Campfire Chat June 3, 2017

 Darlene_Society:  While we are waiting for the Chat to start, here is some wisdom from the Messenger to contemplate from previous Chats:

“Most of our real wisdom comes from our mistakes, especially the big ones. Approach past mistakes objectively like a craftsman working on a project. Mine these mistakes and log the wisdom that they can give you so you never forget. Never forget!”

“Great truth comes in increments. A great life is built in stages. The sin here is impatience.”

“Instead of waiting for Knowledge, practice listening for Knowledge. Then you are free to act or to not act. Knowledge will keep pace with you if you are doing what you need to be doing. It will prompt you to act or hold you back when necessary.”

“How I will be known and remembered will be based on the testimony of those who knew me in my time on Earth. Know me and remember me and our precious time together.”

“It is upon reading the deep texts of the NMG, for the third or fourth time, that they begin to reveal their secrets to…

Darlene_Society:  … you.”

“Knowledge lives in every person. Therefore, the New Message has a gift for every person who is ready to receive it.”

(Regarding the question of having enough money and coming to Boulder) “Work hard, save money for the future. Come to Boulder when you can.”

LaRaeUK:  Oh Ellen, we are so grateful for the foundation you and the other members of The Society have provided for us. Your dedication all these years…..merci.
Youngkyo_Korea:  Hello and Greetings everyone
manuel germany :):  Hello everyone. Warm greetings from warm Germany
Kristina FL:  Hello everyone, Nasi Novare Coram
Inhee_Korea:  Thank you Darlene for sharing Messenger’s wisdom,
LaRaeUK:  Thank you dear Dar….his words always contain such wisdom.
Cameron_Canada:  Greetings from northern Canada
Alexandra_ColOmbia:  regarding Working hard and saving money t come to Boulder…. After my experience in ColOmbia I know how extremely difficult it is for someone from a “third world country” to come to Boulder and meet the messenger… Partly because it is barely possible to save money, and partly because it requires a HUGE effort for someone not earning dollars or strong currencies to pay for travelling and staying in a “first world country”
Tonia_Denmark:  Hello everyone. Nasi Novare Coram. How wonderful it is to be here with you all.
Heidi_Germany:  Hi everyone!
LaRaeUK:  Oh my Alexandra… must be so difficult.
Shrimayi Boulder:  Hello everyone!
Howard Boulder:  Hi everyone from sunny Gold Hill
Carol_Society:  Hello everyone, and welcome! Especially to those who were with us in the middle of the night last night!
jeanine_Society:  It is the top of the hour – before we begin our Chat today, let us take a few moments and stop and remember our Step for the day, in honor of the reception of Steps to Knowledge 28 years ago, that we are currently commemorating. Let us thank the Messenger for receiving this powerful practice that he received, which is so key in helping us build our foundation.
LaRaeUK:  Oh Shrimayi….so pleased you are able to attend The Vigil….!
Joyanne_Canada:  What has stood out for me from the Vigils so far, are tips and tools that I can utilize to enhance my practice. There is coming forth via the Vigils a great warehouse of sharing that bring me to my own realizations. The Testimonies are very moving, so sincere and heartfelt. It truly is connecting us all.
jeanine_Society:  Welcome Everyone to Month 2, Week 1 of the 2017 ‘Knowledge and Spiritual Practice’ Free School Session.
jeanine_Society:  Today during the Chat we are invited to share our experience with The Steps Vigil so far (through Day 8) and to look at how having a spiritual practice helps us to deal with challenges in our lives.
Shrimayi Boulder:  Thank you Darlene
Dariel_Boulder:  Darlene, thank you for these words. They also speak of stability. Following a path and learning step-by-step how to climb and how to re-stabilize when we have fallen is so important. I am learning to ‘honor myself’ and to realize that KN knows best how fast I am capable of climbing without destabilizing my efforts. I have been a slow learner in this regard but the wisdom of MVS’s words are sinking in.
Surina_Calif.:  Good Day, Everyone! Wonderful to be here! Nasi Novare Coram.
manuel germany :):  First of all I would like to express that I am very grateful to be all of you here at the campfire and that I can learn so much wisdom from you and your experiences. What stood out for me were the wonderful comparison (analogy) MarkBerger used to describe his journey, how the Steps To Knowledge changed his life as they gave his boat, the Kiel, more stability so that now he is able, as a captain, to navigate through the storms of life better with more certainty, stability and security… thank you Mark for being so honest – it moved me
LaRaeUK:  What I find is that I no longer have an instant emotional reaction to what is going on around me. I feel as though my emotions have a true ballast now. They no longer control me, something stronger is in charge now.
David_Drimmel:  Hi everyone, I just wanted to say up front that I come back to the new message and practice the steps because I feel called to it. I cannot really give it any other explanation. As a student I can say that Steps and Greater Community Spirituality has humbled me in realizing my problems are kind of, petty, in the greater plan and purpose of my greater life in relationships. I’m learning patience as I go and listening. It’s a process and I’m very grateful to be a part of this.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  The Steps Vigil deepens my determination, my patience and my humility in my practice and now in life. It is an experience I need to remember and to look at periodically to never forget what it is we are here to do and who we truly are. Oh how easily it is to forget. I am, because of the Vigil applying my practice in my life and out in the world slowly but surely. When I do this I feel more connected to others, life and the world. It is a feeling I do remember now and in this I know I can never forget this experience I and we all are having. It is part of something so Great…we are a part of something so Great! NNC
jeanine_Society:  “Like climbing a mountain, it is a series of steps, and actually a series of thresholds as well, where you have to choose again to keep going—thresholds where you lose heart, or you try to compromise yourself, thinking that what you have is good enough, that you will be satisfied with where you are. But Knowledge will keep you moving up this mountain, for you must climb this mountain to have a clear view of the panorama of your life and of the world, a life and a world you cannot see in the valleys and lowlands below.” – Deepening Your Spiritual Practice
Mike_LF_CAL:  Hello everyone, I missed last Saturday’s chat, I was on the road heading back from a funeral. It is good to be back with you all again. NNC
Tamara:  Yes Dariel….slow and steady, without comparison and remembering to return…this perspective of the evolution of my practice and of my life build a steady strength as I continue.
Kristina FL:  Jeanine… what stood out for me is how fortunate we are that the Greater Coordination brought us to the sacred rendezvous, so we have the opportunity to build the foundation, and build it we must for the others who are not so lucky to have this gift now.
Darlene_Society:  So wonderful to see all your names joining us here today, precious faces and voices as well…We have already witnessed eight precious days and nights of what is bonding us as a worldwide community. Those of you on other continents and time zones and cities have been holding Vigil with us. Amazing grace. The Messenger has been spending intimate time with us, in his wingback chair, sharing gems on practice, self-love, pillars, challenge, happiness and more. The “beautiful love” of the New Message as he said. What has stood out for you in your experience of The Steps Vigil thus far?
Greg_UK:  Thanks for sharing that @David
JeffreyAdler_ATL:  Among Marshall’s compassionate teachings during Vigil this was especially a balm for me, paraphrasing: “When you’re turbulent, confused and frustrated, return; keep returning. Just the act of returning has won you some freedom.” … just the ACT of returning…
Cameron_Canada:  Did I miss something? Carol refers to middle of the night.
Russell_Sask:  Finally remembered the Vigil last two nights. Powerful indeed.
jeanine_Society:  @Kristina_FL – yes the deep Gratitude that arises when we stop and count our blessings…
LaRaeUK:  Hear hear Jeffrey….
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you david D. for sharing. Didn’t know you ever left.
Debbie-MI:  One thing that has really stood out for me in The Steps Vigil so far has been the depth and sincerity of the testimonials. I find it very helpful and very powerful as a student to hear what it has been like for other students as they practice STK and what their life was like before they found the NM and started practicing STK. I feel this kind of sharing is important in building community and in honoring STK and the NM.
Jangsun_Korea:  MVS words at last night’s Vigil “~ years of preparation, abiding with great uncertainty about what I was doing, where I was going, what it ultimately would mean; long periods of time without counsel and guidance, having to build slowly and carefully, never abandoning what I was here to do, doubting myself certainly at times, doubting other people at times, but knowing that I must continue, having to prove myself to those who sent me that I could be entrusted with something as great as a New Message for the world.” These words encouraged me to proceed with conviction, allowing uncertainty to exist.
Carol_Society:  @Cameron: For those in Europe and further east, the Vigi begins at 2+ am.
Kristina FL:  Yes Jeffrey, thank you for that reminder.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Yes Jeffrey returning is always a way to develop the courage we all must to keep moving forward. Yet it takes more courage to “stay” than it did to come to the NM.
Lin_Boulder:  Thank you Jangsun for the transcript of MVS’s words last night. Powerful.
Dariel_Boulder:  Dearest MVS, your words of wisdom from the last Chat, as well as last night in the Vigil are like a potent tonic to me. I know there truth and importance for me but I am now beginning to realize that I must ‘stop to stabilize rather than push on through an assume I can assimilate and utilize whatever comes at me. I wish to be a useful vehicle for KN and this takes stabilizing each time I am given a drink of this ‘potent tonic’. I am coming dear Messenger…
Joyanne_Canada:  @Jeffery, This stood out to me also. I am beginning to practice this more since he stated that. It works to not only connect us but to take us out of our personal mind.. Keep returning..
Greg_UK:  I’d also like to underline what Alexandra said about the ability of those from second and third world countries to reach Boulder – I was humbled when I witnessed and experienced life in Colombia as a privileged citizen of a western democracy – the lack of stability in Colombia for 50 years, the lack of health care for the poorer residents. I witnessed a greater poverty than I had previously.
Shane – New Zealand:  Knowledge is bringing a sense of security and stability into my life. Although I am learning to work with my mind, I still find it unreliable and unpredictable, and I struggle to remember details. Where as when I am with knowledge, I dont need to remember the details as to why I see something a certain way, Its just known. Like telling the truth, you dont have to remember what you said, being with knowledge is being with the truth. hope that makes sense.
Mike_LF_CAL:  What has stood out for me is the impassioned sharing that triggers a deep emotional response in me when students share their moments of realization that they had found something monumental in their lives… and this speaks to the authenticity of the NM as I see it. I feel something I can only describe as a energetic resonance deep down…I felt it with every sharing from all who have shared thus far, from Ayesha, Maureen, Aileen, Heynohams testimonial read by Rudy, from Tynne and from Carol. And Marshall’s sharing/giving his pearls of deep wisdom. These have stood out for me…
Jeanne_Boulder:  I agree Jangsun, MVS also said that he feels for those who are alone out there in the world trying to carry this MESSAGE to it’s people. I know I am very blessed to have others here with me in Boulder & to be able to be with the MESSENGER. BLESSING to all who do not have the support that we have.
LaRaeUK:  We in the west take much for granted Greg and Alexandra.
Josef Austria:  Hello everyone!
David_Drimmel:  Is it advised to allow a step to incubate for a few days?
Greg_UK:  @Shane that is a great analogy
Sang Hyun_CA_Korea:  Society members’ and students’ testimonies are very inspiring. I watched most of the Steps Vigils last year, but this year, it comes strongly to me. Also during this Steps Vigil period, although I do work and active all the time, I feel like having some retreat and also feel calm and peace inside. Maybe because it is Vigil period.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Well said Shane!
Joyanne_Canada:  @Jangsun-Yes, this stood out for me also, and I think my husband was struck by MVS’s Talk last night. It helps center-line the journey for ourselves, and gives us the greater perspective in following this trail MVS has blazed up the mountain for us.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you Dariel. Resonating with me!
Maureen_Boulder:  @ David. Yes. I stick with a step for days until I feel I’ve penetrated something.
Dariel_Boulder:  Yes Tamara…We are climbing slow and steady and listening for KN when it say, ‘break pace and assimilate’. Such a journey and the precious jewels we are being given in this Vigil will provide much ‘grist for the mill’ and raw material to assimilate into our foundations.
Val_Westport:  I have been reviewing Marshall’s talks with us the next morning. I feel that they are building our community as he speaks. His communications to us at this time are vitally important for our nourishment and development in our studenthood and for bringing the strength and stability and purpose that the New Message bestows out to others and to our world.
Cameron_Canada:  @Mike – I agree. It is emotional.
Maureen_Boulder:  Some steps you could practice for years.
Joyanne_Canada:  perfect sense..thank you.. Knowledge is bringing us a sense of stability to our lives.. Thanks for pointing it out and reminding me to look at how Knowledge is actually uniting us, with strength of Knowledge.
LaRaeUK:  Yes Sang….
Shane – New Zealand:  Thank you @Greg and Jim
Alio-Austin:  Good morning, afternoon, night wherever everybody is.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @ David D. MVS stated at the 2016 Encampment that you should not stay on a step longer than 2-3 days. After the 3rd day “turn the page.”
LaRaeUK:  Resonating Val…..our studenthood and relationships with one another must be strong, so that we may continue to carry this out into the world.
Jangsun_Korea:  Yes Jeanne I also feel blessed as well.
Kristina_Boulder:  What stood out for me and something I really appreciate is a new format where society is sharing their studenthood experience. It just confirms that the success in not guaranteed and that everyone needs to be strong and work on their 4 pillars and it does not matter if they are members of society or not, actually the members probably have to work even harder and be even more stable as they have more responsibilities and perhaps greater influences upon them. Same goes for the mission itself, just because it’s a NMFG does not mean that things will magically happen and everything will be OK. It’s a reminder that everyone needs to participate and be strong for each other otherwise this ship will be stuck in shallow waters.
Greg_UK:  Allo Allo
Cameron_Canada:  @Jim – Some people spend more than 1 day on a step?
Mike_LF_CAL:  Thanks for that nugget Jim_B.
Reed_Society:  @LaRaeUK, David_D – thank you for sharing
Jangsun_Korea:  @Joyanne, Yes, indeed.
Joyanne_Canada:  well said Val, I agree, it feels like our Community is undergoing a shift with Marshall ‘s talks each night. Really helping us see how to build this relationship with Knowledge. We are being moved to participate on a deeper,,,, greater level somehow.
David_S_Vigil:  To Really be involved in building one’s four pillars is what I am getting from Marshall. As well as the insight into my life and journey in relation to this teaching. The knowledge of the degradation to come to earth means I have the responsibility to become a person of power and integrity, so that I may serve those less prepared. Witnessing and being with the Steps to Knowledge Vigil has helped me to see my direction in the years to come with great assurance. Steps to Knowledge has made this certainty possible. Thank You Marshall for all you have done to receive it. Nasi Novare Coram
Lin_Boulder:  thank you Jangsun for being stable for others, being the structure.
Keiko_Ita:  Hi everyone.
Alexa-ColOmbia:  My computer just crashed, I am trying again… Thank you Greg and Larae for you understanding from the bottom of my heart. I am talking for those who are not as privileged as we are and who are invisible to society at large… May they not be invisible to us students of the new message….
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @ Cameron…I can only speak for myself but in the beginning I would stay on a step for almost a week. Now after MVS said what he I became more focused. Kind of like FIRE WAS LIT UNDERNEATH me to get going.
Levy_Boulder:  @Kristina_Boulder, I like that too, that Society members are sharing their experience of finding the NM.
Tamara:  The strength buidling that takes place at each Vigil and Encampment amazes me everytime. I sense the Great thread of Knowledge extending throughout all life here, in the Greater Community, and the support of the Unseen Ones as we gather together to tap in, to sense what we will not be able to fully understand in this life, to be more closely aligned with the Greater Power at work within us and throughout the universe. This experience allows me to enter again the mundane work of my life, though more and more this work is filled with a great joy and understanding of its importance.
manuel germany :):  @Kristina FL – exactly, thank you, it stood out also for me. MVS’s words last night with regard to the importance to build the 4 pillars as by building them we become more and more stable and centered, so that we can perform our role on Earth the way how it ought to be…
justin-calif-!:  Knowing you are all there gives me much support and strength- make being on the path much easier- as many of you know- it can be lonely at times-
MaryL_Boulder:  @JimB: yes, it is a fine line between digging deeper and being stuck so I move on knowing that I will return to the step or lesson again and again. This is a journey that does not end with the 365 step or even on the last day of your life here on earth. It is a L O N G journey home.
Alio-Austin:  Hi Keiko. Yes Kristina. Being a NMFG student does not make things easy. To the contrary. It interrupts business as usual. It takes a lot…. it takes everything to continue.
Russell_Sask:  The sheer volume of information contained in the “Steps to Knowledge” is a challenge to even read it at a regular pace let alone the pace it was originally delivered through Marshall. I use that as a reference point almost a challenge to those friends of mine that are seemingly interested yet lacking in motivation to investigate.
Jangsun_Korea:  Thank you Lin.
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you, Sang, for taking time for retreat. So much is being shared with us and it certainly takes time within to incorporate it strongly into our foundation.
Debbie-MI:  Yes Kristina, I also really appreciate the new format where society is sharing their studenthood experience. This really build community and helps highlight that this is a sacred journey that takes patience and happens incrementally over the years.
Joyanne_Canada:  My Husband (Step 190) has been watching Marshall’s talks. After listening to Day 2 talk on practices, he shared, enthusiasm, energy, and a happiness, that he had more information on how to engage with his Step Practice. He was fired up to give it more commitment. I find he seems to really engage with what Marshall is speaking. By the way MVS, he says your looking great.
LaRaeUK:  They aren’t Alexa….we are doing this for them as well.
LaRaeUK:  Justin I am always sending you love and gratitude for your constant efforts….
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @ all. For me after each time MVS speaks something inside of me is ignited in the moment and it stays for a bit. Then I forget. Now I am remembering more and more all of the sudden. My practice becomes more focused and I think of so many things during the day with regards to Knowledge and my life and the pillars. Is anyone else experiencing this?
Kristina FL:  Kristina.. yes.. “It’s a reminder that everyone needs to participate and be strong for each other ” Marshall mentioned on this Vigil, that to knowing this will motivate you to practice. Perhaps we wont feel the immediate effect of our practice, but it all adds up in the “Knowledge scale”.
Alio-Austin:  That is tremendous Jpyanne. My experience is not doing that rightnow and is difficult.
David_S_Vigil:  From this Vigil I also get the toughness and roughness of the new world where survival is g
manuel germany :):  sorry I meant Kristina from Boulder – sorry to you both
Kristina_Boulder:  I like the 80/20 reminder that MVS gave us regarding building your 4 pillars 80% and inner work 20%. I think its a good prevention from side journeys, which can be so exiting and even “needed and helpful” in ones mind. Being ultra sensitive and seeing auras, wont help us in the uncertain future as it does not provide stability that is needed.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Jim_B, your not the only one, lol!
Martin_Australia:  Hello all, just got here.
Shane – New Zealand:  Awesome Joyanne, I was just thinking about how even watching Marshall from a distance, when he talks its like he is speaking directly to me, although I know he is speaking to us all, it always hits at a deeper level.
David_S_Vigil:  …dependent on who and what you know and being very discerning with any person. That is what is so important.
Sang Hyun_CA_Korea:  @Kristina, resonate with your words. We cannot ignore or skip the signs we receive in life, as I did before the NM. I/We need to be responsible.
Shrimayi Boulder:  @Kristina Boulder resonating with your words
Greg_UK:  @Jim its been my experience that as I practice, the longer I have been a student, the more often I come back to Knowledge, or think of God and my spiritual family, remembering more often. It is an experience of deepening connection, and I recognise when i am being held back or urged forward or simply moved beyond my wll in the moment – almost like my vehicle is being DRIVEN – i am reminded of the country song ‘Jesus, take the wheel…’
Martin_Australia:  Marshall is speaking to a part of us we barely know but can feel the call up the mountain
LaRaeUK:  Another thing I’ve really been feeling is his reminder of the need for stability. To be consistent in our practice. That is what I am finding as I mature a bit as a student. The giddy joy of having been found, is now settling into a steady, consistent stream without branching out in many directions. Though I still occasionally burst out in joy
Keiko_Ita:  @Shane, I have just remembered a circle of the Messenger from your words.
Joyanne_Canada:  I too find the Society sharing their testimonies of their journey’s to be very moving, very inspiring, very strengthening. Others have traveled this path before us, their commitment, dedication and devotion to follow that which is within, gives us strength in our journies. Their demonstration over the years really pulls us, moves us forward. They demonstrate stability, thank you for sharing your stories.
Heidi_Germany:  Shane, you are right. I can confirm this.
Joyanne_Canada:  very true Martin
nenette_istanbul:  Hello Greetings to all fellow Students of Knowledge from Istanbul
Shawn_Moose Jaw:  What stood out for me, and which I drew little stars around in my journal was the phrase: ” Always know where your mind is going…” like an honest awareness of what your true intent is at all times…this is such an effective practice!
Greg_UK:  You could almost call it a Hands Free life
LaRaeUK:  Good point Kristina…
Thomas_Oregon:  Dealing with challenges in life → At the level of the individual → Inventory of the mind → Spiritual practice in Steps has provided a way for me to understand the nature of problems that arise through a process of discernment and sorting out. Some problems I discover are not my own, somehow I adopted them and so I can let go of them and shake them loose rather than feel a need to deal with them on a personal level; other problems that recur are more fixed in my nature and require my awareness and attendance. Some problems are absolutely core, like the problem of Separation, but now my mind is freed up enough to begin looking at these things. So the most important things come to the surface, out of so much noise and clutter, and can be dealt with meaningfully, not solely on a personal level, but put out in front of me to be observed over time. The practice of keeping a short problem list has helped hold these things out in a neutral space where they can be viewed rather than…
Thomas_Oregon:  … constantly stirring things up internally.
Levy_Boulder:  Yes, Shawn, that phrase remains with me as well.
jeanine_Society:  @Shane – thanks for mentioning the feeling that Marshall is speaking directly to you – both the Messenger and the words of the revelations can have that effect on us…
manuel germany :):  This is for you
Tonia_Denmark:  Thank you, Darlene. It sure is precious to join at night, though after some, it is a much needed sleep that pulls me back to maintaining a healthy day. Then a joining in a new, might be possible. As a student of the NM, there are often times when I have to realize my life is not in order or apprpropriate enough to be on time, when we are called…..And this brings me to what is standing out the most at this Vigil. – Last year I didn’t make it to many of the Vigil nights. This time, it’s going in a better direction. – What I feel is standing out is…that it is all about preparation. …. Like standing in a center of circles of repeating circumstances which are made of thoughts, feelings, ideas, beliefs……and look at what is my day made of, that forms this reality I live in. What is occupying my mind, as in favorite people, places, things I do?… really reflect on what is reinforcing and strenghening a right direction and what is or will in the end weaken it.
David_S_Vigil:  @KrisGina: sensitivity will be useless unless one has a sturdy raft underneath him or herself.
MaryL_Boulder:  @Jangsun, Lin, Levy and all who are students of the New Message in your countries alone as far as you know…thank you for being the structures of the New Message with your studenthood, courage and the strength to continue until others find you. True pioneers of the World Wide Community.
Keiko_Ita:  I recognize that I do need MVS.
Jeanne_Boulder:  @ Shawn, I agree
Javier S. Fl:  Good morning everyone, must share what happened last Monday night with the Active Shooter on the Palmetto Expressway. My Rescue was the first Transporting unit that took the one and only victim shot. We all literally dodge a bullet or bullets. Leading up to that Monday I kept having this state of awareness or even severe agitation and couldn’t pin point the source till Monday’s event. Realizing even as a a 15 year veteran still much to do just as a first responder to prepare for What’s to come over the horizon.
Martin_Australia:  What Marshall talked about today was in alignment with my Step, I have a true foundation in the world and was exactly what i was contemplating and dealing with in my experience today. Thank you Marshall you hit the nail bang on once again
Dariel_Boulder:  Yes Kristina_Boulder…”It’s a reminder that everyone needs to participate and be strong for each other otherwise this ship will be stuck in shallow waters.” It takes work and we are responsible–having been given this bestowal–to do the work.
jeanine_Society:  Please continue to bring forward what struck you most from the Steps’ Vigil, but we will open the floor up for the next question too: “How has your spiritual practice enabled you to contend with ongoing problems and challenges in life?”
LaRaeUK:  Hear hear Joyanne. I have always admired the serentity of The Society members. I had no idea so many had been practicing Steps for so long. Inspiring they are….
Joyanne_Canada:  I agree Mary L. Such dedication is uplifting to see. Thank you to our Korean family . Blessings
Martin_Australia:  We are here with you, Justin and so is your Spiritual Family
MVS Society:  Alexandra, I hear and see what you are saying, I have walked the back streets of Aleppo and Lahore, visited the slums of Jakarta and witnessed the ravaged people and nation of Cambodia. I saw. I was moved. I will remember them. It is for them and their children also that I give this to the world. They are the first to be imperiled by the Great Wares, the reality of war and all the instability to come.
Joe_UK:  One sentence particularly stood out for me from the Step (186) that Carol shared: “Only the reclamation of relationships can be carried forward beyond your life in this world.” Yesterday my own Step was “78: I can do nothing alone” and was reflecting on my old life and how much I practiced attempting to do everything on my own. Thanks to this Vigil I have become aware of my need to keep practicing unlearning stubborn independence and allow myself to enjoy learning interdependence and the reclamation of relationships.
Alexa-ColOmbia:  Yes, Keiko, not only the world but also for me as an individual I NEED Marshall with my mind, heart and soul!
Sang Hyun_CA_Korea:  @Dariel, I agree. Thank you.
Joyanne_Canada:  Wow Javier I am so happy your okay. Yes in your job, you will truly need the strength of Knowledge in the future..
Anna W_NY:  @Thomas, thank you for sharing those insights about how to approach problems. I recall that at the Messenger’s Vigil, Marshall spoke of “leaving” great problems… as if we climb in a direction where they cannot go with us and we are thus freed of them.
Dariel_Boulder:  Javier…so glad you are OK and wiser for this experience. Yes, we must all be alert and aware of what is coming. I suspect this will be much more common is our future.
Ken_Boulder:  Each night the testimonials has been powerful and moving! We are reminded of Patricia, Society members and students that have stood by Marshall through the years and helped provide a base for Marshall and for the NM to come into the world. Now that I am in Boulder, I am reminded how important is to renew and strengthen the NM relationships in person. Last night as I looked around the Santuary, I realized the immense importance of this small group of first responders that keep returning to help. They tirelessly work to be stronger with Knowledge… strong pillars….create structure for themselves and expand the platform for the Marshall and the NM.
Kristina FL:  Javier, im glad you were able to respond and stayed safe.
Jeanne_Boulder:  Blessing Javier, & thanks for your service
nenette_istanbul:  Thank you to this quote @Darlene : “You will only fail in this preparation if you do not honor yourself or if you lose sight of your greater goal.”
Jangsun_Korea:  @MaryL, you are encouraging me to keep going. Thank you.
Greg_UK:  @Javier Oh amazing – you are a true first responder! Be open to being moved and you will be protected.
cole_boulder:  It is very encouraging to recognize how much MVS and the Society is investing in our studenthood and development, a reminder that the Revelation must move through us into the world if it is to take hold here.
MVS’ talk last night on foundation building and stability was impactful and clarifying. This call for stability here is very real – something that I undertake now as a beginner, only now able to see the purpose of this within a larger context of life and the long road of higher purpose.
Something that has been on my mind for the past month is how to become part of the structure for this mission during the time of the Messenger, when it is clear I am still moving from codependence to independence and must learn these lessons. And the simple answer that occurred to me is: by becoming strong. We must each become a strong and stable pillar in order to be part of this structure, and all the lessons learnt along the way enable us to undertake this service without defining our role. A…
cole_boulder:  … long road ahead yes – but with a 1,000 liberations along the way.
Val_Westport:  Because of my spiritual practice, I see so much more of my life now. There is time to meet challenges and situations, room to assess concerns before responding to them and a growing tolerance for the distracting input of others. There is a greater understanding of where people are coming from, whether they agree or disagree with me. I’m finding a refining discernment regarding whom to be with and why the choice is necessary.
Maria_Boulder:  Most of all I am struck with the unfathomable blessing of the time we are able to share with Marshall and Patricia and Reed and the Society, all in the same room together. The palpable presence. It is the miracle of our lives, and I am in awe. How I wish I could share the precious gems that are shared when the lights go down, and the cameras go off. We are being so lovingly and generously prepared to be strong structural pillars of the NM in the times to come…I pray that all those who feel the calling to be with the Messenger in his remaining time with us, will find the way to make it to this sacred rendezvous…and I appreciate the challenge that it can be to get here, from my own personal experience!
Shrimayi Boulder:  @Shawn yes Always know where your mind is going I like that
Reed_Society:  @Alio, “Being a NMFG student does not make things easy. To the contrary. It interrupts business as usual.” Well said and very true – and a good question to ask ourselves: am I operating (today, in this moment) as business as usual?
Thomas_Oregon:  @Anna_W_NY Excellent, thank you. (I recall that at the Messenger’s Vigil, Marshall spoke of “leaving” great problems… as if we climb in a direction where they cannot go with us and we are thus freed of them.)
Sang Hyun_CA_Korea:  @Justin, I hear you. I understand. It can be lonely sometimes. But you know you are doing more than very well. Thank you for doing that so passionately, so that I can have a chance to join from time to time.
Dariel_Boulder:  Shane…”you dont have to remember what you said, being with knowledge is being with the truth. hope that makes sense.” Makes perfect sense to me. Thank you for that insight.
Cameron_Canada:  @MaryL – I think that is an important recognition you give to Jangsun, Lin, Levi… It must different experience to be in Boulder where support and like-minded people are more abundant. This place of chat is the only connection some people have. …at least in the physical experience.
Levy_Boulder:  Thanks Cole, for “A long road ahead yes – but with a 1,000 liberations along the way.”. It reminds me of “my freedom awaits me”. The kind of freedom I don’t even know I miss.
Anna W_NY:  “a long road ahead yes – but with 1,000 liberations along the way” … Thank you. Beautiful, Cole.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Greg, resonating with you brother!

Alio-Austin:  What struck me most from the vigil… 2 things. “What am I practicing? Practice makes permanent.”

That makes me more observant. 2nd, my practice has deepened and I am having profound experience with loving knowledge…. as an experience, and receiving as an experience. To have that happen and available as a technique and not just a occasional random profound experience in life is huge for me.

Heidi_Germany:  Shrimayi, this sentence also impressed me, because I always thought we must remain with our mind at the point it should be and that is so much more difficult.
Joyanne_Canada:  Thank you Maria for sharing your experience of being in the Sanctuary each night in that Sacred, Spiritual Community.
Martin_Australia:  @Jeanine, my spiritual practice has given me greater clarity, strength and resilience. I noticed this today when dealing with something that is on going, something that Knowledge warned me about 16 years ago but I misinterpreted it at the time
Martin_Australia:  A costly mistake
Joyanne_Canada:  thank you Alio
Keiko_Ita:  During the Steps Vigil, I try to listen to the people on the bus recently. How to practice listening… I was so busy to make a complain,but I stop to do this. Then listen. It was quite easy to discern the situation. Nevertheless I felt relief of all passengers directly.
Maria_Boulder:  @ Javier…thank you for sharing your experience of being “warned”, “prepared”…thank you for being there…and for the reminder of how essential to our effective service in the world our practice is…
LaRaeUK:  My spiritual practice is giving me such a strength and resliance. I have lost many friends and people I have loved for a long time since discovering TNM. Prior to Steps, I would react with drama and upset. I just don’t do that anymore. I release them with love, knowing Knowledge knows what it is doing. I will see them all again when we are no longer in seperation, but for now my life must be unencumbered so that I may practice and be ready to move when Knowledge needs me too. It is so freeing to be free of the drama!
Alexa-ColOmbia:  @[email protected] _ I was seriously contemplating this “business as usual” or “automatic pilot” attitude last night, while struggling with a big headache due to the extreme pollution in the air in Medellin, Colombia. We can´t afford being nonchalant about our thoughts and actions because they have an impact on others at some point…
nenette_istanbul:  I am resonating what the Messenger said last Vigil night : about the 4 Pillars ”There is the Pillar of Relationships; there is the Pillar of Work and Providership; there is the Pillar of Health and there is the Pillar of your Spiritual Development. Each of these Pillars is of equal value, and even though at any particular moment you may be focused on one of these Pillars, the truth is they all must be built.”
MaryL_Boulder:  @Javier: thank you for sharing that experience and the sense of alertness prior to it. Those are incidents that happen and is acted upon immediately and resolved to some degree. I keep thinking of Lingling’s (China) analogy of the frog in water that is slowly boiling it to death. Only KNowledge (God) knows what is coming and to deny the urgency of these times is like sitting in the water is that heating up. I felt Marshall’s concern that whether it is slow boil or an acute incident we as students are not prepared, not stable and not emotionally, mentally or physically strong to weather the Great Waves that are rising and washing over the world each day. I use his concern as a gauge to check my condition and to see what I am not doing to prepare.
Betty:  @jeanine re the Steps vigil, it brought a lot of clarification for me, a sense of carry on, and keep moving.
Lin_Boulder:  Cole, in the long road ahead, one lesson I am learning is patience. Think about MVS had to wait for 6 years for Steps book to come. Even I know something, it might take years to come into being, and I have to work toward it, to earn it, to be stable and reliable, then when it finally come, I am ready.
Insuk _Korea:  Thank you Maria for sharing your experience.
Jeanne_Boulder:  Thanks for Sharing LaRae:*)
Carol_Society:  @Cole: “all the lessons learnt along the way enable us to undertake this service without defining our role.” Oh, yes… STEP 92, “Do not attempt to fill in that role according to your ideas or your wishes, but allow
that role to fulfill itself, for Knowledge within you will fulfill it once you are prepared.”
Shane – New Zealand:  Even tho we are only entering the Great waves already the signs of whats coming can be very unsettling. Without an understanding of separation albeit limited, and that there is only knowledge and the need for knowledge, plus allowing things to be a mystery I would have driven my self crazy trying to find answers, become frustrated in idealism. Back in 2011 I remember wanting the world to end in 2012, so all the madness would stop. Now I feel on the edge of enjoying the challenge here, sort of like I enjoy the game, there is a touch of some ancient remembrance.
cole_boulder:  @Levy – yes. moving through the process of ‘freedom from’ to ‘freedom for’…(as spoken of in ‘The Freedom Journey’ revelation). It makes sense we can only proceed one step at a time!
MVS Society:  Jim, in practicing Steps in the past, I generally have stayed 2-3 days on a Step if I found that I needed it specifically. You can always come back to a highlighted Step after you have finished Steps Level 1 and spend more time on it along with other related reading in the NMG as a special study. Steps wants to keep you moving at a steady pace, not too fast, not too slow. Consistency is the key here.
Tamara:  One of the most important lessons from the New Message that keeps me moving forward is that I must begin with where I really am… be truly honest and objective with myself and with life aroudn me. Honoring the many steps of Knowledge that ultimately put me at the threshold of receiving the New Message, allows me to clearly see my current beginning point. Though my mind will still falter into imagination when the next step is anticipated, the peace of abiding with Knowledge slowly wipes away what is untrue.
Alexa-ColOmbia:  @ Shane: resonating!
Debbie-MI:  My spiritual practice has enabled me to contend with ongoing challenges and problems in many ways. I find that as I get older, life presents more complex and challenging problems. I am called upon to take on more and more responsibility and STK has helped me a great deal in this regard. My practice has helped me gain strength, clarity, and perspective. It is also helping me gain patience and the ability to truly be present in the moment.
Levy_Boulder:  Thank you, Tamara.
Susan_Malaysia:  Thank you, MVS on steps practice….
jeanine_Society:  @Martin, @LaRae, @Debbie, et al – yes – sometimes the changes are dramatic, sometimes subtle – it is good to take time to look at our lives objectively in order to see the effects of our Spiritual Practice in our lives…the Reviews in Steps to Knowledge are a good time to do this….
Joyanne_Canada:  @Mary L, we so need these talks from Marshall to help us work harder on stabilizing ourselves, preparing ourselves more. I agree we need to grow stronger to weather the Great Waves. His talks are motivating me to go further with my practices.. being in a more alert, aware, looking state. Looking and working practice by practice on stabilizing ourselves in our Pillars.
Mike_LF_CAL:  How has your spiritual practice enabled you to contend with ongoing problems and challenges in life?
This is a though question… for me contention has been ongoing since I found TNM. I experience a constant resistance nearly every day, mainly from family and at the same time I know I cannot stop. TNM has given me or rather has made me aware that there is a greater force at work in the world which I am a small part of and that no matter what I must keep going… keep moving… keep taking steps… keep up with my practices every day… keep up with the chats… keep connected. There are others depending on me and no matter what I cannot fail them.
David_S_Vigil:  Mary L: that is a good point that many of us NM students who have the blessing of preparation really are not prepared for the shock of the future. There is a need for real down to the Earth engagement here, to build a really solid vessel- on the outside and inside.
SoL_USA:  Tyne’s sharing of her struggles, even while being in the Society, made it feel like I am not a failure when I hit a big rock in my path on the journey. It happens to everyone at some point. MVS hit home last night. The Fog comments and many more were a wake up call for me. The Vigils always encourage me to get back up on the horse and ride on. I have recently been reading The One God and also reviewing the 4 Pillars. I was struck by how important the 4 pillars are in my challenged life. STK is vital, but the pillars will determine if I am able to carry forward when the call comes. Food For Thought.
Alio-Austin:  Benefit of the vigil also: Often practice time is swayed by outer interruptions, wavering devotion and the wild horses of the mind. The still time together, reinforced by the structure, has caused such a profound experience ….. a fruiting out of all previous preparation. It really has moved me over a hump that has made a great appreciation and treasuring of the practice…. like a resistance has been moved through and freedom found on the other side…. a new value and gratitude, a payoff being experienced. Much of it almost beyond words.
Greg_UK:  So I think I can summarise my experience of the Vigil period like this… Whilst on the face of it I have not been very successful in keeping up with the broadcasts daily, I am witnessing many events in my life – reunions with many people whom I have lost contact with over the years all within a few days – my old best friend from a decade ago, spiritual people who knew me as an atheist who are now amazed by the impact of the NM on my life, endless synchronicities, suddenly many relationships being rekindled – and tonight I am seeing my eldest daughter again for the first time in a year, and my youngest daughter wants to come and visit – last I saw her she could not even talk to me! All of this within the awareness of this sacred time and my return to steps practice with the school session and the Vigil. I am blessed and humbled.
Cameron_Canada:  @Joyanne – I too find “observation” to be taking a defining role in my practice.
Tonia_Denmark:  Thank you, Jeanine. The best way for me is to sit down with a pencil and paper and write. Sometimes speaking the words simoultaneously has a tremendous effect on expressing emotions, as a connection is made imeediately. I find that to deal with high waves of many details of uncertain things in life, pen and paper and attending the exact relationship, the exact fear or bother, that is not leaving the mind. Facing it, is the only way I have realized can move me on to a more relaxed approach. Then a more peaceful meditaion practice is possible. Until then, it can be impossible. Thank you. …..Also with pen and paper, it is possible to make it to the bottom of the “dirt”. -Down there at the very cause of trouble, it is possible to find out How it started. Which connection was originally made, and what conclusion was it made upon. What does it remind me of? (To bring the remembering even further back) Until the very source is found.
Reed_Society:  @Thomas thank you for this insight – acknowledging levels of problems, some we must deal with immediately, some over time, some we can’t resolve, some are personal, some are not, some flow into our mind from the mental environment, some are cultural, some are endemic and felt by all, acknowledging levels of problems and thus levels of response, instead of internalizing all of these and. blaming, resisting, running from ourselves and our experience as as a result, fearing our own self-retribution. The New Message gives sign to this: “The world is within me, this I know.” “You have not yet been willing to face yourself completely, fearing that what you would find would discourage or destroy you. Yet when you face yourself completely, all you will find is Knowledge.” That last passage is a statement of truth with great consequence I feel. We identify our problems, and then mistakenly identify with them, and the self we are trying to fix is the self standing in our way, a vehicle of the…
Reed_Society:  … separate world that is not who we are. And yet we must direct and manage that vehicle (personal problem solving) even as we let it be to turn our awareness to our service to the world (non-personal problem solving).
Inhee_Korea:  Thank you Marshall “not too fast, not too slow. Consistency is the key here”
18513:  Hello everyone
MarkBerger:  @Alio and @Reed – Realizing we are not where we need to be is step #1. Actually taking on a new direction, making small steps towards the new life and sticking with the new direction, having stamina in the journey is the greater challenge. To have the discipline to remember what we really want and know what is really important is what makes the long journey possible, in my experience.
Shawn_Moose Jaw:  @Alio…I feel that, resonating..
Joyanne_Canada:  My Spiritual practice allows me to contend with life, by giving me the great freedom to not just react, but to go quiet within, be with Knowledge, wait to know. Looking at others and accepting their state of separation, more compassion comes forth. It makes it easier for me to be out in the world when I focus on who I really am, and apply my practices. Always bringing myself back to Knowledge within
Alio-Austin:  18513 if you click the gear bottom right, you can give yourself a name. You are appearing as 18513.
Kristina_Boulder:  One of the things that makes NMFG different from any other religions or spiritual traditions, besides the obvious things like that it has GC aspect and that is pure communication from God is its emphasis on 4 pillar building. I would say it’s an action based spirituality, where we are asked to do things, not just to believe or meditate all day long.
Joyanne_Canada:  thank you Mark for that gem of wisdom
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Tamara, I am reminded of what was said recently after the broadcast. “It is ok to look at our life and be appalled.”, It’s ok, we have to be honest with ourselves, be real, be strong.
jeanine_Society:  Some of the changes I noticed in myself after a few years of doing Steps to Knowledge: I found that I gradually lost interest in doing many things – going out to movies, being with many of my friends, needing more quiet time – and being okay with being alone – not having to be in a relationship….I became more focused on preparing my life for something I did not know yet would come…
Virgie_near Seattle:  Thank you so much, Alexa, for bringing a third world perspective that is important for us in affluent countries to really listen to and take in.
Dariel_Boulder:  Yes, MaryL…I join you in your gratitude for those who have been strong anchors for the NM in their countries. I can feel the ‘structure’ they are and I know Heaven sees and in with you in your work there. So powerful to know the books of the NM are published in Korean and Portuguese and…
Jeanne_Boulder:  @ Greg. so happy for you
jeanine_Society:  A quote from Marshall deeply impacted me in the early years: “It is better to be alone, than be with the wrong people.”….
manuel germany :):  @Reed. so true: “The New Message gives sign to this: “The world is within me, this I know.” “You have not yet been willing to face yourself completely, fearing that what you would find would discourage or destroy you. Yet when you face yourself completely, all you will find is Knowledge.” That last passage is a statement of truth with great consequence I feel. We identify our problems, and then mistakenly identify with them, and the self we are trying to fix is the self standing in our way, a vehicle of the…” many thanks
LaRaeUK:  You are indeed blessed Greg.
MVS Society:  Step 212: “I gain strength from all who practice with me.” Alone we have potential. Together we have power.
Sang Hyun_CA_Korea:  Thank you Marshall for the Wisdom. “Consistency is the key here.”
Maria_Boulder:  @ Kristina (9:50 am): smiles-“we are asked to do something”!!!
cole_boulder:  @Reed – thank you for articulating that. Resonates with your comments last night regarding the Wisdom chapter ‘Compassion’ – to undergo an internal shift away from personal dilemmas to focusing on circumstantial ones.
Shane – New Zealand:  @Sol USA “Tyne’s sharing of her struggles, even while being in the Society, made it feel like I am not a failure when I hit a big rock in my path on the journey. It happens to everyone at some point.” this was very important for me to hear also.
Alexa-ColOmbia:  @David_S_ Indeed. The best way for me so far to TEST my down to earth engagement is not only SPIRITUAL practice (meditation) but also facing day to day challenges… So I am grateful to the challenges, because they make me more prepared to face the greater challenges ahead… my experience in a third world country has been KEY in developing this preparation… which is still ongoing of course!
Ana Burrows_bldr:  @Javier – Your story emphasizes the importance of being able to identify a feeling or state and have enough distance from it to identify that that is what you were experiencing and the reality that we are connected, intimately, to things to come and that Knowledge knows the future to some extent (how??). What if you were not able to be objective with that agitation and just assumed it was something you were doing wrong, or you just needed to change your diet or something? I find that kind of responsiveness and objectivity to be key to serving people (and staying intact while doing so).
Martin_Australia:  ”Alone we have potential. Together we have power.” Nice, Marshall, wow!
JeffreyAdler_ATL:  Agree Kristina Boulder, this is one of the aspects that gives this Teaching so much value: what it asks of me and how I generate some of my own rewards here via the directives and practices. Abdication not allowed.
Alio-Austin:  MVS Imagine where you would be without us and each of us imagine visa versa. Nothing would be possible and with each other everything becomes possible….. not guaranteed, but possible and even probable.
Shawn_Moose Jaw:  I find that the practice has enabled me to face problems head on with clarity, and to see them through to completion. I have also noticed that the problems do not only stop coming but become greater! I have a sneaking suspicion that this is on purpose….
Jeanne_Boulder:  @Jeanine I feel the same way.
Alio-Austin:  Difficult, yes, but possible.
Tonia_Denmark:  Jeanine, same here. I enjoy moving in the corridors, that brings me just past people, who lives a life of following preoccupations.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Greg_UK (8:48) , thanks for sharing your experience brother.
Kristina FL:  Thank you Marshall, this step stayed with me, i find it very motivating. “Together we have power.”
Joyanne_Canada:  Thank you MVS, the Vigils are allowing us to experience this “power of togetherness” actually strengthening this power within us as a group. Many Blessings
Javier S. Fl:  @Shawn, preparation for the GWC!
Kristina_Boulder:  The fact that STK is an ancient tradition that was and is given in many worlds in the Universe made me think that perhaps some of us were students of it before. I would think that MVS most definitely was a student of STK before…
Martin_Australia:  Yes, Alio! If Marshall didn’t receive the relationship and communication, we may not know of our greater relationships and we would be able to play our small part in further extending the NM into the world
SoL_USA:  @Jeanne_Boulder — I too feel that way – alone. I am parting ways with people and things that no longer resonate. A lot more alone time. I do get criticism of that from those around me. I have been of the world long enough. At times it is difficult to walk this journey. But walk I must. I have been called and I can not hide from that calling. I was called for a reason. I must be worth the investment.
Keiko_Ita:  @Greg, I am so happy to hear you!
David_S_Vigil:  @ Alexa: Having lived in China for over three years I resonate with living in a developing society- the challenges it presents and how that tends to make people far more resourceful and wise regarding their choices. It certainly is a better environement for sainthood.
Betty:  @Kristina B – Thank you for “…it’s an action based spirituality, where we are asked to do things,..” – A Real Change is needed – that reminds me of this revelation ‘Real Change’ http://www.newmessage….hange
MaryL_Boulder:  @Kristina, yes “action based spirituality, where we are asked to do things, not just to believe or meditate all day long.”
Russell_Sask:  And so here we are approaching another Top of the Hour event together. Inner Stillness, Outer Chaos…The Choice is yours and mine to live and allegedly learn from.
Tonia_Denmark:  In the beginning I was very good at deep meditations, but now the first level of “cleaning up the past” and so meditating is hard work and the body has new sore places as things a reconstructing within.
Joyanne_Canada:  @Kristina, perhaps we did encounter it prior. If we are leveling up through the realms of Separation ??
Darlene_Society:  It is the hour. Let’s pause and feel the beautiful love that is being generated among us for us…
Heidi_Germany:  Kristina, and I would think MVS was already prepared to be a Messenger before.
jeanine_Society:  @Everyone – try Firefox if you are not able to PM with others…
Reed_Society:  @Javier, glad you are safe and thank you for sharing this: “Leading up to that Monday I kept having this state of awareness or even severe agitation and couldn’t pin point the source till Monday’s event.” This has been true for me as well: a real sign of Knowledge can be severe agitation, which of course we may try to quell and subdue as “fear” “negativity” “personal weakness as a student.” Once again, Knowledge is not always what it seems. Knowledge is not looking good.
Levy_Boulder:  @Alexandra, a famous speaker in Brazil moved with family to Canada with dreams of achieving a perfect life, only to feel compelled to return to Brazil a couple of years later. The reason = life was too easy and predictable.
Tamara:  Thanks Jeanine!!

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18513:  Sorry to get off topic. But this is my first time engaging with this community. I have been reading the NMFG for about 2 months and I have been following the steps for a month. I feel now that I need to surround myself with the supporters of the NMFG.
jeanine_Society:  Consider taking an optional Spiritual Retreat, during this session: “Because of the deeper nature of this Study Plan and the upcoming 2017 Steps Vigil, we encourage you to take extra time to build your Spiritual Practice during the Vigil. Consider taking a half day, a full day or a weekend retreat to engage in your Steps practice and to explore what this Study Plan is asking of you. Listen to the New Message revelation Spiritual Retreat, to help you get started in building your retreat environment over the next two months.”
Virpi_FI:  Before STK I was much more an impatient slave of my emotions. Now I mostly recognise when I am about to go down a path of some emotions typical to me before. For some the source has disappeared, but for some I need to harness them.
Patricia_Society:  @all, regarding The Society, and their unsung years of service, their perseverance in light of the fact that so much of what they do is not to meet their needs, but rather the needs of the NM and those who would find it, their attention to daily detail in order to free Marshall from this enormous organizational minutia, their ongoing struggle to keep their studenthood alive, real and moving and their relationship with the Revelation current and active, their willingness to stay put and to hold – year in and year out, their sweet and ready response to humor and simple pleasures(oh may they keep coming, i.e., humor and simple pleasures), all this and more has been the blast chamber experience on the way to their becoming Stewards of this Revelation…..I am sure they each could add so much more this statement per their experiences of service over the broad stretch of time so far. They are the platform upon which the New Message will rest primarily….though they only are part of the New…
Patricia_Society:  … Message’s support structure…May we all gather around them and enlarge this platform. The Message is vast. And it seeks tremendous engagement with Humanity, sooner rather than later………and yet for decades, centuries and millenia…May it be so, and as the early community, may we mature, stabilize, dig in and deliver in the ways that come to us, as we go….forward. Thank you all so very much……
Mike_LF_CAL:  @jeanine_Society (8:51) , I have experienced the same changes in myself as well, thanks for sharing!
Jeanne_Boulder:  Thanks to everyone for sharing your wisdom to, Blessings to all of you. Nasi Novare Coram
cole_boulder:  @18513 – welcome, glad you can join us here. What is your name?
Kristina FL:  Welcome 18513, what is your name? thank you for your presence here and for responding
Martin_Australia:  @Heidi, yes and it seems to me that our Spiritual Families prepared us for this time of revelation too. Mysterious!
18513:  Joshua Gray
Jeanne_Boulder:  Welcome Joshua
Martin_Australia:  Thank you, Patricia! may it be so
ReaHyung_Korea:  Thanks for everyone. Nasi Novare Coram
Kelton_Calif:  @ Reed And Thomas: excerpt from the last step of the Continuation training. Step 83 Let Peace Be With Me Today- “As you advance as a student of Knowledge, your problems will be more and more circumstantial and not personal in nature. You will encounter difficult thresholds along the way, but increasingly you will not be the problem. The Wise are more concerned with negotiating circumstances than they are with negotiating internal difficulties. This is an unparalleled freedom and accomplishment.”
Javier S. Fl:  @Reed, Thank you and all for the kind words. Feel now more than ever how Thankful I am to have access to the New Message. Realizing that I am just a Beginning Student but every movement has it’s Starting Point.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @MVS, step 212, I “resonate” with that step on a daily basis!
Shawn_Moose Jaw:  Deep gratitude to all…. a work schedule change pulls me away…. Nasi Novare Coram.
Sang Hyun_CA_Korea:  @Kristina, I like what you pointed out. NM is different from others in “GC perspective”, “action based”, “4 pillars”, “not just to believe or meditate all day long”.
LaRaeUK:  Oh yes Patricia… is a miracle The New Message has come this far….and may we all make sure it is here until God decides to break The Seal of the Prophets again.
David_S_Vigil:  Thank you Patricia for this blessing-NNC
Jos_Netherlands:  Thank you Patricia
MaryL_Boulder:  @Joshua, welcome and thanks for joining us here.
Robert_Society:  Blessings everyone and thank you. Nasi Novare Coram
Joshua:  Thank you
cole_boulder:  @Kelton,Reed, Thomas – ah! yes that is the step you read last night Reed, good find Kelton, the exact quote
Susan_Malaysia:  Thank you, MVS, Patricia, Reed the Society and everyone, Nasi Novare Coram
Ellen_Society:  Blessings to all who joined us for this chat today – in the midst of the marvel of the Vigil.
Kahala_Oregon:  Thank you all. NNC
Heidi_Germany:  Martin_Australia: I agree with you with us students being prepared by the Spir. Family for being here.
Sally_Boulder:  @Reed, @Thomas…in reagards to personal problems: from Perception GCWI, it states “In contrast to this greater reality, your personal problems are very small, just requiring certain adjustments here and there. Like maneuvering a car down the street, it requires that you steer a little here and push a button there and make adjustments along the way. Even with the great responsibility of driving a car down the street and all the terrible things that could happen to you, you do not think about it much. You just do it. You learn how and you do it.”
Throughout the Vigil there has been an acute emphasis on Practice. Not only stillness practice to keep the mind’s soil fertile and clean, but on the other vast array of practices. As we have been reminded by the NM and MVS, we must be more stable, more compassionate, more forgiving, more discerning, etc than we are today. Oh this vigil has been so rich for me, in its essence of the importance of all of these practices to be applied to life….
Sally_Boulder:  … STK really is the return to wholeness and simplicity. The notion of our lives becoming more simple… so that we may serve something greater than them, if only we are free to do so…and have hopefully accrued the right tools…this strikes my core.
Martin_Australia:  Good to hear, 18513. I know the feeling.
jeanine_Society:  @Patricia – thank you – and it is so wonderful to see more and more students come willing and able help us with the mission here…
LaRaeUK:  Resonating jeanine…….
Anna W_NY:  Thank you, Patricia. The Message “seeks tremendous engagement with Humanity, sooner rather than later.” Let us not underestimated what is called for here.
Virpi_FI:  May we all become free to serve and strong with our practice, NNC
Tonia_Denmark:  Welcome Joshua
Joyanne_Canada:  Thank you Patricia, may we mature, stabilize, dig in and deliver in the ways that come to us, as we go….forward
Alexa-ColOmbia:  What a beautiful engagement and union of hearts and minds here today… thank you all _/l\_
Martin_Australia:  Heidi, I am strengthened to hear that you feel that too
manuel germany :):  @Patricia. Thank you for your words. I am here to work and I am so grateful to be able to do so and I believe all of NMG students feel the same way…
Greg_UK:  Nasi Novare Coram, Mavran Mavran Conay Mavran
Youngkyo_Korea:  Thank you all. Nasi Novare Coram
JeffreyAdler_ATL:  Joshua, you are in good company. “Heaven shines its light on those who can respond.” MVS
Heidi_Germany:  And Manuel, you are r e a ll y good worker
Rudy_Boulder:  Regarding foundation building and pillar work. One thing that I like to keep in mind is to be flexible and be able to bend in certain ways that may be needed in the moment or in a circumstance. As the building in Los Angeles and Mexico city are build to be flexible during times of earthquakes, so they do not collapse, even though they have a strong foundation. The winds will change direction, the currents will change direction, so I try to build stability while maintaining flexibility. As Marshall has told us, be flexible like the trees and bend with the wind. I make it an effort to not get some caught up in the foundation building that I lose sight of other small adjustments that may need to be made along the way. Small adjustments, but important ones along the way.
Greg_UK:  @Jeffrey AMEN
Joyanne_Canada:  thank you Rudy for that great insight and reminder..
MarkBerger:  “The problem with problems is that you treat small problems (not enough money, for example) as big problems and the big problem (not being with knowledge) as a small problem.” – paraphrase from somewhere in the wisdom books
Anna W_NY:  “Heaven smiles upon those who receive its gifts”
Thomas_Oregon:  I am happy that I can finally serve the truth. NNC
manuel germany :):  You are so kind Heidi – thank you
Anna W_NY:  Sorry, it should be “Share” not “reveive”
Keiko_Ita:  Nasi Novare Coram. Thank you so much every one of you….
Sang Hyun_CA_Korea:  @Kelton, thank you for the quote. It feels very powerful!
LaRaeUK:  Good point Kristina…
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Levy, (9:01), fascinating observation and an excellent example of contrast!
MVS Society:  Dear all. Know those forces, thoughts and influences, both from within and from without, that can take you out of your journey and purpose here. Know these objectively, write them down and do not forget. This is an important part of self-Knowledge, Knowledge of yourself. Be the Guardian of your emerging Knowledge and trajectory in life. This has been a necessary part of my preparation that I share with you now.
Sally_Boulder:  Thank you Javier for sharing, and Ana, Reed, what you said above…
MaryL_Boulder:  @Rudy, yes flexiblity and deep roots. The foundation is deep but the structure above the ground must bend with the forces. Be like the bamboo.
Shane – New Zealand:  when Carol talked about the Teachers today, something clicked for me. It was like a recognition, although I understood that the messages etc were from the Teachers from my studying, today it became known to me.
Sang Hyun_CA_Korea:  Hi Raehyung, Good to see you again!
cole_boulder:  Thank you Sally – “our lives becoming more simple… so that we may serve something greater than them, if only we are free to do so” reminds me of Step 132 – Let Me Learn to be Free so that I May Join
Val_Westport:  About relationships and life in general, the New Message tells us that our early attempts are about learning what doesn’t work. It is a joy to find that as we mature, our projects and relating with the world becomes more effective and complete, though there is always more to learn and be and do, things start working for us; it’s that marvelous wind of Knowledge, filling our sails.
Dariel_Boulder:  So well put and strong, SoL!
Shane – New Zealand:  thank you Marshall
justin-calif-!:  I have to run, gang- much thanx for all your wisdom and strength!
LaRaeUK:  Thank you for that MVS….must be ever vigilant.
Thomas_Oregon:  Rudy, is that flexibility natural to you, an innate, ready-made strength? It is not one of my natural strengths. So I have to engage more actively to face tension and rigidity.
cole_boulder:  Thank you Marshall
LaRaeUK:  Blessings Justin!!
Greg_UK:  SHOOT I have to go to work right now – love you all LOVE YOU MARSHALL
Anna W_NY:  Great thanks for that wisdom, MVS. Thank you, all.
Joyanne_Canada:  Thank you Marshall.. valuable statement to pay attention to. NNC
Rudy_Boulder:  so caught up**
Tonia_Denmark:  Writing down your words, Marshall! – Thank you.
Adria_Poland:  @Sally, thank you for sharing this. Marshall has reminded that “you practice all the time. You choose what to practice.” Indeed, everything we do is a practice. This strikes me with need to be extremely aware of what is happening inside, to always be listening and honest with our experience and thoughts. Also, in accordance to the Quote found by Kelton, our internal work doesn’t need to be focused on personal problems, on solving the dreams and fears, but indeed we need to calibrate how we are in relation the world, people, places. To listen carefuly, to watch over the horizon and how does the possible changes makes us feel, what do we feel needs to be changed or prepared for the future; being present to each person, each moment out in the world. The 80/20 rule – the perspective of being a New Message student, of knowing we came here to do a certain task not only for ourselves, but for many other.
Mike_LF_CAL:  Welcome Joshua Gray!
Patricia_Society:  @Thomas – Thank you “regarding problems…” Problem recognition/identification. So, so very important. My step the last few days, Step 267: “There is a simple solution to all the problems that I face…” Actively scanning for problems – expecting them, just as patients coming through the Emergency Room door. Of course they will come. Of course they will be injured, sick, disjointed or even near death. Of course. This is Separation. We are all struggling with the Crisis. Using the nursing assessment and documentation model Of S – O – A – P is a tool I am looking to apply. S- Subjective(What do I hear myself or others actually say or demonstrate indicating that there is a problem? O – Objective (What do I see or hear? What are the signs/symptoms that there is a problem? A – Assessment – What is the problem? What is it? Call it…..make the determination, if only in the moment for now? P – Plan ( What must I do or not do? What must be done or not done? S-O-A- P….
Patricia_Society:  … Subjective/Objective/Assessment/Plan. One method or rubric for helping to identify and realize there is a problem, for keeping evolving problems in view, and a systematic approach for “meeting” them if possible, with greater acuity and efficacy…..Thank you all again….
nenette_istanbul:  Yes @Patricia thank you: ”The Message is vast. And it seeks tremendous engagement with Humanity, sooner rather than later………and yet for decades, centuries and millenia…May it be so, and as the early community, may we mature, stabilize, dig in and deliver in the ways that come to us, as we go….forward”
Carol_Society:  Gratitude to everyone, and I hope to ‘see’ on the Vigil later tonight all who can join with us, in whatever way you are able. Nasi Novare Coram.
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you dear Messenger. This is such an important directive. I am grateful and will do this preparation. This morning I was suffering from shame over something I did not see and felt I should have and… Shame has always been a big stumbling block and, now I realize, a big de-stabilizer. Thank you for this directive.
Kristina FL:  Marshall, how do you really know these forces until you encounter them?
Josef Austria:  @Joshua, welcome!
Javier S. Fl:  Remembering what MVS said at an Encampment regarding we must be like Oaks in our practice. Trying once to rip out a small Oak tree that was in the way. No taller than Myself and a trunk no thicker than my thumb. I almost blew out L4-L5. Do not under estimate how deep those roots go!
Betty:  Thank you much gratitude to all, Nasi Novare Coram
Shane – New Zealand:  Its like what makes this spiritual practice hard also makes it simple, because your practice is your life, so we are always practice. it is a way of being, living the way of knowledge. well that is how it is for me.
nenette_istanbul:  Thank you @MVS : ”Dear all. Know those forces, thoughts and influences, both from within and from without, that can take you out of your journey and purpose here. Know these objectively, write them down and do not forget. This is an important part of self-Knowledge, Knowledge of yourself. Be the Guardian of your emerging Knowledge and trajectory in life. This has been a necessary part of my preparation that I share with you now.”
Joe_UK:  Thank you all for your sharing and participation here and throughout this Vigil. May we keeping moving, step by step, up the mountain, together. NNC
Sally_Boulder:  OH PATRICIA YES…the S.O.A.P practice, thank you…
Heidi_Germany:  Thank you Marshall for sharing this wisdom with us.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @MarkBerger (9:12) thanks for sharing that quote… I needed that!
MaryL_Boulder:  @Patricia, thank you so much for that rubic SOAP. I think I go from S(Subjective) to P (Gotta fix it). Now I slow down since hopefully my life is not a Emergency Room condition.
Tonia_Denmark:  I experience that being present is leaving less time to remember which mistakes not to repeat. Unless it is written down which saves time though the maze of fog.
jeanine_Society:  Thank you to all on this Chat today….such a blessing to hear your perspectives on the Steps’ Vigil, from around the world. And to know that you are helping to keep the Fire of Knowledge alive through your Spiritual Practice and via your words and actions as you allow Knowledge to come through you…. Nasi Novare Coram.
Jangsun_Korea:  Thank you Patricia for sharing your systematic approach SOAP. Very helpful for dealing with problems.
Thomas_Oregon:  @Patricia_Society Thank you. “Call it…..make the determination…” As a way to counter a tendency to not want to see problem at work, I bring to mind a patient or picture the scene at work, and ask if there is anything I need to know at the start of the day, or before entering a situation. This seems to lessen the anxiety of my responsibility and orient me toward an empowered, “life-saving,” “problem-intervening” mind set, careful not to take any other’s well being for granted.
Kristina FL:  Thank you all for sharing, Nasi Novare Coram
Heidi_Germany:  Thank you all for having been able to join you.
Adria_Poland:  @Patricia, thank you. Such a simple tool, yet just sitting down and looking at a problem longer than 10 minutes can yield results, makes us see more than we initially thought. I am always struck with our little group exercises during events where we write down our thoughts and then share and discuss – so much more cames out when there is concentration and digging deeper. Thank you so much for sharing.
Martin_Australia:  Mark, yeah something like Small problem, big response. Big problem, small response (or reaction) It’s in Wisdom 2, I think
Val_Westport:  Great gratitude to Marshall, the Society and to you all, for this nourishing, sacred rendezvous here in the consecrated ground of our hearts and our minds, in the Presence of Very God and the Teachers of God. We are Blessed with a powerful mandate and a new way of life. Nasi Novare Coram.
manuel germany :):  …we are here because we are the gardeners spreading the NMG seeds and the wisdom through a needy Earth… it is a long term project… and no one said its gonna be easy, however knowing that God is in all of us, nothing can go wrong… Thank you very much to you all. Nasi Novare Coram
Rudy_Boulder:  Thomas, I am not sure if it is a natural ability, but being flexible is something that I’ve had to work at over the years. The New Messages teachings have helped in this regard. I remember the first time I read in Living the Way of Knowledge about not allowing the mind to become concrete and to keep stirring it. Marshall recently shared this with us during this Vigil and that statement about keeping the mind flexible stayed with me and I have tried to apply it into my practices. Nature teaches us that the environment is constantly changing so the animals need to adapt to those situations. That was a good observation for me to build foundation, but to remain flexible at the same time. Thank you.
Debbie-MI:  @Kristina FL-To respond to your question, my experience with these forces has been that they are often life events that have the potential to take you off guard, to suck up too much of your energy, and yet are seemingly urgent, often painful and sometimes seem scary and threatening in some way. Fortunately, I have been able to hold my ground and make consistent progress in my practice in the NM but it has been a challenge and was something I had to very consciously work at.
Alexa-ColOmbia:  @ Martin: one of my favourite quotes…
Josef Austria:  Thank you Marshall!
Kristina FL:  Thank you Debbie for sharing
Adria_Poland:  Thank you Marshall
LaRaeUK:  Deepest gratitude to The Messenger for holding this vigil, keeping our practice fresh…with so much wisdom and guidance and to all the people who help bring it to us. Deep heartfelt thanks for helping keep Knowledge alive in the world.
Alexa-ColOmbia:  Much love and gratitude to all. See you at the Vigil. Nash Novare Coram
Alexa-ColOmbia:  Nasi Novare Coram
Martin_Australia:  Alex, yeah, that hit deep when I read it. I was like,”ah, you got me”
Thomas_Oregon:  Rudy, thank you. In my own self-knowing, I have noticed that some strengths are more innate, so rather than working on them, per se, I must clear the way for them to be expressed. Whereas other abilities are more tenuous and need more development over time.
manuel germany :):  @Shane – New Zealand. I agree: “Its like what makes this spiritual practice hard also makes it simple, because your practice is your life, so we are always practice. it is a way of being, living the way of knowledge. well that is how it is for me.” thank you – what we do over and over again become a habitude, but it is not easy because of our conditioning, fears, insecurities…
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you Patricia for the SOAP info! Helps much!
Alio-Austin:  Good bye and thank you all for now. Mark B, I did see your words and thank you. I think you understand more than I am saying here. Blessings to all.
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you so much for all who share here. It has been a powerful way to take in the Vigil offerings on a deeper level. I am so grateful for this powerful and deep time of Vigil and I am aware of the ‘bestowal’ that is being conferred on each of us. Thank you so much for the deep and vulnerable sharing we are being given.
Josef Austria:  @Patricia, I will make also this SOAP for myself. Thank you!
Tonia_Denmark:  Thank you Nenette, for reposting the important words
Patricia_Society:  S. O. A. P It was amazing watching the Emergency Room staff for many years, in their confrontation with both stunning and perhaps life limiting problems coming through the door. There were never frenetic….their treatment responses – pretty darn direct, almost measured….They had to call the problem right as they saw it, do what was needed right there, and re-evaluate later with all the help and experience of other experts or technology in order to confirm their assessment and the rapid response approach they took. Were they on or off with treatment? Is the patient more stable? Less stable? I always watched their eyes for what they may be thinking…. Though by demeanor, not frenetic just focused..determined…..their eyes,…”How’s the patient? God, how’s the patient. What’s happening? What’s next?”
MVS Society:  Kristine, you have already encountered many of the inner and outer forces of dissuasion, more than once. Log them, remember them, prepare for them, defend against them when necessary. This is the martial art of self awareness. Failure begins with what you tell yourself here.
MarkBerger:  You’re welcome, Alio. Something MVS has emphasized in this Vigil is that our lives can so easily be taken off course, which I have experienced several times, that we need to build a very steady and deep foundation to withstand the inevitable distractions, inducements and attractions that life throws at us.
Tom_SanFrancisco:  the true martial artist wields a 2-bladed sword: one bald faces out at the opposing forces, one blade faces in to cut through ones one mistaken mind. –an idea from Chogyam Trungpa
Mike_LF_CAL:  “This is the martial art of self awareness.” copy that!
Kristina FL:  Thank you Marshall
Darlene_Society:  We are building our capacity together. Thank you all for adding to this sacred wisdom container. See you tonight at the Vigil.
Tyyne_Society:  Last night when MVS spoke about the 4 pillars and becoming structural – the 80/20 rule… While I was working on mapping my mind and attending to this needed process, I was also changing jobs, finding increased stability in my work pillar. Just days before the Vigil started I began a another new job. Again a move that will provide greater financial stability. I find this to be a pressing need right now. External stabilization – 80%, and the internal processes – 20%. Plus the very real and sometimes mundane needs of the New Message and where it’s going and how to serve it. Perhaps that’s why the mind mapping process took as long as it did for there was other work going on as well. Working toward structural on all fronts.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you to Marshall, Patricia, Reed and the Society and all my fellow students! See you all tonight! Nasi Novare Coram
MVS Society:  Thank you Tom for this Martial Art wisdom. May the true guardian in all of us arise with wisdom, compassion and the strength to endure.
Tyyne_Society:  Thank you Marshall, Patricia, Reed, Jeanine and Dar and all of you gathered. Really, thank you.
Shane – New Zealand:  Thank you Marshall, the Society and all. Nasi Novare Coram
Thomas_Oregon:  @Patricia_Society – this directness, focus, determination that you are speaking to.. Yes, I’m thinking about this now, trying to recall how this intersects with Studenthood.
Mike_LF_CAL:  Thank you Marshall, The Society and all the WWC. Mavran Mavran Conay Mavran. Nasi Novare Coram.
Val_Westport:  Thomas, everything we encounter is grist for the mill of our studenthood.
Insuk _Korea:  Thank you Marshall, Patricia, Reed and All. NNC
Tonia_Denmark:  Thank you, Patricia. It reminds me of when I was assisting vetenarians at an animals hospital when they were doing surgery on their patients. Asking about their well being, caring for taking the patient safely to the other side of their current circumstance.
Eron_Boulder:  Blessings everyone…Nasi Novare Coram
Tonia_Denmark:  It really was a deepfelt experience
cole_boulder:  thank you for your demonstration Tyyne
Debbie-MI:  Thank you Tyyne for sharing your experience! The 4 pillars and 80/20 rules is so important to keep in the forefront of consciousness and application. One of the many things I love about the NM is that it is not only about consciousness but is also about daily application and taking action as appropriate.
LaRaeUK:  Thank you Tyyne…..your gentle wisdom and kindness always penetrates.
Sally_Boulder:  Thank you Tyyne in sharing the reality in your studenthood and ground work. And thank you all for your participation and reception. NNC
Thomas_Oregon:  I am reminded of a contrast between a state of un-response-ability and response-ability, avoidance of things verse getting my mind “in the game”. I have had to remind myself at certain moments, “nows your chance to get engaged, to influence the outcome of things here and now,” remembering what it felt like to avoid these opportunities in the past.
Tyyne_Society:  So true, Debbie. Practical application in the world while becoming effective – mentally/emotionally/physically/spiritually – to participate in service to the Messenger and those who sent him and those here on the ground. Thank you.
Josef Austria:  Thank you all! Nasi Novare Coram!
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you Debbie!
Javier S. Fl:  Blessings too all…Nasi Novare Coram


One Response to "Campfire Chat June 3, 2017"

  1. Hyeonam Posted on June 10, 2017 at 7:23 am

    Thank you all. NNC

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