the Teachers of God is with me and us all.”
jeanine_Society: “As you move out of the jungle of your mind, you are still faced with a world of people who are lost in that jungle. What you bring to them is the degree of freedom, clarity and power you have regained so far. This will naturally emerge from you in your engagement with the world. You do not need to teach it.”
“To move freely in and out of the jungle both within yourself and within the world, you cannot be bound to it. You have to know it is not who you are. It becomes the environment in which you serve.”
“Want nothing from the jungle and you will begin to experience freedom from it. Taking the Steps up the mountain, you will rise above this jungle and see it compassionately and with gratitude for giving you the vision and the commitment to find and follow the clear path out.”
“Conspiracy is alluring, but it is still the jungle.”
“Be kind and patient with yourself. Anger, frustration, sadness, despair all come up along the way to be flushed out of you. This is all the detritus of…
justin-calif-!: Hello, all- I have to leave early today- Alien/UFO film festival at the Balboa theatre in SF- they have kindly offered me a space in their lobby to give out NM info- will post pics!- stay safe!- NNC, j Mike_LF_CAL: Regarding the new WWC website, I registered but then was unable to login & therefore the chat does not work there. Who should we contact with login issues, Will? Mike_LF_CAL: @Justin, send me a few pics of you at the Alien/UFO film festival at the Balboa and good hunting! Tyyne_Society: It is now the hour. Let us take a moment of inner stillness together. Jeanne-Boulder: ‘“Be kind and patient with yourself. Anger, frustration, sadness, despair all come up along the way to be flushed out of you.” The is what holds me back Thanks Jeanine
Aurora_Hawaii: I reacted to the email that notified of this chat, from Reed: “…the process of unburdening, re-evaluation and training of the mind and our recognition of what our deep inner need is in light of all we have been through…”
The re-evaluation portion has been hitting me hard of late – concepts and ideas I’ve long held are being looked at with fresher eyes; transforming the naive optimism of “contact” to the reality of intervention. I find it a challenge to switch perspectives sometimes – so long has the hope and optimism been nurtured.
25002: Hello, great to be here again, I have asked to have the internet connection to myself for at least an hour, and I hope to be able to scroll and be more present today, – but I still experience a little delay, but much better. 34190: Greeting from Florida. Thank you Jim, i join you and all in expressing gratitude for the WWC website. Truly amazing and a blessing to connect with everyone. Nasi Novare Coram Aurora_Hawaii: AND “Look to see if you have had any contact with extraterrestrial forces yourself, either through the mental environment or through direct physical contact. Be courageous in asking yourself, “Have I had any direct contact with an extraterrestrial force? And if so, what was the nature of the contact and what occurred?” I think I would have to be able to discern things in the Mental Environment better to be sure, but it seems possible. Selma London: Strong gusts, with outbreaks of beautiful sunshine, here in the south-east of this island today.
Aurora_Hawaii: I reacted to the email that notified of this chat, from Reed: “…the process of unburdening, re-evaluation and training of the mind and our recognition of what our deep inner need is in light of all we have been through…”
The re-evaluation portion has been hitting me hard of late – concepts and ideas I’ve long held are being looked at with fresher eyes; transforming the naive optimism of “contact” to the reality of intervention. I find it a challenge to switch perspectives sometimes – so long has the hope and optimism been nurtured.
Look to see if you have had any contact with extraterrestrial forces yourself, either through the mental environment or through direct physical contact. Be courageous in asking yourself, “Have I had any direct contact with an extraterrestrial force? And if so, what was the nature of the contact and what occurred? I think I would have to be able to discern things in the Mental Environment better to be sure, but it seems possible. …
However, studying the STK gives hope for resolving separation with connectivity to an authority that can be trusted. It takes a team to accomplish anything of meaning, and a team one can trust is an awesome experience.
jeanine_Society: Welcome to all gathered here on Week 7 of Month 2 of the “Preparing for Contact with Intelligent Life” School Session. Russell_Sask: The messages would scroll off screen slower if students could observe saying hello in a Private Message. Yes we are glad to see each other but for the sake of staying focused it would be nice to keep private wishes Private. Not hacking on anyone in particular. Also when we attempt to have a top of the Hour Silence please still your fingers in honour of what we are attempting to do. jeanine_Society: Today we will take a look an in-depth look at another gift from the Teachers: “Guidelines for Preparing for the Greater Community”. ray_Colorado: “God’s New Revelation calls for the power of Knowledge in the individual. It calls people to a greater preparation and greater involvement in the world. It provides the Steps to Knowledge. It provides the wisdom and commentary that people will need and that they cannot provide for themselves in order to respond to this calling to take this journey and to assume these greater responsibilities and rewards.
Greater powers want to help you divest yourself of your foolishness and your things that you think are true that are not true to bring you up this mountain so that you can see and not just think and believe for once you attain higher places on the mountain the landscape becomes obvious whereas before you could only surmise what it would be like.
As We have said the Higher powers within you respond to the higher powers beyond you because they are connected because at a deeper level you are not just an individual an isolated point in the universe a floating object in space. You are…
ray_Colorado: … connected. You are connected to relationship with others both in the world and on the world in this world and in other worlds.
Your roots go deep they spread in all directions. ” (Higher Powers) https://newknowledgeli…age=3
Alisa_Russia: @Aurora – “It takes a team to accomplish anything of meaning, and a team one can trust is an awesome experience.” I couldn’t agree more! jeanine_Society: This Teaching has specific points on how we can best prepare for what is coming – to gain the strength, courage, cooperation, unity, self-sufficiency, discretion, determination, confidence, clarity, sobriety, and responsiveness that we will need to retain our freedom as we emerge into the Greater Community. jeanine_Society: There are 28 points given in this teaching – interesting to note that this could easily make a daily study for almost a month. Tyyne_Society: Thank you, Jeanine. Let us dive in… In reading Guidelines for Preparing for the Greater Community, what was your experience? What stood out for you? nenette_istanbul: Yes @jeanine…3 times or more and still listening , recalling understanding and to live on it … 31982: Hello this is Linda from California. ray_Colorado: “In discovering your greater purpose in life and in building a connection to the deeper Knowledge that God has placed within you, that holds this greater purpose for you, there are certain things that you must avoid, certain behaviors and involvements, intentions and desires, that will prove to be very dangerous for you and will undermine and even destroy your greater promise in being in the world at this time. The world is a hazardous place; it is a dangerous place; it is a beautiful place. And it is the appropriate place for you to be, but because of its many hazards, both its physical hazards and the many seductions that exist within the human environment, one must proceed with great caution, discernment and discretion.” (Eight Guidelines For Discovering Your Higher Purpose )https://newknowledgeli…load/ Heidi_Germany: Relating to the Guidelines I think a focus should be to support the public awareness of the necessity of the unity of mankind when we see the aspirations in various places to make parts of countries independent, such as Catalonia in Spain, Scotland in the UKand the like. And the second point is to further the awareness of the public to establish a boundary to space, a point that does not exist in public discussion. Selma London: Kari & Ilhun, Ophelia didn’t strike where I am in London – sheltered! Paul_MA: ray_Colorado: “In discovering your greater purpose in life and in building a connection to the deeper Knowledge that God has placed within you.—- Thanks Ray for posting…. Kari_H_Finland: @31982 Welcome Linda, you can set your name by clicking the gear icon at the lower right corner Mike_LF_CAL: @Jeanine, This passage apart from others stood out very BOLDLY fro me. “Share the Allies of Humanity Briefings with as many people as possible. Send the Declaration of Human Sovereignty to your friends and associates and to government leaders. The more people who can know about this, the stronger humanity will be and the more able it will be to ward off intervention and persuasion in order to set its own course to become a free and advancing race in the universe.” This Must be an ongoing part of my life I feel. Paul_MA: Guidelines: Mention of Hybrids and the Creation.This is really important. My work involves Life Science Research so I am aware of the current state of technology involving genetics and life science research. The use and advancement of genetic technology is rapidly increasing and accelerating and now includes stem cell technology, genetic editing, sequencing.etc.. If one thinks of merging humans with alien/foreign physical beings that would involve merging their genetic information, DNA together with the intention of creating a viable being. This work, a genetic engineering project, would involve merging DNA, correcting mistakes, and fine tuning the final “product”. We currently have the engineering tools to take on this project. (And if we don’t, the needed technology could be provided to us). All of this may be happening under the guise/false pretenses of cancer research, finding cures to diseases ,etc. Our system has been hi-jacked to further the aims of this hybrid creation. Amina Russia: “Share the Allies of Humanity Briefings with as many people as possible. Send the Declaration of Human Sovereignty to your friends and associates and to government leaders.” I am seriously considering sharing the Russian translation of this with Mr.Putin. I wonder if he gets to read it. Jeffrey_Boulder: 27: “Understand that humanity has a destiny in the Greater Community, a destiny as a free and self-determined race. But in order to achieve this and fulfill this destiny, humanity must become united; it must cease war and conflict; it must learn to limit the damage it is creating in the Earth to create a sustainable and self-sufficient existence here in this world.” Jim B. Upstate Ny: @Tynne For me the teachings were deep and held more meaning each time I read them. Reading the words given and all the words especially the steps hold so much meaning and truth. It kind of is like peeling away an onion each time I read them and begin to apply them in my life. To live them and truly understand them and all of the teachings takes time to reach the core of the onion. I am just beginning to understand some of the teachings it is offering all of us. Yet, the process is a life long one and I must remain diligent in my practice and always being open minded and objective to what they are truly saying. 25002: Thank you, Ray! So very, very interesting! jeanine_Society: @Mike – I know what you mean…I have been sharing the last book published, “The Greater Community’ lately, but after reading the Guidelines, I plan to switch the the Allies books and the Declaration… Alisa_Russia: @Jeanine – I agree that the Guidelines are very “meaty” and give a lot of material for consideration. I find more things strike me, the more I read them. However, the first time, I was struck by Point 25. 25. Maintain your confidence in yourself and in the power and the potency of the human family. Do not lose confidence in human leaders or institutions, regardless of their fallacies or their errors. Humanity has the hidden strength to ward off intervention and persuasion and to emerge into a Greater Community of intelligent life as a free and self-determined race. Never allow anything to displace this faith and this confidence, for there are many forces in the world today who are seeking to do just that.” I think it is very important not to be dissuaded by other forces or persuasive minds. I strongly believe in the power and potency of the human family to come through, particularly if we are bringing Knowledge to the forefront of our actions. Selma London: I see this happening today, perhaps particularly in America, even with the bickering taking place between & amongst leaders themselves – they also need our strength, confidence & unity:
“Maintain your confidence in yourself and in the power and the potency of the human family. Do not lose confidence in human leaders or institutions, regardless of their fallacies or their errors. Humanity has the hidden strength to ward off intervention and persuasion and to emerge into a Greater Community of intelligent life as a free and self-determined race. Never allow anything to displace this faith and this confidence, for there are many forces in the world today who are seeking to do just that.” Guidelines
Kari_H_Finland: @Mike, yes humanity needs strength now as it feels weak and unworthy in these times
manuel germany :): That the former Revelations given to humanity can not prepare to the greatest event and challenge humanity (and every race) faces: contact with intelligent life in the universe.
That humanity is lagging behind in its preparation.
That we need to build a broader understanding and perspective about the Greater Community Spirituality.
That our responses must come out of the middle ground, like Epikur (greek philosopher) stated to be moderate in life and take the “golden midway” and shall not be based neither on fear nor on unbounded optimism. A man or a woman of Knowledge know how to respond to this in a moderate way (objectively how it is).
Both extreme responses, to fear and optimism are relatively easy.
And that we, humanity, must unite and cooperate within the human family if we are to survive and maintain our freedom. So it is relevant to all the people, as it will impact on us all and our children and their children. So the solution is to take the Steps To Knowledge, which is…
manuel germany :): … the core spiritual teaching and practice for this time and times to come. Tonia_Denmark: Thank you, Jeanine. The first one that really stood out, was no.6) “Think of yourself as living within a Greater Community og intelligent life, a Greater Community where life has evolved and where technology has acclerated, but a Greater Community with the limits of physical universe that are still impinging on everyone who exists in the physical universe.” – This represent a whole new way of looking at the world around me, which should emerge as this undertaking is going on, while taking the Steps. Tonia_Denmark: Living within the world, represents a balance, which is on my focus a lot. Discerning, which is what? Is there any congruence? ray_Colorado: Paul_MA: “God has given you a deeper conscious, this conscious exists beyond your social conditioning or your social conscious, your family and your culture and your environment in growing up has inculcated in you certain kind of social conscious; proper behavior proper manner following rules or guidelines, … and so forth established by your family culture and perhaps religion but God has placed a deeper conscious within you that is not bound by these things. When you go against your deeper conscious you feel bad and if you continue in this way you will feel disconnected from yourself, and because this disconnection is so disconcerting and produces so much suffering you begin to build an identity outside yourself. You make compromises you adjust your thinking; you find excuses and validation from others and then really you are living a life that is not authentic, it is a life not based on who you are, then you can be persuaded to do almost anything.” (Eight Guidelines for… Chrysostomos: @Amina except Putin I would suggest Ellia II Patriarch of Georgia MaryS_Boulder: This is a constant challenge, the confusion being generated by the deceptions of the Intervention. “Do not let anyone persuade you that those forces who are intervening in the world are here for the benefit of humanity. This represents confusion on the part of the human family and deception on part of those forces who are here already.” Mike_LF_CAL: @Alisa_Russia, I like you points, ESPECIALLY this one ” Humanity has the hidden strength to ward off intervention and persuasion and to emerge into a Greater Community of intelligent life as a free and self-determined race.” This point in particular we must contemplate as it speaks to Knowledge!!!! Gina_Boulder: @Mike, yes that impacted me as well. “…with as many people as possible” When I share The Allies Briefings I can feel how my whole mental state and sense of energy shifts. I feel full, I feel alive, I feel connected. I feel that i’m doing, at least partly, what I came here to do. Aurora_Hawaii: #25 is a challenge for me, I’d been thinking that “personal sovereignty” is required here and now because our leaders have been co-opted, which makes this advice a challenge: “25. … Do not lose confidence in human leaders or institutions, regardless of their fallacies or their errors. …” I won’t snipe, but I do think we need our own Knowledge to maneuver. MVS Society: The Intervention will always seek to have people and nations focused in conflict and difficulty with one another and not with the Intervention, so that its presence and activities continue to go unnoticed in the world. Amina Russia: @Chrysostomos, thank you, i will surely consider that after making a little research on this person,not sure if this is the same person i think of Kari_H_Finland: @Jeffrey “Understand that humanity has a destiny in the Greater Community, a destiny as a free and self-determined race.” This speaks to me strongly as I have realized that freedom is rare in the universe and in our local space. Humanity is unique in this sense and I honor that highly. Kristina FL: Guidelines 5. said: “Support the disclosure of the extraterrestrial presence—disclosure from governments, disclosure from the Intervention itself and disclosure from the public, who has already been impacted in so many ways.” Question:Disclosure from the intervention itself? What does it mean? Jorge_Spain: Although it is a side issue, I’m still unclear about who did the Declaration of Human Sovereignty, and when. Could anyone clarify this? Cameron_Canada: @Paul – It is coming to my attention that this world is already far more highjacked that I realized. jeanine_Society: @Tonia – yes and another guideline that mentions ‘technology’ I’d like to put up on a billboard: ““Recognize that advanced technology does not equal advanced ethics and morality…” Betty_UK: Thank you for sharing this struggle of re-evaluation, we all went through this, it takes courage to see something a new, and STk has help me tremendously. Kristina_Boulder: This past week thought me to look at my life as a bigger picture, why am I here and to remember about The Greater Community and the preparation that I need to follow. It is so easy to identify yourself with a “role”, with your job and so on, and when something disrupts this habitual, comfortable environment then people feel lost and don’t know where they belong. I feel lucky that I learned about NMFG and about the Greater Community and can pull myself from my daily challenges when needed and remind myself of what’s really important and where I should place my energy and focus. Diane S. New Mexico: What stood out for me was #18: Recognize that advanced technology does not equal advanced ethics and morality…for in many cases you are more advanced than they are in your awareness of the reality of God and the nature of your own spirituality. Alisa_Russia: The next one I resonated with was No. 26 “26. Recognize to what degree you may have a Greater Community heritage and reality within yourself. The possibility is that you have lived in other worlds and that your experience of the Greater Community is part of your foundation. Accept this as a possibility, and allow the revelations regarding this, whatever they may be, to emerge in your mind over time. You are a citizen not only of this one world, but of a Greater Community of intelligent life, and this represents, in a greater context, the meaning and the power of your relationships and spirituality.” This is becoming more and more obvious to me as I continue to study. Something that was just a vague feeling before is becoming blatantly clear. And I think this applies to all of us here. With this background we create a force to be reckoned with. MaryL_Boulder: @Jeanine et others..yes.these guidelines would be very powerful in PQ, as comments on Youtube, FB or anyplace visible to humanity Alison_Boulder: As someone who likes lists, I found these numbered guidelines very pullable for advocating, with clear points that begin with directive-language. “Understand that..” “Do not think that..”, which call out and challenge the common beliefs in UFO circles. It says “Look to the stars with clarity and sobriety,” and not with hopeful belief. Paul_MA: A growing realization: As we may not be able to directly see the activities of the Intervention or their Actors, we can certainly see the “finger-prints” or their tracks left behind….LIke a smoking gun, we can see the effects, but possibly not the direct actions… Russell_Sask: Once upon a time it was recommended that the watching of most television shows is a distraction to Students of Knowledge. Not having television for a few decades made that easy for me. However recently with the addition of Netflix and computer research links, I am enjoying revisiting what occurred way back when in the Star Trek Series. What become obvious is the perceived intention to desensitize the public to the presence of Alien Species throughout the universe. Back then many may not believed the presence to be real as it was only Sci Fi and easily dismissed. The theme was correct as well. Aliens including us in our exploration of space in need of resources. Discerning good from bad, hostile or not was also a difficult task. Have we learned this ability yet? Are we able to think before acting? Debbie_MI: I find that number five strikes me as particularly important regarding” support the disclosure of the extraterrestrial presence.” This is a huge challenge and yet it is so very important to the future of mankind. Just imagine how different everything would be if it were officially acknowledged and every single person in the world knew that the extraterrestrial presence was a fact. Carol_Society: @Alisa: Yes, Guideline 25 also stood out for me. The antidote to hopelessness: “But be of good cheer, for a Great Message has been sent into the world from the Creator of all life in the Universe. Have greater confidence that the power and presence of Knowledge is within you, and [as] you learn to take the Steps to Knowledge, you will find its power, grace and guidance for yourself and for others. And you will see that you truly were created by God and sent into the world for a greater purpose and that you have a greater destiny beyond this world and a greater future within and beyond the boundaries of time. (The New God) Tyyne_Society: Thank you, Marshall. Distraction and conflict among nations and peoples and not on what puts humanity at the most serious risk of losing our self-determination and freedom. Kelvin_Boulder: @Jeanine, in regards to Guidelines for Preparing for the Greater Community. There is this strengthening the signal, maintaining that relationship with our awareness that can so easily be watered down by struggle, self obsession and life in general. We have a relationship to keep and for that we must keep feeding it…. Will_Society: @Jorge The Declaration of Human Sovereignty was written and revised by “the Human Sovereignty Working Group,” about a dozen or so people gathered in Colorado, informed by the New Message and the Allies of Humanity Briefings. 57435: What stood out for me this time around is #3. Learn what you can about the presence of foreign forces in the world. I’ve been so focused on the New Message, I have not paid enough attention to this. Aurora_Hawaii: @manuel resonates – If I walk with an attitude of “be neither for nor against”, I fund my knowledge is there to assist in required actions. Kristina_Boulder: @Alisa, this reminds me of a chapter I read yesterday. Perception. W1 Paul_MA: Kristina:….”Why am I here?..I have been pondering this too. For what reason have I been sent here/now to this planet?….My Life Mission… MaryS_Boulder: @Cameron, me too, (“coming to my attention that this world is already far more highjacked that I realized.”) seeing distinct phases in the strategy and direction of the Intervention. But only momentarily dismayed when I remember to calibrate the accomplishment of the New Message reaching the world. Mike_LF_CAL: @Kristina FL, “Question:Disclosure from the intervention itself? What does it mean?” I am curious about this too. Alison_Boulder: @Debbie yes, and if we began to take abduction by aliens as seriously as we do among humans. 58723: @ Kelvin, Yes. Strength of signal… What struck me about the Guidelines is the level of clarity they provide. There is no ambiguity, no confusion, no middle ground. It is very clear. 25002: Mike, this passage was also the one that stood out for me, the encouragement to send the Declaration to the gov. I have to check the translation with the team, and get it sent! ray_Colorado: “You have come into the world at a great time, a time of great change, of great risk but also great promise. You have come bearing a deeper nature and a deeper spiritual reality. You have been given a body as a physical vehicle and an intellect as a vehicle of communication to express yourself in this world, and to discern, discover and express your greater purpose, and to contribute unique gifts concerning certain people, in certain situations. Yet, only Knowledge within you knows who these people are, …. and where these situations can be found. ” (Eight Guidelines For Discovering Your Higher Purpose ) https://newknowledgeli…load/ Kristina FL: Thank you Marshall, good reminder to keep with me throughout the day, not to fall into conflict over meaningless things. Amina Russia: @Kristina_Boulder, yes, surely we are lucky to know about NMFG and keep us going and makes us stronger with every day Jim B. Upstate Ny: The rev. “Human responses to the GC” hold much in their approach and for me are tied to the Guidelines significantly. There are 3 responses that we all held or hold still in our approach to what is being said in the Guidelines. 1. Some people will move towards it. 2. some will move away from it and 3 some will move against it. “These are the 3 possible responses that any person can have to new ideas and to new experience.” I cherish this information for it makes me look at my approach and my willingness to change. Many people will not be able to do this for reasons we all have experienced. Yet, to plant the seed which Marshall said a few weeks ago is the approach needed within ourselves and within others. It takes great discernment and discretion to be able to do this effectively. This is where Knowledge is oh so necessary. Selma London: Within myself there is a gradual augmentation of my sense of Universal Citizenship & beyond, so that the feeling of not belonging here, or even within the WWC, is no longer so odious (this I say as someone who managed eventually to become ‘human’, and who is very dedicated here to the WWC, and committed to the Mission of the NMG):
“Recognise to what degree you may have a Greater Community heritage and reality within yourself. The possibility is that you have lived in other worlds and that your experience of the Greater Community is part of your foundation. Accept this as a possibility, and allow the revelations regarding this, whatever they may be, to emerge in your mind over time. You are a citizen not only of this one world, but of a Greater Community of intelligent life, and this represents, in a greater context, the meaning and the power of your relationships and spirituality.”
25002: Ray, much love for what you’re sharing here! Mike_LF_CAL: @Jorge_Spain, who wrote up the “Declaration of Human Sovereignty” another good question… 49823: I feel the Guidelines for Preparing for the Greater Community to be so strong in their educating ability that to distinguish any of the 28 to from any of the others to be of a greater or outstanding from the others, I cannot do. Everyone of them has its truth and necessity and could well replace the Ten Commandments in the future. Amina Russia: @Chrysostomos, excellent suggestion, thank you,,,i see it now! Tonia_Denmark: Second was 15) “Denounce war as a weakening of the human family in the face of the Greater Community.. Emphasize unity and coorporation in humanity facing the Great Waves of change and preparing for it great encounters with the Greater Community in which it exists.” – This one stood out for me too, as it represents a really large and important undertaking within the human family as well. This puts a large responsibility on our shoulders in the future about what choices we make being part of this community. ray_Colorado: “You can see within these guidelines that they represent a great spectrum, going from the center and the depths of your own inner experience all the way out to the greater movement of life within your world and the greater events that will shape humanity’s future and destiny. These guidelines are very general of course, and require much clarification and education. Only the New Message from God can reveal what all of this means and how it is all connected, and why you are in the world at this time, and why you are designed the way you are designed uniquely, to make a unique contribution to life.” (Eight Guidelines for Discovering Your Higher Purpose)https://newknowledgeli…load/ Will_Society: @Jorge As I recall, and it’s been quite some time, the working group didn’t sign names to it because it is for humanity to adopt and sign, or adapt as needed, and signing it seemed premature? Who represents a fractured humanity? Diane S. New Mexico: I agree with you, Allison on the Alien abductions. These are not taken seriously at all… Cole_Boulder: @Kelvin, thank you for your comments here, this speaks to me: “There is this strengthening the signal, maintaining that relationship with our awareness that can so easily be watered down by struggle, self obsession and life in general. We have a relationship to keep and for that we must keep feeding it….” Paul_MA: Prepare yourself for the Great Waves of change that are coming to the world so that you may be in a strong position to navigate these GW of change & to be of SERVICE to others—#11. Tuukka Finland: I’m reminded of a New Message passage:
“It is easy to become jaded about the world. It is easy to be critical and condemning of others. It is easy and that is why many people do this. But it is more challenging and more difficult to look beneath the surface, to take the time to really understand why certain things are happening and to explore how they can be resolved. ” – Real Change
nenette_istanbul: Thank you @MVS: ”The Intervention will always seek to have people and nations focused in conflict and difficulty with one another and not with the Intervention, so that its presence and activities continue to go unnoticed in the world.” Shrimayi Netherlands: @ Jeanine 14 Look to see if you have had any contact with extraterrestrial forces yourself, either through the mental environment or through direct physical contact. Be courageous in asking yourself, “Have I had any direct contact with an extraterrestrial force? And if so, what was the nature of the contact and what occurred?”
I always thought not. But this did not happen fysical. But I will explore this more if this happened in the mental environment.
57435: #25 is one I need to read everyday given the chaos in the world at this time. “Maintain your confidence in yourself and in the power and the potency of the human family. Do not lose confidence in human leaders or institutions, regardless of their fallacies or their errors. Humanity has the hidden strength to ward off intervention and persuasion and to emerge into a Greater Community of intelligent life as a free and self-determined race. Never allow anything to displace this faith and this confidence, for there are many forces in the world today who are seeking to do just that.” Paul_MA: There is much to grapple with and much contained within this gift… But to put it into perspective, each of these teachings are meant to serve humanity well into the future…thus they must contain a great breadth and depth of meaning. Gina_Boulder: #25″Maintain your confidence in yourself and in the power and the potency of the human family…” This one challenges me to speak more for the strengths and potent natural qualities of humans, though they may seem latent. I will hold this one close because I can do this everyday as I hear much about what is “wrong” with people. Chrysostomos: @ Amina there are two old prophesies regarding our times, One that the Elia II will be the last patriarch in Georgia and 2nd Pope Francis will be the last Pope (Currently the Catholics have 3 Popes including the black Pope) MVS Society: Kristina FL: At one level, disclosure from the Intervention is our seeing how they seek to present themselves through their agents and advocates. Yet to interpret this correctly, you would need to have a GC awareness and be strong enough with Knowledge to have the eyes to see and the ears to hear. Though we know they will not do this, for the Intervention to truly disclose they would have to announce their presence, purpose and activities being in the world Mike_LF_CAL: @Alisa_Russia (8:20), if the universe is 13 Billion years old, how many life times on other worlds could that add up to??????? Kristina FL: Shrimayi, 1. this stood out to me also… i asked this many times before and what my “body responded” to it made me angry.
MaryS_Boulder: Back to J9 on choosing to share the Allies and the Declaration over The Greater Community, (maybe a little God-centric for the general audience?), this Guideline is pertinent, as I love best of all to take people straight to the Steps, Guideline 22:
“Learn The Way of Knowledge and build your foundation in Knowledge so that it may protect you against persuasion and intervention and that it may guide you forward in service to humanity—to prepare humanity to become more united and more determined and more capable of responding and functioning within a Greater Community of life.”
Alisa_Russia: @Mike – mind-boggling indeed! Many of us must be pretty ancient Marianna: This stood out to me. Do not let anyone persuade you that those forces who are intervening in the world are here for the benefit of humanity. This represents confusion on the part of the human family and deception on part of those forces who are here already.
Here in Greece the intervention use the Ancient Gods .They are in space and soon they are coming to save the world. Also the New age spirituality does the same, so I think that we have to be more discern.
Marianna: The other point is
Look to see if you have had any contact with extraterrestrial forces yourself, either through the mental environment or through direct physical contact. Be courageous in asking yourself, “Have I had any direct contact with an extraterrestrial force? And if so, what was the nature of the contact and what occurred?”
I think that I had many contacts trying to persuate me to use my talents to help to save the humanity. I allways answered no, something inside me say to dont trust them.
ray_Colorado: “The Fifth Guideline: You must take the Steps to Knowledge, building a connection between your surface mind where you live, where you identify yourself, to your deeper nature and to the greater purpose that it holds for you. There are many pathways to Knowledge but most of these pathways are secret and hard to find, they do not represent the public spiritual teachings that you see everywhere around you for people are trying to live according to precepts, or guidelines or certain kinds of practices alone. The journey to Knowledge is deeper and more profound; humanity has only discovered this reality to a very limited degree but it is available to all whether they be rich or poor, in every faith and tradition, in every country, in every culture. Real teachers here are hard to find though they exist in every country. They are not the popular teachers on the television; they are not the teachers that have great crowds coming to them to hear their sermons of admonition. It is because of… ray_Colorado: … this that the Creator of all life has sent preparation into the world so that people from all walks of life can practice the way of Knowledge, … and can take the Steps to Knowledge on their own. ” (Eight Guidelines For Discovering Your Higher Purpose ) https://newknowledgeli…load/ nenette_istanbul: I still have so many negative ways and thoughts on my part and really need to get rid all of it. jeanine_Society: @Shrimayi – yes good for us to really be with those questions. It is easy for us to have our preferences…take some time and see what comes up… Betty_UK: Hi Jeanine & Tyyne, re the guidelines for preparing for the GC, unity starts with the developments that each indvidual gain in the way of Knowledge, and how those who gained a greater freedom would become in some way a focused group mind, that become a counter force for good in the world. The question that came up in relations to conflicts, who is paying attention to the forces within one that advocate conflicts, external and internal forces of persuations, own believes, desires, etc… and how do one respond to these forces? Alisa_Russia: @ Selma (6:24PM) “Within myself there is a gradual augmentation of my sense of Universal Citizenship & beyond, so that the feeling of not belonging here, or even within the WWC, is no longer so odious (this I say as someone who managed eventually to become ‘human’, and who is very dedicated here to the WWC, and committed to the Mission of the NMG).” You express the same sentiments I am feeling. Kristina FL: Thank you Marshall for explaining. Announcing their present publicly would not be a good sign for humanity. Gina_Boulder: @Kristina FL, Shrimayi…14 is an opportunity to ask and then have an experience of the answer. I feel it is important to call forward our studenthood in this approach since we have been given so many pictures, ideas and stories about abduction and mental environment influence. I found to ask again, and again, to give myself greater permission to really feel the response, like you mentioned Kristina, in my body. jeanine_Society: @MaryS – yes good to have different material to choose from for different people…I recall Marshall has spoken about listening to people to see where they are at, and to see a way in… Kelvin_Boulder: @Nennette as Jeanine said earlier in the chat >> “Be kind and patient with yourself. Anger, frustration, sadness, despair all come up along the way to be flushed out of you.” Kristina_Boulder: What struck me is this definition of Knowledge that I came across.” At the very surface of Knowledge is the experience of profound intuition, the experience of profound insight and knowing. That is at the surface of Knowledge. Beyond the surface is the total experience of life in this world and beyond this world for you to have while you are still here.” I think most of us experienced the first part, but second part requires longer preparation and is essential to Greater Community awareness. I think no matter how much you read about the GC it can not compare to experience or remembrance. MaryS_Boulder: Re: @Kristina’s question that Marshall answered, “they will not do this, for the Intervention to truly disclose they would have to announce their presence, purpose and activities being in the world.” Another student has observed it is not in the interest of the Intervention to disclose before they are completely assured of success. I may have skewed it a bit there. brb, I’ll check. Kari_H_Finland: “Part of their agenda is to take the brightest and most freethinking individuals, those who are perhaps the least traditional or conventional in their approach, and to pacify them.” [Human Responses to the Greater Community] @Marianna, thank you for being strong with Knowledge Reed_Society: @Kristina_Boulder, thank you for sharing: “It is so easy to identify yourself with a “role”, with your job and so on, and when something disrupts this habitual, comfortable environment then people feel lost and don’t know where they belong.” It is difficult to straddle two realities, to live in two worlds: the worlds of the normal, agreed upon, consensus world, and the world of the future, the world of the horizon line, where few live and few are courageous enough to venture. It is not easy. And yet it is easy to slip into the consensus world, to forget the bigger picture and identify with the human comings and goings all around us. And yet “when something disrupts this habitual, comfortable environment” it is so disturbing, people try to turn away and become reabsorbed in the comfortable bounds of personal reality and yet, we know, that there is a ceaseless onset of new realities coming to this world—Great Waves realities, Greater Community realities, thank God we know this and will… Reed_Society: … not be so disturbed when it comes, not so disoriented because we have pre-oriented ourselves to these coming realities. This is the gift of this preparation, and when the new reality truly comes and seems to overtake this world, to envelop it, causing great instability and confusion and backlash, we will be solid and grounded according to it, not in avoidance of it, and can help others who do not have this grounding. To be oriented and grounded to the reality of a coming storm, before the storm comes, will yield great benefits for ourselves and others when the storm finally arrives. Aurora_Hawaii: @ Alisa, similar with me – I was so enamored with the concept of “Star People” – until I realized we are on a planet – we will be a part of the Greater Community, we ARE Star People too. MaryL_Boulder: @Kristina, there already is a candidate in the US running for office who disclosed that she was taken aboard a spaceship. This raised a flag for me as the short blurb did not say what her views about the alien intervention. If the voting public accepts her then it may be a sign that the public will not automatically judge her to be unfit or too ‘crazy’ to be elected. ray_Colorado: “The greater powers within you are connected to the greater powers beyond you. They will respond to one another. You cannot incite the greater powers on your own until you come into service to the greater powers beyond yourself. This is a common mistake that many people make a very consequential error it is and can lead to dangerous pursuits leading a person to become ever more unstable and disassociated from the world around them.
Knowledge here must become your guiding principle… as to what must be approached and what must be avoided. What is a fruitful pursuit and what is a dangerous one? What forces in the mental environment are beneficial and what will undermine your confidence? There are even forces can take control of your mind.
There are hazards here as there are hazards in all aspects of life and in all endeavors. You cannot have a foolish or childish approach to these greater things without putting yourself in jeopardy and making many false claims and assumptions. There are…
ray_Colorado: … hazards in the mental environment and there are hazards approaching the greater powers within yourself and beyond yourself.
Here Knowledge within you is of essential importance for it will determine that which must be approached and that which must be avoided that which is true and that which is untrue that which you must find and that which you must avoid but this also requires wise companionship with others for you cannot see everything on your own and everyone has blind spots, things that they cannot see directly and discern correctly. ” (Higher Powers)https://newknowledgeli…load/
Martin_Australia: @Mike, you may have to wait a long time before you get the opportunity to come back into the physical form, so that would be hard to calculate. Mike_LF_CAL: @Will, thanks for addressing @Jorge’s question! Suba Cro: Is there a threshold in public objection/protest about the Intervention at which the Intervention must disclose itself? Looking at this in the light of possible existance of some TGC law enforcement bodies. Tyyne_Society: @Kristina FL. Yes. Anger. When I first became aware of what was occurring in the world to so many people I was very angry. I remember walking out in the field of the farm house I was living in at the time and looking up to the sky, shaking my fist and saying, “How dare you! How dare you do this to our men, women and children. You have no right!” Abduction is a violation of the most basic of human rights and dignity. It is a violation. Period. These guidelines spell out the situation clearly. Our collective efforts and strength can bring this violation to light in the clearest way possible. Through the Messenger, our first GC Messenger, we have the tools to become clear and strong. Through the Message we have the greatest gift possible that can lead to our freedom and salvation. Critical times we live in. Education, awareness and Knowledge. It is all there for us now and for others who will find this through our advocacy. Selma London: MaryL, but she may be ‘compromised’ – that candidate in the US running for office who disclosed that she was taken aboard a spaceship. Jens_Denmark: One that stood out for me was no. “5. Support the disclosure of the extraterrestrial presence—disclosure from governments, disclosure from the Intervention itself and disclosure from the public, who has already been impacted in so many ways.” And hello Tonia. Tonia_Denmark: The last one that stood out for me was 16) “Share the Allies of Humanity Briefings with as many people as possible. Send the Declaration to your friends and associates and to government leaders…….” this is really powerful, and an eyeopener too to act. I like that it specific says how to do so. Amina Russia: @Kristina, yes, as it says in one of the Steps, “Knowledge is more powerful than you realize. It is also more wonderful than you realize”. David_Drimmel: ” To be oriented and grounded to the reality of a coming storm, before the storm comes, will yield great benefits for ourselves and others when the storm finally arrives.” Thank you Reed. Mike_LF_CAL: @Tuukka Finland, (8:29),thanks for that quote! That’s one worth keeping in your back pocket at all times! ray_Colorado: “You need wise companions you need a true teacher eventually for you cannot lead yourself for you do not know where you are going. You need the correct preparation for there are many preparations that will take you nowhere or are only there to enhance your personality and they may speak of greater powers greater forces they may even speak of miracles and sainthood but they cannot lead you up this greater mountain and there are many foolish and incorrect beliefs and pursuits and assumptions that pervade the spiritual landscape especially to the extent it has been made available to a public that has no true purpose and does not understand its true nature of engagement with greater powers. Knowledge within you will initiate a relationship with the greater powers and these greater powers are really greater individuals they are not merely forces of persuasion that exist in the mental environment they are actually greater individuals but this engagement will not be on your terms and it will… ray_Colorado: … not meet your romantic notions nor can you use them to offset your own insecurity and to bolster yourself for they will not respond to you unless your request is authentic and you are actually in a position to see know and do greater things. They will set the terms of engagement because they are wise and powerful you are the young apprentice that does not know anything and are still filled with false assumptions and incorrect ideas but again we must warn you that the greatest emphasis here is on the power of Knowledge within yourself for there are greater powers in the mental environment that are extremely dangerous and you must have the guidance of Knowledge to know when and where and how to apply yourself here. There are powerful individuals beyond your visual range beyond your sensory perception who you should not be in contact with under any circumstances though they may appear to be very alluring and powerful. This is not meant to discourage you but to prepare you to forewarn… Kristina FL: Gina.. with the practice of Steps to Knowledge the influence was slowly lifted, Steps are the only thing i know which can help to gain back the integrity and strength. Marianna: It means you must have a strong enough sense of the presence of Knowledge within yourself, a pervasive presence that is the ground of your Being—beneath and above and beyond your intellect.People call this a “gut feeling” because it is experienced much more physically. But Knowledge is more than a gut feeling. It is a greater intelligence within you. If it does not want something you think you want, then you should not pursue that thing. If it creates a sense of restraint or resistance, you must hold yourself back, for you are about to make a very dangerous and consequential decision. Alisa_Russia: @Aurora – yes! I sometimes get glimpes of past incarnations on other planets during my stillness practice these days. Levy_Brazil: @Suba, regarding “threshold in public objection/protest about the Intervention”, the Allies say if we have a voice strong enough in the world, against the Intervention, they must withdraw, and that we have these rights. Other intervention attempts would always be attempted, but if we face this first “wave”, we will have matured a bit more in preparation for the following waves of intervention. David_Drimmel: @Kristina_Boulder, where is this? “At the very surface of Knowledge is the experience of profound intuition, the experience of profound insight and knowing. That is at the surface of Knowledge. Beyond the surface is the total experience of life in this world and beyond this world for you to have while you are still here.” Amina Russia: @MaryL_Boulder, what you said about the candidate made me to remember what Hillary Clinton said last year in one of her interviews: “If you choose me as your President i will reveal to public all the truth about the aliens”. James_Boulder: @ thanks Reed “To be oriented and grounded to the reality of a coming storm, before the storm comes”… reason to give thanks for the inner storms we all encounter at this time, opportunities to orient and ground in the midst of upheaval. Paul_MA: Amina–Regarding Hillary Clinton; see the Rockefeller Initiative. Levy_Brazil: @Suba, from Allies Book 3: “At this moment, the Intervention has few critics. But if enough people can become aware of it and speak out against it, the Intervention will be thwarted and must withdraw.” Jeanne-Boulder: Diane S. New Mexico: Selma…you make a good point about that candidate being compromised… I agree Shrimayi Netherlands: @ Kristina I feel I am not involved fysical. But I have my doubt on other levels, I was always thinking of forces who wanted to take my energy. But never thought of the Intervention. James_Boulder: “Think of yourself as living within a greater community of intelligent life…”
This expanded, zoomed out, perspective runs in direct opposition to the interventions encouragement to zoom in, to become small minded and self obsessed.
There is a “don’t look here, don’t feel that, don’t notice this…” sort of influence from the intervention that constricts our range of awareness. Constriction or avoidance in one area translates into a limitation across all the areas. If I am avoidant of something I know to do, even if its very small, I am limited in my access to Knowledge. If we are turning a blind eye to the interventions presence we are also tragically removed from the depth and breadth of the epic of life, its calling, beauty, and expression. So the interventions influence to narrow and deceive actually cuts us off from a broader experience of God.
nenette_istanbul: Thank you @Reed respond to Re:Kristina shared:..””when something disrupts this habitual, comfortable environment” it is so disturbing, people try to turn away and become reabsorbed in the comfortable bounds of personal reality and yet, we know, that there is a ceaseless onset of new realities coming to this world—Great Waves realities, Greater Community realities, thank God we know this and will…not be so disturbed when it comes, not so disoriented because we have pre-oriented ourselves to these coming realities.” Amina Russia: @Paul_MA, thank you, i am very curious, will surely check it out Martin_Australia: Marianna, good observation. The intervention does play on the history and religious symbols of humanity, using the names of Greek Gods, Egyptian Gods, Atlantians, Hathors, Lemurians, etc. MaryL_Boulder: @Selma, yes I suspected her to be one of those who will speak for and not against the intervention. Suba Cro: @Levy Thanks! I have yet to read Allies book 2 & 3. The New Message seemed much more important at this moment. ray_Colorado: “You must have a serious mind and a careful approach this is not a past time you are dealing with here or a hobby. That is why The New Revelation emphasizes taking the Steps to Knowledge as a prerequisite and also as a concurrent study to any other activity of education or contact you might have. People are giving themselves over to the extraterrestrial presence in the world thinking it is spiritual and almost angelic. They do not realize they are dealing with a dangerous presence whose purpose is to undermine human freedom and sovereignty in this world despite the proclamations to the contrary. ” (Higher Powers) https://newknowledgeli…load/ Will_Society: @Mike and Jorge, it is also significant that Marshall Vian Summers was an instrumental member of the working group, and also that the Declaration of Human Sovereignty used the United States Declaration of Independence as a template and inspiration.
Levy_Brazil: “Until there is a strong voice resisting the Intervention that is made known and public, it will appear to outside observers that the Intervention is being welcomed by humanity and is being advocated by humanity. Already, the Intervention has many speakers and representatives, but few vocal critics. Even your vocal criticism creates problems for the Intervention. Even for people to speak out and say, “No, this is wrong! We are being visited against our will! We are being persuaded and manipulated against our will! This must not happen! We do not welcome this! And we demand that the visitors leave!” Until these voices are heard, it will appear to governing bodies and to those who compete with these Collectives, that they are here with human consent. Even to arouse a public outcry would have great benefit here for you.”
– Allies Book 2
Tonia_Denmark: Maybe this is a silly question, but most of my friends are really poor at speaking English. Do we translate it or not? I mean it is beautifully ssaid and translating it, can not really make up for the same, if I was to translate it, I think. Or is patience good, in order to know when to do what and where and with whom? (Guess I’d pick the last one myself : ) Selma London: Suba & Levy, also if we’ve stated our terms, then perhaps in future, once the Intervention is thwarted, maybe we’ll have the rights to demand they hand over records of abductees and stolen natural resources etc – there may be some compensation. In any case, we have to learn how to demonstrate that we are setting boundaries and are a no-go area for crooks and plunderers. Erik_OR: Thanks for that reminder, Levy! Mike_LF_CAL: @Martin, but there the “bandwidth” is very broad! 25002: Yes, Nenette, wow: ”The Intervention will always seek to have people and nations focused in conflict and difficulty with one another and not with the Intervention, so that its presence and activities continue to go unnoticed in the world.” ray_Colorado: “You must approach this with humility and reverence and not claim that you understand these things or you will only proclaim your foolishness and lack of preparation. That which is manifest can be comprehended it can be fixed it can be altered in most cases that which is beyond the physical must be approached very differently and here you cannot be reverent to all things for there are forces in the mental environment that are entirely harmful.” (Higher Powers) MaryL_Boulder: @Amina, yes but I suspect her too. Who can speak the truth except for the Allies of Humanity and the New Message. I trust what comes from our Source and those races who follow Knowledge. Tyyne_Society: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty is so powerful. I’m grateful to everyone who worked together to create this document. Kari_H_Finland: @Levy “…speak out against it [Intervention]” This I am still learning to do… nenette_istanbul: ” It is now the sacred right and duty of the People of Earth to oppose, resist, and repel this extraterrestrial intervention, to declare and defend our sovereignty, our freedom, and our independence from all extraterrestrial forces.” http://humansovereignty.org/ MaryS_Boulder: I second @James, David, Reed, “To be oriented and grounded to the reality.” It is everything. Ilhun_Switzerland: Thank you, Levy. “… Already, the Intervention has many speakers and representatives, but few vocal critics. Even your vocal criticism creates problems for the Intervention….” Aurora_Hawaii: @James Good insight! constricts our awareness and our freedom to discuss, act, think. Heidi_Germany: When the Declaration of Sovereignty are translated in other languages, is there a chance to get the translation on the website? Patricia_Society: @[email protected]@Will. Yes, the HS working group was headed by MVS and the United States’ Declaration of Independence was a guiding tool and template. It is a very moving and powerful experience to read the Declaration and to consider that it stands to represent all the people of this planet, Earth. Mathieu_France: @Reed: we are preparing for a world that is not the world we had lived in. The challenge is that it sets us apart from most people, the gift is that we can prepare and in time be in position to give to the others and to that new world coming. I felt that since a long time, although it took long to realize what I was feeling, and I often felt ambivalent towards this comfortable world we currently live in: appreciating its comfort, and yet feeling it so empty, feeling stranger to it and unable to find my real purpose in it, and perhaps because the greatest part of my life is tied to this future more than to the past. Paul_MA: As a pathway to the NMG, I find people much more open to listening to the GWC than the Intervention. If they can find their way to the NM Website, then they will see the connection to the Intervention and GC. Tonia_Denmark: It is beautifully said and eloquently put, Tyyne. Thank you and the others too who worked togethe in this! Mike_LF_CAL: @Martin, a rough estimate (very rough), if you lived 1 lifetime every saw 500 yrs, 13×10^9/500 = 26Million… Levy_Brazil: @Heidi, I think for any translations of the Declaration you should send them to Mathieu Betty_UK: Hi Levy, re the collective outspoken voice of humanity against the intervention, it has passed my mind in the past, when I seen a friend of mine , not related to the NM, but who demonstrate an outspoken voice for many, I seen her becoming a quite reserved person to someone who fight for other people’s right. It always started with a small number of people, and grew larger. Levy_Brazil: @Mike, maybe we are just a little slow to learn? David_Drimmel: All I can think of when it comes to preparing for the greater community – As natives to the Earth, the stewards of our planet, we carry with us an important seed for humanity to grow into our rightful place in the greater community as a free and determined race. Keeping grounded this seed of knowledge and our intrinsic connection to the greater community and our spiritual family, it is an honor to have this responsibility. It is an honor to have this opportunity to be in the world today, in the beginning of the biggest event in human history. Jorge_Spain: Thank you for offering this understanding, @Will and @Patricia. Ayesha_Society: @Kristina Boulder and Reed, “It is difficult to straddle two realities, to live in two worlds”, and at times it can be difficult not to identify and to remember what our lives are really for and what really matters. It is a balancing act, because in one way I must learn to be a functional and responsible person of the world, and yet being careful of “too much experience obscuring the sense of reality” as Patricia has mentioned so many times in the past. What is this reality and how much do I forget in a given day? Kristina I also share your gratitude of this preparation, this is the compass back to the reality of our lives, “remind myself of what’s really important and where I should place my energy and focus.” Paul_MA: As part of my service to humanity, I am learning Spanish. What teachings have been translated to Spanish? 25002: Levy, Asta here. What you are saying / quoting means that we could comment on posts in the pro-Intervention groups, comment discreetly with statements like this … MaryS_Boulder: I am indebted to Levy for this observation: I’ll be right back with a text that supports it. What it implies to me is a tipping point aspect to disclosure from the intervention, which is my skew on it. “It will be much harder to resist the Intervention once it becomes fully established, thus having *proof* of ET existence.” ray_Colorado: “Those who will visit your world from the Greater Community and those who have visited your world already represent a level of concentration that should incite within you a commitment to develop your mind.” … “You would not be able to think clearly around a Greater Community presence. You would not be able to make your own decisions. You would not be able to discern the actions and motives of others. You would lose both your concentration and your composure in the presence of a more powerful and focused mind. This is not to say that you are deficient or stupid; it is simply to clarify an important law in life—stronger minds influence and dominate weaker minds, and their strength is a function of concentration and motivation.” … “You were taught to pass tests to meet temporary or expedient needs. You were not taught patience or concentration. You were not taught contemplation, …” (WGC2.31 Concentration) … Erik_OR: I was talking to a friend recently about the GC and ET presence in the world today not too long ago. He is studying to become a Catholic priest. Initially, when I brought it up, his disposition seemed to hint at ridicule and disbelief. But when I lowered my voice and emphasized, quietly and sincerely, that this is a very serious issue that needs to be addressed in our world today, his tone changed and he mentioned that even the Pope was open to discussing extraterrestrial life. It seems over time, since the 1950s, our natural curiosity towards life from beyond has been layered over with ridicule, fear, and disbelief which has been an engineered response, and consciously planted in our collective mental environment. Almost out of habit, people defer to the general consensus that it is ridiculous for fear of sounding “out there,” or like some kind of loony. But deep inside, the Knowledge of the GC is still there, and below the social conditioning, the innate curiosity remains. MVS Society: LIGHTS APPEAR IN THE STARLESS SKY
Words & Music by
Marshall Vian Summers
Key of G
G D7 G
1. Lights appear in the starless sky,
G D7 G
Drifting o’er the sleeping night,
C G D-D7
Like tall ships coming from afar,
G D7 G
Like tall ships coming from afar.2. The people gather at the coming light
With thoughts so hopeful and so bright
They gather the village shore like the village child
They gather the village shore like the village childChorus:
C G D-Em
Who will sing alleluia?
C G D Em
Who will sing for the visitor?
C G D Em
Who will sing when the darkness comes?
C G D G
Who will sing alleluia?3. And the people sing with elation
Waiting for their…
MVS Society: … salvation
While the strangers move on towards the shore
While the strangers move on towards the shore.
Who will sing alleluia
Who will sing for the visitor
Who will sing when the darkness comes
Who will sing alleluia?4. But there is one who sits all alone.
With an apprehension he’s never known.
While the singing voices rise nearby,
While the singing voices rise nearby.5. And he looks to the heavens and he looks below.
Knowing the time has come to go.
Knowing the darkness that will fall
Knowing the darkness that will fall.Chorus:
Who will sing alleluia
Who will sing for the visitor
Who will sing when the darkness comes
Who will sing alleluia?
6. Remember what the Fathers told.
About the strangers coming from the other shore.
When the village song would be heard no more
When the village song would be heard no more.
7. Lights appear in the starless sky
Drifting o’er the sleeping night
Like tall ships coming from afar
Like tall ships coming from afar.
Mark_Boulder: The US Declaration of Independence was crafted primarily by Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, but Jefferson was the final “editor” who made key reductions that focused the Declaration into what it is. While the seed of the of the DHS is pure and strong, I feel the DHS needs similar editing and focus to push deeper into human consciousness. Chrysostomos: Yesterday i came across with a very well documented video about how the Aliens are checking sites of nuclear weapons and sometimes deactivate them both in USA and Russia. The author concluded that these aliens were interesting not the humans to mess around with these atomic bombs. My conclusion was completely different. In a nuclear war earth will not be a good farm for them. https://www.youtube.co…tu.be Mike_LF_CAL: But if you think further on it we have to subtract about 5 Billion years for life to evolve (Earth took 3.5 billion for 1 celled critters to show up & THEN ANOTHER 1 BILLION FOR INTELLIGENT life) so its probably closer to this (8 Billion/500 = 16 million)… Kristina_Boulder: @Ayesha, “It is a balancing act,” very true, feels at times like you are walking on a rope and one step to the right or to the left and you are in the deep canyon of life and then have to pull yourself all the way back. jeanine_Society: @Marshall – how wonderful to see the lyrics to your beautiful song – thank you! I only wish we were all gathered so we could sing it all together… Reed_Society: @Suba “Is there a threshold in public objection/protest about the Intervention at which the Intervention must disclose itself?” I couldn’t know the answer to this here on the ground, however there is an important key to resistance and empowerment spoken of in the New Message: other powers are watching this world, watching to see how we react to Intervention, these forces would be opposed to the Intervention but can only act if we humans vocalize our resistance and “make it known” that we do not support this presence here. Then those observing forces can take action, raise the flag that actual invasion is occurring in our world, and the Intervention may then be forced to disclose itself to other governing authorities in the universe, this is one of the blank cards in the deck, a possible means for thwarting the intervention beyond the world. It reminds me of the early US, at war with Britain, reaching out to France, a competitor to Britain, for aid and assistance, who has an interest in… Reed_Society: … Britain not regaining control of its collonies. We are not able to reach out to other powers in the universe. But all we need to do here is “make some noise” and make it observable in human society that a segment of the world does not want this presence here. Paul_MA: Will the new website contain a section on music? This would be a great place to hold music & art of the New Message. MaryL_Boulder: @Jorge, Mike, Will, PS: I was at a table one year (Independence Day) when a mother and her young teenager came by. He took the Declaration of HS and his mother said he already has the Declaration of Independence on his wall and this Declaration of Human Sovereignty will be next to it. My heart leaped at the possibility that he will take a stand against the intervention when becomes an adult because he can already sense the truth without knowing all the details. ray_Colorado: “Development in The Way of Knowledge and in concentration requires instruction. Here it is important to be around individuals who are more concentrated than you are. And they must be significantly more concentrated than you are in order to lift you upwards and to have an effect upon you. Because your lack of concentration will affect them, their impact on you must be greater than your impact on them. They must show you through demonstration what is possible, and if they are true teachers, they will be able to treat you as a unique individual and not as a projection of themselves. They will be able to recognize your path and course of development as unique. You will need individuals such as these as mentors and as companions. Without them, you will try to teach yourself, and that will have only very limited results. True development requires someone else to demand things of you, to demonstrate the path for you and to set the pace at which you must learn to travel. If you select your own… Alisa_Russia: I found these passages from Human Responses to the Greater Community interesting. Not only can human strength fight the Intervention but it can also help to change the Intervention’s approach. “But where human strength can emerge, they will find that humanity will be more than a match, and they will have to adjust their agenda, and they will have to change their approach, and they will have to learn to respect the rights, privileges and dominion of human existence.
Yet you must earn their respect. You must demonstrate your abilities. You must establish your boundaries. You must gain your discernment. You must exercise your authority. Even if you are the only person you know who is doing this, you must do this.”
Kristina FL: Oh Marshall, when i heard this song and( power down) for the first time i had a feeling it is a prophecy in itself. it sounds like we have a power with singing and dancing. Selma London: Beautiful song, Marshall – no longer sitting all alone, though…Thankfully. Rudy_Boulder: Reed, thank you for that, we need to “make some noise” in a constructive manner. I like that. Aurora_Hawaii: @Chrysostomos – I agree – it give me calmness to consider nuclear is probably not a threat, though Douglas_St. Paul: “Perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.” – Ronald Reagan to the United Nations, 1987 Suba Cro: Is the shape of our world in any way relevant to the emergence into The Greater Community? Because as you probably know, there has been some serious debates lately about whether the Earth is flat, a planet or concave earth. I was looking for signs in The New Message for this, but it almost never mentioned anything about the shape of the world. And they call it a world in almost every instance and not a planet. ray_Colorado: “Here you will need people of equal or greater concentration than yourself to be your companions. They will demand things of you, demonstrate things for you and keep you moving forward. Do not choose companions who are less concentrated than you are, for they will take things away from you. They will dilute your focus. They will confuse you. They will generate uncertainty within you, cloud your vision and erode your ability to stay concentrated on your path in life. There are many of these people, and many of them are very charming and lovable, but you must choose your companions wisely. You will not go any further than the weakest relationship that you cherish.” (WGC2.31 Concentration) Jansett_KY: I would never presume to push an agenda regarding NM priorities, but feel moved to state that the power of music is boundless, that people can feel the musician’s energy and it does more for influencing the mental environment than most other pathways. It is persuasive, compelling. I pray there is enough time to produce Marshall’s music and that it can be the Voice heard ’round the world. jeanine_Society: It is time now on the closing hourly, to take a quiet moment with your Self… Kelvin_Boulder: @Chrysostomos, nice lyrics yes, I hope not to be one of those strangers looking up and looking down, knowing that it’s time to go. The prospect of the intervention coming in from afar as saviors to a humanity that could not succeed during the great waves is terrifying. Darlene_Society: @Reed, regarding ” all we need to do here is “make some noise” and make it observable in human society that a segment of the world does not want this presence here.” The Assembly is always pointing to our “foolishness” in broadcasting for all to see our weaknesses. What are the chances of using broadcasting to express our resistance to the Intervention? Inhee_Korea: @Mathieu I agree with you “I often felt ambivalent towards this comfortable world we currently live in: appreciating its comfort, and yet feeling it so empty, feeling stranger to it and unable to find my real purpose in it, and perhaps because the greatest part of my life is tied to this future more than to the past.” 25002: Thank you, MVS! Asta from Denmark here. Would you mind providing a link to the song if it is recorded? ray_Colorado: “You will need very strong companions. You will need people who are dedicated to the truth, to Knowledge and to a greater purpose in life. If this is not the case, you will be fighting a losing battle. For this, you must exercise your inner authority. For this, you must discern that which is valuable in others from that which is not and call upon Knowledge to guide you. Here you will need to exercise concentration and determination. Stronger companions will make you stronger. Weaker companions will make you weaker. The choice is yours. Choose well. There is no exception to this rule.” (WGC2.31 Concentration)
Levy_Brazil: @Kristina_FL: from Allies 2:
“Those neighbors who are not free will look upon the freedoms that you have cultivated thus far with great anxiety and with great concern, not wanting these influences to be exerted within their own worlds. You have no idea what your music and your dance could evoke in such worlds and why they are viewed as a threat to those controlling powers that dominate them.”
Alison_Boulder: @Paul I noticed the Community Site has an activity feed, so in a way you can post updates similar to the timeline on Facebook, and we can all witness real time updates from one another. I’d love to enjoy the art and music of the NM through others this way as just one function of our own WWC site. MaryS_Boulder: Jeanine, that spanking new website could host some great videos for great continual Campfire singing around. Wish list. Mark_Boulder: @Erik: “The religious institutions in the world today want to preserve their ancient beliefs. They want to preserve their authority.” – Human Responses to the Greater Community Chrysostomos: @Kelvin we will look inside,. In space there is no up and down Tonia_Denmark: Wise words, ray, coming to face yet again the reality of this. But….it must be so. Patricia_Society: @ Gina – one “line of sight” of “point of recognition” that I utilize in my interactions with people is attempting to discern what strength a given person is exhibiting, and to actually comment to them about what I am experiencing in them…There is often a “moment” that follows….At the conclusion of the interaction, I thank them for the “moment” we spent together, acknowledging this most likely will be the only time together we will ever have in this life. In some manner, I say that it is a privilege to be in the world with them…and to share this joint responsibility…. nenette_istanbul: Thanks @Darlene. I used to read frequently The Sovereign Declaration on a loud tone…I wish they could hear me out there Cole_Boulder: @MVS thanks for posting your song lyrics/chords, I really like that one Arthur: @MVS The lyrics made me think of all the work I will have to do when I am all grown up, why does responsibility feel like a burden? Russell_Sask: Dear Fellow Students in the future, Please observe the Top of the Hour Events. It really is the key to learning the Ways of Knowledge. If you can not find a minute of Stillness on here how will you practice in the busy world?? Patricia_Society: @Gina_Boulder: #25″Maintain your confidence in yourself and in the power and the potency of the human family…” This one challenges me to speak more for the strengths and potent natural qualities of humans…” Kristina_Boulder: I feel that we (WWC) are preparing now to be more vocal about The Greater Community in the future. Right now we can choose how to present it to people, should we give people Great Waves of Change book or Living the Way of Knowledge or should we give them this book? I feel that in the future we will have to focus on Allies material as this would be essential for people to know, no matter if they are ready to hear it or not, it’s like you go to doctor and they find some disease in you, they must tell you the truth. manuel germany :): Thank you Messenger for the lyrics of your song: …”Knowing the darkness that will fall”… – I feel connected to that and might be more profound than it appears… Jorge_Spain: @Mike, I think this surpasses our actual understanding by far. Some weeks ago, I was thinking (and feeling) about waves and waves of intelligent life coming and going in the universe, waves and waves of civilizations being born and then, at some time, dying. No being would be here in all these waves-no need. Same with civilizations (Just a though I had) Gina_Boulder: Oh Patricia! Thank you! Your description of respectful and in a way, sacred encounters. There is a deep hunger for that in us all. Levy_Brazil: Marshall, in sharing the Allies message I found it useful to use your song’s analogy: we are like natives seeing big ships coming and we are worried about their shapes, sizes and colors, while we should concerned with that they are doing here and what we must do about it. Chrysostomos: Art as music or dance expresses the free will of the humanity. That is one big difference discerning Aliens from Allies. Betty_UK: Hi Darlene, I thought it did mention somewhere in the revelation that we have technology to reach the whole world, compared with the time of Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha… Broadcast is also technology. It would catch the attention of people, if there is a peaceful March against intervention. Ayesha_Society: Many thanks to the 93 Pillars and 50 Friends providing a pillar of strength for the New Message that it so needs and relies on. To participate and be a part of the Community of Givers, you may learn more here: http://www.newmessage….ssage Shawn_Moose Jaw: Thank you Marshall for sharing those lyrics, they strike a haunting chord, as if ringing out the many many times this has happened throughout the universe and time… MaryS_Boulder: Douglas, that was a cogent remark from Ronald Reagan, quoting the shared enemy idea. There is probably some relationship here with the relationship between urgency and unified focus, too. Douglas_St. Paul: The Intervention whispers, “Let’s your country and his country fight.” Ken_Oklahoma: @Darlene – I have wondered the same thing “What are the chances of using broadcasting to express our resistance to the Intervention?” How can we broadcast this into space 24 hours a day!
Alison_Boulder: How can you help the Society this week in advocacy?
1.Review the books of the New Message on Amazon.com
2. Share photos from Stop the Alien Threat on Facebook
3. Share the Guidelines for Preparing for the GC in blogs and Facebook
Mark_Boulder: @Ray – Thank God Marshall is here to demonstrate for us and demand from us: “True development requires someone else to demand things of you, to demonstrate the path for you and to set the pace at which you must learn to travel. “ Kelvin_Boulder: @Shawn, I hold on to the thought that those ships could be met with fire and torpedoes like the Japanese used to do to keep foreign ships away from their shores. Reed_Society: @James, thank you: “Constriction or avoidance in one area translates into a limitation across all the areas.. If I am avoidant of something I know to do, even if its very small, I am limited in my access to Knowledge.” important to remember this — avoidance, ambivalence, neglect, denial of what is known can lead to a loss of vitality which can manifest in many ways, physical, mental, and attempts can be made to address it at those levels, when in reality it is inability to move in a needed way at a key moment, with movement life force returns and with it health. And as you say, The Intervention, The Great Waves, as dark and difficult as they may be, these are events taking place in the evolution of our world and are connected to Knowledge within us, to deny or neglect them weakens the light within, which is meant to burn bright in these darker times, it is not just light for light’s sake, it is light to meet a real need in the larger world beyond us. The great events of our time may be… Reed_Society: … the thing that finally calls greatness from us. Why avoid them or shrink from them then?
Carol_Society: We look forward, with great excitement, to your active participation in the Worldwide Community Site, which has just opened its doors to all of us students of The Free School! If you have not yet had an opportunity to register for the Site, we invite you to do so here: www.community.newmessage.org
Please continue the rich study of the “Guidelines for Preparing for the Greater Community” for the remainder of this School session: http://www.newmessage….unity
Visit The Allies of Humanity Forum: http://alliesofhumanit…orum/
Review and study today’s discussion in the Campfire Chat Transcriptions: http://www.newmessage….ripts
Today’s Chat transcript will be posted at the end of our discussion.
Gina_Boulder: @Patricia, When I have encountered wise people, who had given me moments, seen something in me, shared with me- those moments have stuck, they are “out of the ordinary” and stand up in my memory. An impact can be made here…thank you. ray_Colorado: Tonia_Denmark: ” If your purpose is genuine and your motivations are born of Knowledge, then your concentration will be a great benefit for the world. During this preparation, you will have times when you will feel very alone, either because others are not with you or because others do not share your growing perception and understanding. But true companions will find you, will be with you and will strengthen you along the way.” … ” “concentration. Our concentration is genuine. It is nurturing and empowering for you. As you receive this, you will be able to give it because whatever you receive, you can give. This represents your promise for the world, for you have come from a place from beyond the world where concentration is natural to a place where concentration is lacking. You have come from a place where relationship is natural to a place where relationship is lacking. You have come from a place where natural affinity is ever present to a place where it is lacking. You have come… ray_Colorado: … to give something here. What you have to give is with you now. It is your task to find it. ” (WGC2.31 Concentration) Kelton: @Mark Boulder- Thank you for sharing your well expressed assessment of the DHS. I love the document and honor those who brought it forth, but I have always felt it could use a little more polishing as well. MVS Society: One strategy of the Intervention is to direct those who are bright and troubled, who could discern and oppose the Intervention, into radical conspiracy theories that seek to undermine human leaders and institutions around the world. Corruption in these leaders and institutions make them an easy target to keep humanity in a growing state of conflict and dissolution. We have to be clear in how we direct our intelligence and where the greatest conspiracy is being played out and remind each other of this. Arthur: Why are you in such a rush of having the Intervention disclosed when you wouldn’t even know what to do as it happens? Mathieu_France: @Levy: “we are like natives seeing big ships coming and we are worried about their shapes, sizes and colors, while we should concerned with that they are doing here and what we must do about it.” —it’s such a simple, down to earth approach, yet so much of our confusion clouds our vision. when I feel how humanity is unprepared for the Intervention, I really see how important it is to cultivate Knowledge in humanity if we are to have a future. What can one do if one cannot see what is real and discern it from one’s hope, fear and expectation. It’s difficult, but we have ways to Knowledge and now a Greater Community Way of Knowledge. There is hope in the world. Rudy_Boulder: Ayesha, thank you for the reminder and the update on Pillars and Friends of the New Message. I remember like 5 years ago the call went out that we needed around 300 Pillars of the New Message, seems like we are a third of the way there. Thank you to all of those that give their financial and time resources. Tonia_Denmark: Also no. 27) stood out for me: “Understand that humanity has a destiny in the Greater Community, a destiny as a free and self-determined race.” – It is underling that there is no turning back and a must face the reality of this. But also know the three kind of responses, there will be. ray_Colorado: Arthur; “Why are you so captivated and swayed, delirious and intoxicated?
Come to Knowledge and discern it, waiting for you to become sober, creating a contrast that is necessary for you to see the difference between being seduced by something and being true to yourself. You will be shocked to find out how slavish you really are to your wishes and desires, you will be shocked to see how blind and unresponsive you have been to life and how much you have missed as a result.
This can be shocking and discouraging to see the waste that you have created but do not let this recognition stop you in following the way of Knowledge. You do not want to waste your life now, your time is precious each day is precious.
What you practice is what you will reap, what you practice is what will become permanent, if you practice ignorance, prejudice, self denial, they will become permanent for you. If you just adhere to your social conditioning or the influence of others that will become permanent for…
ray_Colorado: … you, evermore difficult to liberate yourself from in the future, the prison becomes more solid its walls become thicker, its restraints more oppressive.” (The New Message) https://www.newmessage.org/ Robert_Society: Thank you everyone, and look forward to seeing you on the new Community Site. Nasi Novare Coram Debbie_MI: @Levy-I think you bring up a valid about the importance of people around the world focusing on why the aliens are here instead of the stuff people often focus on such as the technology level of their ships and the false assumptions that they are more advanced than us spiritually and some of the comments I have heard others say to the effect that “we are more of a threat to ourselves than the aliens are.” Of course, all this is playing directly into what the intervention would want and so people really do need to be educated so as not to be mislead. Kristina FL: Ken and Darlene, this is question has been with me also”What are the chances of using broadcasting to express our resistance to the Intervention?” . On thursday night with Jimmy Church ( also a host for Coast to Coast) radio show, they have an open mic night , anyone can call in and talk about anything, this is an opportunity. and also Jimmy (to my knowledge) have not interviewed Marshall yet, but he knows about him. A lot of people are listening to this show. Kelton: Beware of the false flags of lesser conspiracies. thank you Marshall Shrimayi Netherlands: @ Darlene…. What are the chances of using broadcasting to express our resistance to the Intervention?(6:00PM) I like that. I see us marching the streets to vocalize against the Intervention too. Aurora_Hawaii: @Ken, @Darlene – would we be able to do PSA (Public Service Announcements)? I believe those were once free of charge. They’ve changed some of the communications rules, so I’m not sure if it’s still the same… Kristina_Boulder: @MVS, the thought about conspiracy came to my mind as well. I read somewhere that people are spending their energy and even resources in the wrong direction (conspiracy) instead of focusing on whats really important – Intervention. Paul_MA: Kristin-FL-great idea on advocacy–JImmy CHurch seems to be open to providing an opening to bring the NM to his audience. 25002: Today when airing the dog, I felt the urge to do an attempt of experiencing the forest floor through the dog’s perspective and perception. A good training, difficult though, especially to keep for longer than just a few seconds at a time. Jos_Netherlands: Thank you for this information Marshall. There will be an event in Holland again. It is named “Conspiracy & Truth Convention”. Arthur: @Ray I am only thinking one step ahead of you. ray_Colorado: Arthur: “If you are in the wrong place with the wrong people or attempting inappropriate relationships or wasting your life on things that have no future or real value then nothing is really going to work out for you. Your conclusions will be wrong because your premises are incorrect and the investments of time, resources and energy will be truly wasteful for you and for others.
It is so important to unite with your life and with yourself; it produces a kind of satisfaction and deeper equanimity that nothing else can produce, …. it restores to you your self-respect and your self-trust and confidence over time. ” (The New Message)
Will_Society: If you have not yet joined the new Worldwide Community site, or registered for the new chat within it, I would encourage you to do so this morning. https://www.community….ooms/
We look forward to seeing you all there.
Richmond_UK: Thank you everyone for today’s chat. Nasi Novare Coram. MaryS_Boulder: There are three passages from the Allies related to the problem of disclosure as related to our empowerment:
“It will be much harder to resist the Intervention once it becomes fully established, thus having *proof* of ET existence.” AOH 2 Briefing 3
“You do not want to be part of a Collective. You must trust us in this regard and consider our words seriously. There is no freedom there. You will become nothing but servants bonded to your new masters. And though those of you who represent your masters will have certain privileges, you will all be enslaved. And the power then to resist, though it can still be mustered, will have much greater costs and consequences.” AOH 2 Briefing 4″We don’t expect people to simply accept this at first notice. But we must address those tendencies, beliefs and attitudes that prevent people from knowing this at any time. You don’t want to wait for the proof because then it will be too late. By then, there will be very little recourse.” AOH 2…
James_Boulder: @ Reed “to deny or neglect them weakens the light within, which is meant to burn bright in these darker times” The light shines brightest on the darkens of nights. David_Drimmel: One thing I see more coming that will bring awareness… Artwork depicting the greater community awareness and warnings. Artwork pointing to the intervention. Kristina FL: Paul- reading the Declaration of Human Sovereignty out loud would be a short but powerful message for all to hear. Patricia_Society: @Gina – Every interaction carries with it “the opportunity”. Awareness. Awareness. The Allies call for us to be aware. To be alert. To see and know what and who we are in the presence of. To create environments of awareness(aka The Presence). Who am I? Who are you? Even if only a fraction of relationship occurs. True relationship flourishes in an environment of awareness. Awareness isn’t just environmental or inter or intrapersonal. It is also the awareness that Knowledge is actually close at hand, in me, in you, in nature…we have the ability to exercise our propensity for awareness as a species.” Awareness. Education. Knowledge…” Do we hear the Allies’ call? jeanine_Society: @Marshall – thank you for your clarity here – some of my best (progressive) friends in my ‘old life’ were experts at ‘radical conspiracy theories’ – you were the first to be able to explain how these conspiracy theories are used by the Intervention, and what was actually going on here, so that made sense to me… Paul_MA: From Hidden Powers: para-phrasing…if you can be but a Spark to connect someone to Kg & the NM that is enough. A spark, a catalyst…. Arthur: @Ray You aren’t really giving me anything to go with as you aren’t really saying anything. Tonia_Denmark: Indeed, Marshall. Every moment without paying attention is wreckless. Cameron_Canada: @MVS – Thank you for sharing those lyrics. I found one of the verses to be particularly moving and will speak to this in my forthcoming comment in the Worldwide Advocacy Website. Alisa_Russia: Thank you everyone for your sharing. Nasi Novare Coram. ray_Colorado: Arthur: “If you are observant of your own thoughts and inclinations, it will be apparent to you that there are destructive forces within you. You see this in your desire for revenge. You see this in your desire to conquer or overwhelm others. You see this in your desires, however secret they might be, …”For how can you change the world without removing those or eliminating those or silencing those who would oppose you? This is a fundamental problem of being within a physical reality, of living within a body and competing for resources with others who are in the physical reality and who are living in bodies.
The great Separation that has set in motion the existence and expansion of the universe was not created out of an evil intention. It was not a mistake. It was not born of evil. But within this compromised existence, evil becomes inevitable.” The New Message
Aurora_Hawaii: TY MVS and Patricia – giving leaders the benefit of the doubt, and chance encounters the respect of listening at the outset can go a long way to being heard. Mark_Boulder: Thank you, MVS, for this. I have had to frequently remember this when I feel like falling into human conspiracies that there is a greater conspiracy that deserves my attention and focus: “We have to be clear in how we direct our intelligence and where the greatest conspiracy is being played out and remind each other of this.” manuel germany :): The greatest of all the conspiracies is the alien conspiracy, influencing and persuading behind the scenes, human leaders in politics, religion and economy so that the human family is maintained to be always in contention with each other. There are full bunch of conspiracies below, which are from greedy, reckless humans or groups, and may be in correlation (or not), but the ultimate conspiracy on our planet, is without a doubt the alien conspiracy. It is the greatest threat to our survival and freedom. Therefore education and preparation for contact is so paramount also at the individual level. Mike_LF_CAL: MaryL_Bouldr: @Selma, Regarding the senate candidate that’s an admitted abductee.. we don’t know her story, whether she’s speaking for or against the intervention more research is need before one can come to an intelligent decision about her GC position. Kari_H_Finland: Thank you MaryS for these sobering passages about resisting the Intervention Will_Society: @nenette You will have to re-register with a new username and password to get into the site. Then you have to register again for the chat, and you can use the same username and password, but it’s a new registration. It can be a little confusing. Chrysostomos: Don’t forget that the most powerful weapon of the Intervention are psychiatrists. Will_Society: The Free School will fully move into the Worldwide Community Site at the start of the next session, beginning of November. Debbie_MI: @Levy-I meant to say “a valid point”(12:11pm). Tonia_Denmark: Society, thank you for the e-mail about launching the new web site and congratulations! Big day it is. Maureen_Boulder: @Will – Next session: October 28 or session after that November 4? Ilhun_Switzerland: Will and the Society, thank you for the new environment for Free School mellany UK: @Arthur The NM and Allies gives humanity the education and the counter to the intervention.. and the Spiritual Pathway to offset Forces of Dissonance . with this we can know what to do. The intervention has been in the world for several decades …it has reached a mature phase. To be open to solutions, one first has to recognise/know that there is a problem. Disclosure is vital and it is urgent. Douglas_St. Paul: As far as I can tell, Ms. Rodriguez Agilera (the lady running for US Congress in FL-27) is not denouncing the aliens she has experienced. Arthur: @ray @mellany I am well aware of the destructive forces within me. They plague me day in and day out, it is something I will have to deal with soon. Maybe then I can show the world just how far we can go. MaryS_Boulder: @MVS_Society, I have been regarding “those who are bright and troubled” in terms of the personality traits presented by Jordan Peterson on Youtube, where the trait of neuroticism is defined as a sensitivity to the negative (extraversion sensitivity to positive, it’s a depth study). People who are nervous and sensitive, alert and disturbed. What a mix. ray_Colorado: Arthur: “This is the antidote, you see. It is the antidote to evil within yourself, and the persuasions of evil within yourself and all around you, which are so prevalent and powerful in the world. It is ultimately an antidote to evil throughout the universe. But it must become strong within individuals.
The power of Knowledge within you is incorruptible. It is not persuaded or affected by the seductions and inducements within the human world and even within the Greater Community, where the expression of evil and conflict has been in existence for so very long.
You, on your own, cannot combat evil. If you tried to combat it, it would seduce you. You will become more like it. It will turn you from being a peaceful advocate into being a warrior yourself. You will find yourself taking up arms against others whom you consider to be governed by evil. You will become like them because evil loves the attention.” (The New Message)
Kari_H_Finland: Recently I realized that this world is in a unique position to receive new revelation from God. There are many other worlds going through the same evolutionary development but they are not able to receive new revelations because Knowledge has not been kept alive in these worlds. jeanine_Society: Thank you Everyone for gathering here today and sharing your hearts and minds with all of us. Thank you to Marshall, Patricia & Reed for guiding the way with your bright lights of wisdom. Nasi Novare Coram. Virpi Finland: MVS, if someone knows of these people, bright ones who have fallen into conspiracies, is there a potential way to turn their mind? To make them see? I mean they are intelligent, but very confused. Their doubt is correct, but directed wrong. Suba Cro: @manuel Well said. Some conspiracy theories are relevant and some really aren’t. And this may be changable for every single individual. It is our job, using the power of Knowledge, to engage into certain areas which are appropriate for us while not losing our time and energy in areas which are inappropriate for us. jeanine_Society: “Many of you … have brought with you into the world aspects of your past learning that relate to the larger universe in which we live, what I will call the Greater Community. This is because much of your learning in the past has occurred in other places in the Greater Community. And you have brought that with you into the world.” – Marshall Vian Summers, Being a Greater Community Person MaryS_Boulder: Douglas, thanks for checking on that for those of us who refrained from clicking that link. Carol_Society: Thank you Jeanine and Tyyne for moderating our discussion. And always gratitude to Marshall, Patricia and Reed, and to each of you contributing your presence and experience at yet another powerful gathering today. Looking forward to seeing you at the Community Site. Nasi Novare Coram. MaryL_Boulder: @Mike, yes. It is time to wait and see what it means that a candidate speaks about it in public in trying to be elected. Arthur: @Virpi I was neck deep into conspiracies, and here I am. Not saying I am the brightest though. ray_Colorado: Arthur: “Now you feel more honest but less certain….” (Note: Knowledge is having an effect) Maureen_Boulder: @ Arthur To switch gears after being neck deep speaks of an open mind. MVS Society: -“Better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness.”
jeanine_Society: @Maureen – the plan is to have one more session on this Chat, then move to the embedded Chat in the Community Site starting with the next Free School Session. In the interim, we all will have some time to use the new Site and get comfortable with it, ask questions, etc… our preparation – always a preparation… Bruce in Cape Cod: Thank you everyone! This is such a wonderful event each week! I always leave with hours of things to read and learn from… NNC! Chrysostomos: @Arthur conspiracy comes always when more than 2 people are talking private Tonia_Denmark: Arthur, I was in the conspiracy area too and that brought me here also. Thanks to knowledge. Aurora_Hawaii: @Douglas But she may be open to discussion. She had a pleasant experience. She may not know the real dangers. ray_Colorado: “There is a greater Wisdom living within you that is not affected by forces of dissonance within the world, by the persuasions of others or by the inducements of culture or even religion. It is free. It is pure. It is clear. It is answerable only to God because it is an extension of God.
No matter how far you go in trying to establish your isolation, in trying to be successful in Separation and in trying to make Separation work, you are still connected to God through Knowledge, this deeper mind within you. You cannot escape from it. You cannot divorce yourself from it. You can deny it. You can cover its light with many covers and live in darkness, but you cannot eliminate it. It represents your purpose for being in the world, your connection to God and your redemption.” (The New Message) https://www.newmessage.org/
Arthur: @ray One day I will prove to you just how little of a fool I am. ray_Colorado: A friend is one you can see through and still enjoy the view MVS Society: There are human conspiracies in the world and always have been. But the most dangerous and consequential conspiracy comes from beyond the world. nenette_istanbul: O Thankyou forthat @Marshall ”There are human conspiracies in the world and always have been. But the most dangerous and consequential conspiracy comes from beyond the world.” 25002: Kristina from Boulder, I agree on that, – that we may have to shake some people out of their sleep now! – Gently … ray_Colorado: “You can pretend to be anyone you want to try to be. You can give yourself any name. You can establish yourself in any role. You can play the role of the good person or the bad person. But within you, there is Knowledge, waiting to be discovered.” (The New Message From God) https://www.newmessage.org/ MVS Society: Before you can turn another away from darkness, you yourself must be turned. Mike_LF_CAL: @MaryL_Boulder (8:58) I LOVE it when connections/realizations like that occur, VERY powerful over time as I see it. manuel germany :): @Suba_Cro: it is sufficient to be aware that there might be a bunch of them. But of course, what is more important, is our preparation. Because it is our spiritual practice, the steadiness and the consistency and the stillness which will bring us out of the Jungle to be able to discern what is true and what is false, to be strong with Knowledge, to be guided and protected. So what really brings change is where the mind is focused. So lets focus on the STK and our studenthood and educate on the Greater Community Spirituality to bring the Aliens Agenda to the awareness of the public. Kari_H_Finland: From this perspective the errors of humanity become less important and the opportunities of humanity more important MaryL_Boulder: Thank you everyone here. On a petrie dish in the universe we are small but growing…may we continue to develop as students of Knowledge and strong advocates…and thank you mathematical students of Knowledge…to try and calculate how many lifetimes we have been around???? You make me feel YOUNG in my present lifetime. 25002: actually, the emphasis is to wake them up, not whether it is gently or not. MVS Society: 25. Maintain your confidence in yourself and in the power and the potency of the human family. Do not lose confidence in human leaders or institutions, regardless of their fallacies or their errors. Humanity has the hidden strength to ward off intervention and persuasion and to emerge into a Greater Community of intelligent life as a free and self-determined race. Never allow anything to displace this faith and this confidence, for there are many forces in the world today who are seeking to do just that. Darlene_Society: @Kari, beautiful focus for us all in the midst of the current chaos…so many opportunities we have not even tried yet. Knowledge leading the way. Thank you. Arthur: @Ray Loosen up, you are too dense. ray_Colorado: “One must come to realize in being in the world that there are destructive forces within the world. If one is really honest and self-observant, one will realize that there are even destructive forces within oneself.” (What Creates Evil? ) Nasi Novare Coram Mike_LF_CAL: @Douglas_St. Paul: (8:59) Reagan’s speech to the UN!!!! 25002: Thank you for this reminder, Marshall! Heard ! MaryL_Boulder: Thank you MVS #25 loomed out to me like a beacon of light. Jim B. Upstate Ny: Thank you Marshall! Something I always will need to practice and focus upon! Debbie_MI: Thank you Marshall for clarifying this. There is a lot of discussions on Facebook and YouTube about things like chemtrails and other conspiracy theories and I often have wondered how seriously I should pay attention to such information. Some of the information is very disturbing and since I have limited energy like everyone else in this world, I have decided to strongly limit how much attention and involvement I give to it Jangsun_Korea: “Before you can turn another away from darkness, you yourself must be turned.” The words are simple and clear. Thank you Marshall. 25002: If I may, I would like to make a photo quote of this. Tonia_Denmark: Once anger really, really had me and furious I was. Then a friend said to me: Why don’t you take a pen and paper and write out all your darkest words and thoughts? So I did, and it had tremendous effect from that day. Just remember to destry it. Suba Cro: @manuel I couldn’t agree more, let’s focus on STK. It should be my #1 priority and in a way it is, but I am still at the beginning of a long journey and it can be difficult to hold my focus for a longer time. The darkness of my life still has enough power to be a considerable distraction. One of my biggest weaknesses are lack of patience and discipline, but I am trying to unburden my life as quick as I can and focus on what I know is essential. Arthur: @Tonia Or hang it on a wall to remind yourself what you are capable of. 25002: Tonia, Asta here, remember anger has root in fear. Steps addresses this fear. Mike_LF_CAL: @Darlene_Society: (9:00) excellent OBSERVATION! Kari_H_Finland: My Step for today. Step 76 Today I will not judge another. Thank you all for this Campfire Chat. Nasi Novare Coram Kelton: It seems possible that many of the conspiracies we see today are born of and are rooted in the intervention itself. Virgie_near Seattle: It has helped me immensely with not losing faith in humanity just to be with people and listen to them. Aurora_Hawaii: @Karl! I was looking for that too – found it!! Step 82. ; ) Inhee_Korea: “Humanity has the hidden strength to ward off intervention and persuasion and to emerge into a Greater Community of intelligent life as a free and self-determined race.” Thank you Marshall. 25002: Kelton, I think you’re right, and tht’s where we are moving on a knife edge in still having trust in human institutions although seeing this connection. How do we discern what is what? Ilhun_Switzerland: I think that the situations which are happening on the inside and outside of the Korean peninsula now suggest many things about Intervention. In spite of human conspiracies, we have to not lose confidence in human… Arthur: @Tonia There was a time when my wish was to become “a white sheet”, spotless, free from all (what I saw as) impurities within me. But that’s a dangerous line of thought, there’s no thing as perfection in this world. I am a rascal but at least I am me. mellany UK: “Only when Knowledge is strong within you can you become immune from even Greater Community influences, for Knowledge is the only thing within you that cannot be manipulated or dominated. It is completely free in the physical universe, and that is why the more you are aligned with Knowledge and are in relationship with Knowledge, the more free and free from intervention you become.” ~ WGC Vol II Mike_LF_CAL: @Jorge_Spain (9:04), Yes, I’m sure that scenario is highly likely, not every being would have a need to reincarnate over such a span of time… not all… and what about the other “universes”? Aurora_Hawaii: @Arthur! Welcome rascal!! From another rascal!! We are not meant to be perfect – we are meant to accept our limitations. That may be what opens up compassion for others within us… Jorge_Spain: @25002, indeed I feel your description appropiate, “moving on a knife edge” Tonia_Denmark: Yes, Arthur. I dont know if you are a rascal, but at the end of the line, we learn what we are….most of us…..and that is not flawless….at alll. Thanks. David_Drimmel: Hi Debbie, I’m still unsure about Chemtrails. There’s a lot of mixed information. I just take the words of wisdom and don’t get sucked into it. It wastes my time and energy that can be spent on things more productive, and reclaiming knowledge. Not my purpose to go down the rabbit hole. Mike_LF_CAL: Right on! @Kelvin (9:07) That’s what the military should be doing now. Suba Cro: What if someone’s greater purpose in this life is to engage in these questions like chemtrails or the shape of our planet? Then I suppose one should feel quite a strong pull towards the subject and only take it seriously after traveled quite a bit along the Path of Knowledge. And even then, he would have to have companions for the road traveled to be true. Am I right? manuel germany :): @Suba_Cro, thanks for sharing your experience in going your journey of the Way of Knowledge. The problem we, humans, face is that we live predominantly on our worldly mind and base everything on it, our beliefs, assumptions etc.. We first have to be aware of our dual reality: the worldly mind which is tormenting us permanently and the spiritual mind, which is Knowledge, our deeper intelligence which is connected to God and the eternal. So, an important practice is to try to still our minds as often as we can. At first it is hard, because we are only accustomed to the noise and stimulus of the world. But if you are patient, you may start for the first time in your life to hear that “little” whisper within you… this is Knowledge. Arthur: I think (at least some) people dwell into conspiracies because there’s a deep need for truth, so the intentions are pure but it is not properly applied.
25002: Thanks all, so glad to be able to join you here. Much love to your practices and advocacy! See yu next Saturday. Aurora_Hawaii: I once was able to be still – even for an hour… now I am restless and have to stretch my neck, have to scratch my nose… my latest attempt is to try to concentrate on physical stillness… do you think that is a way back? Tonia_Denmark: I agree, Arthur. The Steps are taking us on this road of applying the truth. Arthur: @Suba just remember that ambition and Knowledge are not good at coexisting. Jorge_Spain: @Mike… without taking into account other “universes”, those thoughts come to me seeing images of very old galaxies, where all o nearly all stars are ancient and there are no new stars being born. What transpired there? What remains of intelligent life there? And… are there “galaxies of the Wise”…? The same questions applies, to a minor extent, to our own galaxy. Many stars were born, had a long life and finally died long, long time ago. In our local universe, civilizations currently in space from tens or hundreds of thousands of years, are like nothing at the sight of the ages. They are old in this “wave of civilization”, but millions of years ago others were already going through life and all these difficulties, wonders and dilemmas… Shrimayi Netherlands: Thank you all! Nasi Novare Coram
Suba Cro: @Arthur My mind likes to be ambitious. I am quite aware of that and try to consciously remind myself of that. Virpi Finland: Jorge, when I start to think like this I remember: In Knowledge there is no time and distance. It is such a mystery, that it surpasses the mystery of the universe!
I am rereading and rereading the lyrics to Marshall’s song and trying to interpret them. Who are the tall ships, who are the strangers? Who is the visitor sitting all alone?
At first, I thought the tall ships coming from afar were the Intervention and the people of Earth were gathering, the people who see extraterrestrial forces as beneficial, as coming to save us, so they are singing alleluia. But they are missing the point. Instead they should be singing alleluia for the visitor who sits all alone (The Messenger) for he holds the key. But no one is paying attention to him. And why does he know it’s time to go? Go where? Leave the Earth? But his mission is not over yet. I have more questions about these lyrics than answers. It’s not very clear to me.
What do others think?
Yes, very interesting Alisa, the varying interpretations. It seems maybe Kelvin was suggesting the one sitting alone knows it’s the time to go WITH THEM.
On the other hand, however, I was thinking of a student of the NMG sitting alone, and wondering what to do, with all the hysteria going on around them – is it right to sit and watch the plunder and rape? I also considered the Allies, and knowing what to do, even an extreme action of leaving. Quite the opposite of going WITH them…!
Anyway, as with any song, there are going to be personal meanings for each one of us, and that’s fine.