Campfire Chat June 10, 2017

 Carol_Society:  As we wait for others to gather, let us take a few minutes to be with the wisdom of the Messenger on Saturday, June 3:

“I have walked the back streets of Aleppo and Lahore, visited the slums of Jakarta and witnessed the ravaged people and nation of Cambodia. I saw. I was moved. I will remember them. It is for them and their children also that I give this to the world. They are the first to be imperiled by the Great Wares, the reality of war and all the instability to come.”

“In practicing Steps in the past, I generally have stayed 2-3 days on a Step if I found that I needed it specifically. You can always come back to a highlighted Step after you have finished Steps Level 1 and spend more time on it along with other related reading in the NMG as a special study. Steps wants to keep you moving at a steady pace, not too fast, not too slow. Consistency is the key here.”

“Alone we have potential. Together we have power.”

“Know those forces, thoughts and influences, both from within…

Carol_Society:  … and from without, that can take you out of your journey and purpose here. Know these objectively, write them down and do not forget. This is an important part of self-Knowledge, Knowledge of yourself. Be the Guardian of your emerging Knowledge and trajectory in life. This has been a necessary part of my preparation that I share with you now.”

“You have already encountered many of the inner and outer forces of dissuasion, more than once. Log them, remember them, prepare for them, defend against them when necessary. This is the martial art of self awareness. Failure begins with what you tell yourself here.”

“May the true guardian in all of us arise with wisdom, compassion and the strength to endure.”

Inhee_Korea:  Hello everyone.
Etienne _ France:  Hello everyone
lingling-China:  hello everyone
Raoul_Australia:  From Australia, hello everyone
Dariel_Boulder:  And here we are,”gathering in the presence of the Messenger…” How blessed are we?
Tyyne_Society:  It is now the hour. Blessed we are, Dariel. Let us take a moment of stillness to listen inside and outside. “This is a day of thanksgiving, for your prayers have been answered. Your need has been responded to. The gift has been given to you to reclaim your Knowledge…” – Step 281
LaRaeUK:  His words are so moving. My heart breaks for the impoverished souls of the word, be it physical poverty or poverty of the soul.
Raoul_Australia:  Thank you Dariel, I was just thinking about the miracle of being living at the time of the Messenger
Raehyung_Korea:  Hi everyone
Insuk_Korea:  Hello everyone
Heidi_Germany:  Hello everyone!
Jos_Netherlands:  Hello everyone
Alexandra-ColOmbia:  @Dariel- And today we are extra blessed… with the chat AND the Steps Vigil
Shawn_Moose Jaw:  Warm greetings from Canada, truly blessed to be here Dariel.
Serena_NM:  Hello everyone!
Tonia_Denmark:  Hello all. Nnc
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Hearing all the testimonials from different individuals coming from different backgrounds and experience was very inspiring to me. What each said opened up many things for me and my practice and life. Hearing Marshall and Patricia expand on the STK and what it contains and what we need to unlearn and learn again was powerful and a bit overwhelming for me. Yet, knowing where I have come from, my promise to my Spiritual Family and the giving of myself which must take place more and more has given me much more to practice and begin to apply in my life. The Vigil is “something else” in contrast to what we are accustomed to and conditioned to think and feel. The NM is truth which I cannot deny or avoid. It is a blessing for the world, others and myself. NNC
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Indeed Dariel! Thank you!
LaRaeUK:  We are blessed beyond dear Dariel…..beyond our comprehension.
Joyanne_Canada:  So True Jim B, resonating with what you stated
LaRaeUK:  Hear hear dearest Jim. Your words touch my soul as always.
Val_Boulder:  How Blessed are we? That’s a time-release question; its answer keeps on unfolding.
Kahala_Oregon:  Filled with deep gratitude.
Mike_LF_CAL:  Do we all realize the profound truth we have been blessed with knowing? God has sent a New Message into the world! AND that God has sent a new Messenger into the world and WE KNOW IT!
Dariel_Boulder:  I am blown away by the gifts of this Vigil–the gifts being given by the AA throught the Messenger… We are truly teathered
Raoul_Australia:  Very true @Jim, thank you for stating that so well!
Mike_LF_CAL:  …it is endlessly AMAZING to me…
Carol_Society:  Once again, it is a pleasure to welcome each of you. Such a gift is your presence here in this sacred environment. Thank you for making the journey, for stopping along the road to gather at the Campfire with your fellow students and with the Messenger, whose presence is also with us, always. May we be with him….
Virpi_Fi:  Joining from Finland, hello everyone!
Dariel_Boulder:  …tethered to Heaven.
MaryS_MerrieB:  “There he goes again,” is what I think when @Raoul_Australia says, “I was just thinking about ….” What I was just thinking about a day or so ago was a certain homonym that appears in the quotes at the top of this chat; the fact that I only noticed it now makes me loathe to point it out, but I see now. This engine, why it almost looks German, so well-made and … well, like a campaign.
Tyyne_Society:  Welcome to today’s chat. This chat is the 6th week of the 2-month Free School session “Knowledge and Spiritual Practice”. This chat also takes place during the 20-day period in which the Messenger Marshall Vian Summers received Steps to Knowledge in 1989 – the book of practices in the Greater Community Way of Knowledge. We are in the midst of this powerful time of testimonials and the Messenger’s special teachings to us.
Surina_Calif.:  Good Day, Everyone. Wonderful to be here with the WWC. I am honored to be a student and to be in The Circle of the Messenger. Nasi Novare Coram
Tyyne_Society:  To begin our discussion, here is the question: In your experience of The Steps Vigil this past week, what impacted you the most?
Joyanne_Canada:  Yes Dariel, the gifts of the Vigil, the insights, wisdom and counselling for our journey’s is priceless and unmatched. It seems to be expanding us so much in the correct direction. Fills me with deep gratitude. The Testimonies are so moving and impacting.
Alexandra-ColOmbia:  @Val: so true… the image of a lotus flower pops up in my mind´s eye….
LaRaeUK:  Quite Mike LF CAL quite.
Javier S. Fl:  Good morning everyone
Russell_Sask:  What concerns me is how the Students will fare in the future, on their own. Yes we share a connection but it is much much easier and vivid in person. I so wanted to be at the Vigil in person. I wanted to be able to give my friend a hearty hug and just to be there with him. Even started prepping the Bike for a Long Distance ride. I did the math I just can’t make it $ wise, endurance wise. We got hit with a massive storm yesterday as I was working on the Bike. over 3 inches of rain in 1 hour or less. There were Great Waves in the Streets.. I used to ride Ironbutt style 1000 miles a day but Geezerhood is creeping in on me. Plus I only had 5 days worth of work last month so the cost factor weighs heavy. All those actually present are very fortunate.
JeffreyAdler_Boulder:  I liked Marshall’s question to conclude each day, “What was meaningful today?”
Cole_Boulder:  @Val – thank you, yes… it occurred to me last night that I cannot yet even appreciate the significance of being gathered here, as a worldwide community, around the Messenger, and at the home of the NM, for those of us here. To receive a New Message from God in his time…. All I know is that I must participate, and as I participate, understanding and appreciation will follow, sooner or later.
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you for the image of “stopping along the road to gather at the Campfire with your fellow students and with the Messenger.” This is truly a gathering of those who are ‘blessed’ and we come together around a ‘campfire’ where we share this resonance that Calls and Calls us to come up the mountain to join the Messenger. He needs us NOW.
Levy_Boulder:  Yes, Jeffrey, MVS’ question “What was meaningful today?” stood out for me as well.
Joyanne_Canada:  Hard to tell Tyyne, what impacted me the most because its seems everything is going deeply into my being. Each word spoken strikes at the heart of me, Ever moving me, impacting me, expanding me. So many insights and wisdoms. I know I will have to study each one closely, I also re listen to them at bed time each night that each testimony can go deeper within
Bethne_UK:  Hello everybody
MarkBerger:  What has impacted me the most is the practical guidance MVS gave on the 80/20 rule: focusing on the mundane with 80% of my time/energy and 20% on inner life/connection to God.
LaRaeUK:  I think what has impacted me the most is the testimony of each of the students, the committment and dedication to The Message and The Messenger that has inspired them to keep going and going. Such brilliant examples all of them, for those of us who are still so new to this path.
Raoul_Australia:  Last week the Vigil made me feel the miracle of being living at the time of the Messenger – receiving directly his Teachings is a privilege. I also felt the importance of the Worldwide Community of Students- a place where we are recognized…in the sense that we are known, this is the antidote to the accusations that the Great Darkness in the world will inevitably bring upon our work.
Shawn_Moose Jaw:  One word: Abeyance. This stood out for me as a new form of practice.
Betty:  Hello everyone
Virpi_Fi:  Yes Mark 80/20 stayed with me too.
42415:  After spending 8 days in Boulder, I was struck by the small number of dedicated students, first responders, that walk with the Messenger and collaborate daily, cheerfully, powerfully and effectively to bring the New Message to the world. I am inspired by the great work that they do. I am inspired to work harder and more effectively with other students. I feel renewed in so many ways by the Vigil.
Alison_Boulder:  @Tyyne, three things come to me right now that were impactful from the Vigil: The willingness & preparation of those leading our evenings and those from afar in sharing testimonials, the emphasis on the benefit of review & repetition (PS reviewing MVS’ words last night, Tamara speaking to journal review, MVS stressing the need for consistency), and something very important to me: A few strong mentions of the need to led go of the idea of perfection.
Debbie_MI:  @Joyanne-I feel the same way about it being difficult to say what impacted me the most as it all truly had a deep impact for me and spoke to me in a variety of ways. This Vigil has been so meaningful and profound to me. It is truly a sacred time together.
Ginny_Dallas:  Hello everyone.
Keiko_Ita:  Hello everyone!
Lin_Boulder:  I am deeply moved by the union, the magnificent relationship that MVS and Patricia demonstrate, when MVS’s words and wisdom are spoken through Patricia. You are the oasis of love, compassion and giving to us, to the WWC, and to the world.
Val_Boulder:  The Grace, the strength of our fellowship together with the Messenger, the Presence of Very God among and within us, moments of Heaven-on-Earth, a glimpse of what it can mean to be living in service beyond the veil…
Paul_MA:  Most impactful: the words of Marshall, the testimonial of students, and the Opening Discussions of each speaker and their discussion of a Step that meant much to them…And hearing the Steps in foreign languages.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @ Russell good pt. We are blessed to be among the 1st to respond and this brings with it great honesty and responsibility! When the Messenger leaves us it will be up to us on how we respond to the world and what is coming and what is here. Yet, I do feel strongly that we are among the 1st for our need was great for truth. It will be up to us to live that truth in the times to come! This is a burden yes but with any great gift comes great meaning, purpose and direction for each one of us, others and the world.
Joyanne_Canada:  so true Debbie, it truly feels like a most precious sacred time together
LaRaeUK:  I am also struck by those qualities Marshall is looking for and needing from the students of The New Message. So critical to understand what qualities and committment he needs from us.
Darlene_Society:  @42415 Please tell us your name so we can know you.]
Donald_Pa:  What impacts me first are the heart felt testimonials of every presenter. Such a presence in the humble honesty that comes across very well. Then the gifts of testimony from Marshall and Patricia shedding light to assist as we walk this path of discovery together.
Kari_H_Finland:  @Russell, yes, the gathering of WWC is a powerful event and something you would like to participate at every turn possible but Heaven needs us to be around the world. I have been also wondering what would happen if we loose our connection with each other through Internet.
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you Jeffrey, for reminding me of this question. “Above all Else I Seek KN…seek that which will serve everything through you.” These last two evenings the AA has been with us–Calling and Calling through the Messenger and Patricia… The words (paraphrase), “Heaven is unimaginable here as being in the world is unimaginable from there.” How challenging this inter-reality communication must be for THEM–and yet they keep Calling, Calling to us…
Heidi_Germany:  I felt moved by MVS mentioning the huge burden to bring his voice now into the world and the feeling that me must do our best to support him.
Heidi_Germany:  that we must support him.
Joyanne_Canada:  I am struck and in awe of the student testimonies of their journey’s. They are such a impacting demonstration for me, Their testimonies, diligence to the Message and the Messenger pull me up this mountain, and sparks more commitment within me.
Kristina_Boulder:  One night when MVS was not in the room with us, Patricia said that he is with us, just not in the room. It made me think about the future and gave me a glimpse of how Vigil might look like when MVS is gone. Patricia sitting in Marshall’s chair….
Mike_LF_CAL:  @ Tynne, just one of the many wisdom’s that stood out for me was from 6/8 when Marshall was reviewing certain passages from Steps Marshall said (approximate quote)“…The person who does not prepare will misuse the revelation. They will assume it’s a belief, an attitude,& a certain advantages way of being but it won’t be natural, it won’t be real and it will be inappropriate…” This statement very powerfully impacted me with the immense importance of proper preparation…AM I A REAL STUDENT OF KNOWLEDGE yet?
LaRaeUK:  Oh my Kristina…..that moves me.
Raoul_Australia:  @Kristina, same here, I had a glimpse of that
Joyanne_Canada:  Yes Kristina that stood out for me too. Like it was a preparation for us students of the time to come when MVS will be with us, but not in person.
Ken_Boulder:  42415 is Ken_Boulder
54315:  Good day to all
Dariel_Boulder:  Yes Shawn! The word ‘Abeyance’ stood out for me as well. To hold the skills and wisdom we have accrued in ‘abeyance’ until needed.
david_drimmel:  Mike – Exactly what I’m feeling
Val_Boulder:  Mike, that’s a valid question–and to honor the Messenger and your Teachers, there is only one answer.
Alison_Boulder:  @Kristina I wrote that same thing in my journal.
Darlene_Society:  Thank you, Ken.
Adria_work:  @Kristina I can relate. This makes me cherish Messenger’s presence more, makes me more determined.
Joyanne_Canada:  I am feeling such gratitude for everyone here, in our World Wide Community. Blessed are we, and Blessed is the Messenger. We are so rich and loved.
Raoul_Australia:  @Mike, thank you, I felt that too…you describe it so well
Russell_Sask:  The impact of Great Waves is observed even locally if one looks. We had water spout in the isles of Real Canadian Super Store in the torrential downpour yesterday. People wake boarding behind trucks in the streets. People not really paying attention to how this effects our infrastructure. RCSS had to close while clean up was occurring. The other big stores picked up the overload of shoppers. But But how will they deal with a larger longer failure. Its not time to be playing in the rain. Think Irish Rover song about Unicorns playing in the rain and washed away.
JeffreyAdler_Boulder:  Right, Kristina, I thought of that, too, and have been. Thank you.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you Lin and Kristina for what you have said! Resonating! Marshall will be with us as we are with him for the Mystery and Presence is always there and we are a part of it as great as it is!!!
MarkBerger:  a·bey·ance
a state of temporary disuse or suspension.
Debbie_MI:  Just a few of the things that moved me deeply were hearing the Steps in foreign languages, all the testimonies that were so sincere and powerful, the way Patricia spoke about what Marshall was saying and the way she expressed it with such clarity and power, and the way I felt that whenever Marshall spoke I felt like he was speaking to me directly and to each one of us directly.
Cole_Boulder:  I was struck two nights ago by what Marshall was saying about being gentle on the inside and tough on the outside….to have the wisdom to follow K and to be flexible enough to act as it needs us to act – reserved in some situations, forthright in others… and that we need to be the same person in all situations (paradox? at a greater vantage, no). At this year’s past Messenger’s vigil he spoke of “safeguarding the mystery” within, and I think back to this now as I consider these things… to become a reliable vehicle for spirit to move in the world, carrying a remembrance that what we see around us isn’t all there is, that there are greater forces at work, moving within and beyond us, beneath the surface.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thanks Mike_LF that too struck me strongly.
Kari_H_Finland:  My heart has been moved several times during the Steps Vigil and I am so grateful for this, grateful to have this opportunity to remember where have I come from, why have I come and what must I do. It is so easy to forget in this reality without the shared experiences and wisdom from the WWC.
Rudy_Boulder:  One thing that has remain with me from the Vigil is the reference of patience. Marshall speaking about having to be patient for 5 years to receive Steps, while preparing in the meantime. The Step that Will shared with us is one that I hold close to me. Step 101, The World Needs Me, But I Will Wait. Patience has the potential to create other skills that are needed, faith, strength and determination.
shrimayi Netherlands:  What moved me was the things Marshall said the 14e day .
Martin_Boulder:  @Lin, nice observation
MaryS_MerrieB:  abeyance, MarkBerger and many who have mentioned a sense of restraint: “latency.”
Tonia_Denmark:  Many bits and pieces have impacted me. Especially the fact that there keys to recieve and it is important to keep up. It means a lot to see the familiar faces, and listen to their brave and sometimes funny stories. It is really deeply heartfelt.
Joyanne_Canada:  Last night Patricia’s delivery of MVS’s talk the night before, just brought it all back but it seems at a greater more in depth level. Patti and I ended up watching Night 14 again, to hear MVS, Yet I found Patricia’s speaking on it made it strike harder somehow
MaryL_Boulder:  @Mike, yes those words had a great impact on me of the importance of preparation as a student or we will even with good intentions misrepresent the New Message and worse, betray the Messenger. That is a responsibility that must be taken with seriously. Look what happened to the previous Messages from God through the Messengers.
Russell_Sask:  The language barrier is the key to unified actions. Yes translations are useful but what about a universal human language so we can really understand each other?
Mathieu-France:  Yes, Rudy, active waiting…
Joyanne_Canada:  @Russell I am sure the NM says, paraphrasing here.. It was given in English as it will be the common language of our world, eventually
Jangsun_Korea:  Yes, Joyanne, I felt the same thing.
Val_Boulder:  Russell, we are learning that language: Knowledge within us has power to communicate beyond what we now know. There’s a lot more to learn about being human.
MaryS_MerrieB:  Russell, the “universal human” sweetly enough is an Age of Women human, a.k.a. “a man and woman of Knowledge” (and/or as case may be: “and” is how to find on wiki)

94180:  I was most impacted and confirmed when I arrived at the vigil on a bicycle, was arranging my backpack and getting ready to freshen up at the bathroom, when Marshall surprised me with his hand on my shoulder and the most beaming smile I have ever seen. I was confirmed.

That is likely all I will say today here in the chat but I will be following. Love and strength to all.

Kristina_Boulder:  Thats why attending every single gathering where MVS is present is important to me (however I’m not always able to do it) as I don’t want to have regrets later on for missed opportunities. I want to remember his presence, so later on I will be able to recognize it.
Tonia_Denmark:  Also words from the messenger is so incouraging that any clouds on the sky breaks and the sun shines through. That is really breath taking and marvellous to experience a strenght like that.
Arthur:  @Russell Knowledge is our universal language.
LaRaeUK:  Oh how blessed you are 94180…
Mike_LF_CAL:  @94180 share with us your name?
Joyanne_Canada:  Thank you to Patricia for last nights Broadcast.. You made what MVS stated come alive in a whole new perspective for me, Yet when He spoke on night 14, I was intently listening to each word, but you make me see what he said in a much broader perspective. Gratitude,
LaRaeUK:  I resonate with that deeply Kristina…….
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you Mike… “Am I a REAL STUDENT OF KNOWLEDGE yet?” Do I have the necessary wisdom? I was struck again and again by MVS’ directive–go back and reclaim that ‘Hard Won Wisdom’. Do not waste time and mistakes to reclaim something I already won once…
Tonia_Denmark:  94180 That great to hear!
Kristina_Boulder:  @Cole, I thought about it as well.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @ Rudy MVS told me a few chats back that paraphrasing “patience is necessary in our practice and it takes time. That is what time is for.”
94180:  I am Alio and am logged in on a phone but not this machine which Levy loaned me. I’ll correct thet on this machine.
Carol_Society:  @Shrimayi, Joyanne: Just one of the impacts for me is MVS teaching on Rememberance, Day 14. I replayed and replayed again – after the broadcast, early morning, late afternoon – then transcribed as best I could, another way to take it in, word by word, phrase by phrase: “…how can you remember something that’s beyond time and space? Unless that memory already lives within you. And what can recall that to you, but a gift from where you have come from and what you will return to…to be with a Revelation that has been sent into the world in its purest form, to be amongst those who are the first to respond — Blessed be they [he whispers] — to recite that which was known before and has been forgotten…In our gathering then we have this great opportunity to begin to recover what must be recovered, to recognize what must be recognized, to remember we have not been forgotten.” Oh, such presence with him that evening….I echo Patricia’s invitation to re-experience MVS teachings on Day 14:…
Carol_Society:…hzfMU … And also:
Receiving The Remembrance in Patricia and Reed’s Journal: http://www.newmessage….rance
Audio download of The Remembrance: https://newknowledgeli…load/
Inhee_Korea:  @Rudy ” Patience has the potential to create other skills that are needed, faith, strength and determination.”I agree, thank you.
Raoul_Australia:  I think that my knowing and feeling Marshall’s Presence is also going to be useful for others that will arrive in the future and will ask me about him.
25567:  Hello all. I have been humbled and astounded by the grace and love flowing from the Vigil. The looks of love and profound joy of sharing testimony and fellowship. Thank you to all. Marshall’s reminder of the Rememberance held special meaning
justin-calif-!:  Expect more resistance and attention as time goes on. I have recently had a “person” in an authority position attempt to dissuade me from speaking in a public forum. They will use any and all tricks to influence the mind- and seem confused and bewildered when they can’t “get through” to you-

Maureen-Boulder:  One of the many things I am taking away from this Vigil is the importance of being with the Presence. Just sitting and being with the Presence. Years ago Marshall said to do inner listening – “Listen as if you are sitting with God and (he) has something very important to say to you and you don’t want to miss it.” Imaging I am sitting with another (be it God or the Teachers) somehow seems easier than imaging stillness, and yet, I am still doing this. I feel I am in relationship rather than being alone.

It is such a valuable tool. Things come into the mind – helpful guidance when we are dealing with something difficult. Shifts in perception.

Marshall said that that is how our ancient home is brought into the world which is why we are. This is given importance in the second step. Knowledge is with me but where am I? More and more I am seeing that if we can get the first six steps of Steps to Knowledge, we will have done well. All my course corrections ultimately relate to one of these…

Russell_Sask:  Scientists use the universal language of Mathematics to explain some things. How is it that we drifted so far apart. English although construed as a majority is still very ambiguous by design. Oh how far we must travel in our growth towards each other. I am referring to a world wide body of interconnect language. Yes the Students have Knowledge but presently and for a very foreseeable future it is far from a majority. This is not pessimistic but a reality check.
Kristina FL:  What really touched me during the Vigil is each persons testimonial and presentations, the deep intimacy and honest sharing moved me to tears….Marshall was asking; “How can you remember something that is unimaginable at this reality? “How can you remember something that is beyond time and space? Unless that memory already lives within you….” The vehicle for Heaven must have a certain degree of remembrance here…cannot be complete…a deep feeling of relationship, being known, being directed, the Great Coordination… we have not been forgotten. This Vigil is bringing me closer to this remembrance.
Jorge_Spain:  “what impacted you the most?” I was impacted in particular by Will and Marshall speaking on day 14. In a way, for me the feeling of this Vigil is being overall an unflattering one, revealing my true stand on some important things and the vivid danger of losing my true life due to self-obsession, due to blind spots in essential areas, due to premature assumptions, due to false, superficial attitudes, due to fear and unwillingness to face certain things that, sooner or later, I must face.
Susan_Malaysia:  Thank you, Carol, that part of the Vigil had an impact on me…
Serena_NM:  One thing that stuck with me from watching the Vigil broadcasts was when Patricia said: “Are you living the life you know you must live?” I think it would be good to ask myself this periodically to check if I’m still on track.
Joyanne_Canada:  Thank you Carol, Alissa is also transcribing each night MVS or Patricia speak and has it on her blog, so grateful for this, as it allows me to be with the words spoken in another complete way, as well as re listening to them on my mp3 player, taking them in over and over for me sets what they state, much deeper within ourselves.. but Patricia’s talk last night opened my eyes to read slower take in each sentence and be with it.. a new practice for me I see.
Cole_Boulder:  @Maureen – Thank you for sharing your insights and the recollections of MVS’ advice
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Maureen thanks for sharing that perspective, VERY interesting!
Raoul_Australia:  Thank you Carol, those words struck me deeply “…how can you remember something that’s beyond time and space? Unless that memory already lives within you. And what can recall that to you, but a gift from where you have come from and what you will return to…”
Alio -Austin:  Remembering something beyond previous Earth experience is a gift, very personal. It is revelation.
Shirley-Boulder:  I like that description of sitting with God.
Jangsun_Korea:  @Maureen, thank you. It is a really great tip for listening. “Listen as if you are sitting with God and (he) has something very important to say to you and you don’t want to miss it.”
Joe_UK:  With Marshall’s teaching on the Remembrance and Patricia’s distillation of it, plus Ellen’s reading of “My True Home is in God”, I feel like I have been taken to a whole new level of reality, a new level of Mystery.
Dariel_Boulder:  My thoughts as well, Joyanne. Last night the AA re-iterated the Messenger’s very important words of the night before–through Patricia–so we would not miss the importance. Those who bridge both realities came again last night to reinforce the great importance of the wisdom delivered those two evenings. Did I get it? Will is spend the needed time with this gift to become that dedicated and devoted vehicle THEY need me to be?
LaRaeUK:  Thank you Maureen….profound wisdom in that.
Kristina_Boulder:  I really appreciate testimonials of students, especially when they are making themselves vulnerable and sharing their struggles as I find it very inspirational to see how someone is still here, is till a student despite all the things he/she had to go through. It’s a demonstration of personal strength, wisdom and Knowledge. So, thank you for opening up and sharing. (Tyyne, Tamara, James,…)
Shawn_Moose Jaw:  Well Said Jorge. Although it is abrasive to the personal self , the potency of the kind of honesty is of real value for us who above all else seek Knowledge.
Joyanne_Canada:  @Jorge, Yes this vigil takes us inward to look at ourselves and our journey to see where we can apply new practices and release some things, but for sure facing our selves honestly isn’t easy.. sometimes I find it is in increments that I can slowly face myself
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Kristina_FL I was just about to express the same observation/reactions…thank you.
Kristina FL:  Carol thank you for sharing , i was moved to do the same.
25567:  Thank you Maureen
Raoul_Australia:  @Justin, so true “They will use any and all tricks to influence the mind”, and threats will come from innocent ‘vehicles’ to dissuade us from what we are doing.
Anna W_NY:  I am so amazed at how much is being given during this Vigil, night after night. I thank all of those who are sharing their intimate stories… and of course, thank you for the profound transmissions of Wisdom, Marshall (et al.). At this time I am called to “utter consistency and utter devotion” … and that is exactly what I see before me during this Vigil. I feel the Greater Coordination ushering me into my next phase as a student of Knowledge and I am so grateful to feel this movement in my life. My personal mind is more and more simply along for the ride as something powerful and Mysterious transforms my experience of life, as it must.
Joyanne_Canada:  Thank you Maureen, it feels just like that..Sitting with God,
LaRaeUK:  It is terribly humbling Jorge when we see ourselves as we really are and where we fall short. Yet Knowledge is there to guide us.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you Carol and Maureen! The things you have shared are important!
Dariel_Boulder:  Jorge…Thank you for your description of the vulnerable look at what is missing in you–what needs to be faced. This is so true for me as well.
Keiko_Ita:  What impacted me the most is things related to the GC. How Knowledge is important to contend with other forces in the universe. I feel that it is the time to speak out my personal experience with the Intervention which I am having still. If I had not studied STK, I would have been lost in darkness. But I must tell you also, when I had realized that I was in real trouble, I even thought, why I did this study!! If I had not study NM, I would not have such a problem of the Intervention. But it would be a worse thing I could do at that moment. I could not go back nor quit STP. After 5 days I saw clear evidence from Teachers. I had great help from the Society and other students of UK. I thank you each one of you…with deep gratitude…
shrimayi Netherlands:  @Carol the only thing what is happening all the time listening to the Remembrance is feeling so deep and cry.
MVS Society:  “…the real nature of your spirituality is to be of service in the world, to bring something from your Ancient Home here, to support humanity’s future, its evolution, its unity, its compassion and its care for the world itself.”
THE ONE BOOK: Spiritual Families and the Plan of God
Betty:  Hello Tynne, re the first question, I feel that it is always important to keep in mind the bigger picture, what really matters, and what is really needed at each stage, for your own preparation but also for the NM trajectory. The trajectory in spreading the New Message to the world, and to enable to find those that are meant to join in this. To carry on when needed and to realize that this commitment involve the commitment of many. – A reminder is to be able to see where you have been and where you are now. Mapping where you have been, like a map you consult when needed. Change, adapt and learn from your map, the Steps to Knowledge will help you with this process.
Insuk_Korea:  Thank you Maureen for reminding me about “Listen as if you are sitting with God and (he) has something very important to say to you and you don’t want to miss it.”
Russell_Sask:  I think that the past 8 years of my Student hood I have been able to reach one person that became a student and that was only briefly. I myself have drifted and returned. Still fortunate and appreciative of those gathered in remembrance and Practice of the Ancient ways. Step 297 Really got me last night as I commented of FB. Although it was raining and hailing with deafening results here locally, I felt my Mind Quite enough to hear Angels dancing on the Head of a Pin. At least I felt that way which is something.
LaRaeUK:  Oh Keiko…..I am so pleased you found the help you needed. I cannot imagine what having to deal with the intervention must be like.
Raoul_Australia:  Thank you Keiko for sharing your story about the Intervention, I know what you mean
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Carol, Kristina_FL,Raoul… HOW CAN YOU REMEMBER SOMETHING THAT IS BEYOND TIME AND SPACE? I can’t even wrap my head around that.
Paul_MA:  One question has arisen during this Vigil.. As we become stronger and more aware of our Knowing Mind, Knowledge… what value does our Thinking Mind have to our Knowing Mind….. For if with our Knowing Mind, we know what to do, why then do we need a Thinking Mind?
25567:  Yes, Keiko, Thank you. The intervention is…difficult. Glad you found some help!
Raoul_Australia:  @Mike, yes, hard to fathom!
Alexandra-ColOmbia:  @Jorge “For life here without Knowledge, purpose, meaning and true relationship is miserable, confused and hopeless. If you have the self-honesty to recognize this, then you will begin to see and to recognize the great gift that the Lord of the universe is providing to you now through a New Revelation for humanity. ” The Redemption
Keiko_Ita:  Raoul, LaRaeUK,
shrimayi Netherlands:  @Maureen Thank you to remember me inner listening is listening to God.(5:27PM)
MaryS_MerrieB:  I agree, justin-calif-!”…resistance and attention …authority … influence.. confused and bewildered…. ” Pacification if fiercer than you think, being all subdued, you would think. Easy enough to meet, greet and recognize the journey now sees two paths diverging, clearly these are not on the same page, so to speak. As Keiko describes, perhaps they want to dissuade you from this path; it’s a gift, then, once you see it and call it. “The path is mightier than your dissonance” we might say.
LaRaeUK:  Thank you MVS…..Your life is such an embodiment of that….
Lin_Boulder:  Humanity is so blessed to be revealed of the Greater Reality: the reality of the Greater Community and the reality of the Spiritual Family. May we be prepared for both.
Martin_Boulder:  @Marshall, thank you for that quote, a summary of our purpose
Debbie_MI:  I was also moved in particular by what Ellen said last night about her concern about the refugees and what Will said the previous day about his life being saved by the NM and STK especially in relation to preventing his life from being wasted in useless self made endeavors. He did not use those words exactly but this seemed to be one of the main ideas he was be conveying.
Kristina_Boulder:  @Mike_LF- I find that reading Secrets of Heaven trigger this remembrance more than any other NM books. Don’t know it’s happening, it’s very mysterious.
Dariel_Boulder:  @ Maureen…Thank you for your words of wisdom and for the tip on how to God, “Listen as if you are sitting with God and (he) has something very important to say to you and you don’t want to miss it.” So helpful.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @justin, it just means you are being a vehicle for Knowledge!!!! Your having a great impact!
Inhee_Korea:  Thank you Maureen for sharing what Marshall said.
Maria_Boulder:  I pray that all who feel called -will come to meet our Messenger while he is with us. When asked at the first night, what do I need from Vigil, and how can the Vigil accelerate the movement in the direction I know I need to go…my instant response was: simply to be in the same room with our Messenger. To behold him, to follow his gaze, he who has been initiated, who has been held in a pure energy beyond our imagination, he who is such a vehicle of transmission for the Angelic Assembly beyond our comprehension, he who is part Angel…to be in his presence, to observe his communication, to feel a Mysterious transmission from him directly to us…I will study the sacred texts for the rest of my life…but this is my one opportunity to receive his living transmissions…to receive a few direct words occasionally- that impact me for all time…to know him as best as I am able, as disjointed, shy and not well prepared as I may be…that I may eventually be a worthy vehicle for transmitting…
Maria_Boulder:  … this gift to bless other lives
Joe_UK:  @Paul_MA that is something that came up for me in a recent stillness, perhaps rather than Thinking Mind it could be called the Communicating Mind, as its true function is a vehicle of communication.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @ Keiko you are blessed my friend as we all are. Keep that with you Keiko…you are surrounded and protected by the grace of God!
Joyanne_Canada:  Another Impactful statement was about Self-obsession, For the last few weeks I have known and worked on trying to move myself to the spot on the mountain where I am not lost to self obsession but focused instead on service, to our world, to this Revelation. Moving beyond self to engage at a greater level of participation is where I have to focus my energy on, because I realize I can’t fulfill my purpose if I don’t journey past my small life in separation
LaRaeUK:  Oh Amen Maria…..Amen.
Alio -Austin:  I shared with Vigil folks but reiterate for our partners everywhere, that Marshall’s “traveling to …… not so beautiful places to bring God into the picture”…… I saw our opportunity to “travel”into the difficult places in our lives as our lives seem to crash and burn at times, to bring what we have access to into many harsh environments that are right here, arising all the time. It’s like I get to travel to a wonderful opportunity whthout going anywhere if I can see difficulty as a calling.
Carol_Society:  @Mike_LF: this helped me: “remembrance, which is not an image, because where we have come from is not a landscape in that way, but a deep feeling of relationship being known, being directed, the Great Coordination” I can relate to the deep feeling of relationship…of being known…of being directed…
MaryL_Boulder:  @Kristina, Secrets of Heaven does that to me too…difficult to describe…something very faint but real.
Kristina FL:  Mike LF CAL it is unimaginable ….”At this level of reality nothing eternal can be considered. Our mind lives in time, our social worldly mind created in time and space, it can only relate to time and space.” as MVS said on day 14 of the Vigil.
Kari_H_Finland:  @Keiko, they are also part of my life (still) and only the power of Presence has kept me strong.
Keiko_Ita:  Oh, another thing, They want to eliminate NM, I felt because I had feeling of burning on my skin at that time. I saw the sign of NM as a diamond shape with a cross on it. I understood that one of the NM was eliminated!!
Anna W_NY:  @ Paul, I think the thinking mind becomes like a body part almost…. You need fingers to type… You need legs to walk… You need an intellectual mind to function in the world and to communicate in the world. The Spirit works through these mediums when the hierarchy is correctly aligned. “As it has been said, the body serves the mind, and the mind serves the Spirit. This is the true order of things, but it is not the order that you experience currently.” http://www.newmessage….rself
Will_Society:  @Paul “Why do we need a thinking mind?” This question evokes gratitude and and self-acceptance within me. I think many of us contend with condemnatation of our personal minds—the errors and ineptitudes, the limitations and eccentricities. But isn’t the personal mind what allows us to be here, to navigate this confusing, chaotic place? No easy task! Thank you, personal mind. I couldn’t do it without you.
Darlene_Society:  Keiko, I so honor your great courage and heart and intention.
Dariel_Boulder:  So powerfully said, Joyanne. Self-obsession is such a stumbling block for me as well. Yes, “move myself to the spot on the mountain where I am not lost to self obsession but focused instead on service, to our world, to this Revelation.”
Carol_Society:  @Kristina FL: Yes, Secrets of Heaven…my experience as well, esp. Secret 25, these words go with me
Javier S. Fl:  @Anna & Will well said
Raoul_Australia:  @Keiko, I found that holding my old Book of STK on my heart helps a lot in the case of direct attacks
Jorge_Spain:  Yes, @Will…
Joyanne_Canada:  @Will oh yes!! we need the intellect, Knowledge needs it, but it must be aligned within us to knowledge.. REUNION I think Patricia stated
Tyyne_Society:  Referring to the 80/20 measurement that MVS uses in various ways… 80
Maureen-Boulder:  Yes, Shrimayi. Listening to the Remembrance is like seeing the world and myself with totally new eyes. The original intention. Pure. Clear. Clean. The Truth without human trappings. Free of the visions of hell fire and damnation and all the human inventions and misinterpretations. Refreshing and hope giving to the point of tears. A glimpse into who we really are. This physical reality is “like a grain of sand on a beach that stretches as far as the eye can see.” That puts things into perspective.
Arthur:  @Keiko I know it’s difficult to keep these sorts of experiences to yourself but it’s better than coming to premature conclusions.
Patricia_Society:  @Anna W NY(9:32) Perhaps an important self assessment question to pose to ourselves at certain junctures or stopping points, “What stage of my studenthood am I in?” Or “What stage of my studenthood am I embarking upon or what stage of my studenthood am I departing?” Ever always echoing to us is STK, Step 2 “Knowledge is with me, where am I?” Per Anna W, “I feel the Greater Coordination ushering me into my next phase as a student of Knowledge and I am so grateful to feel this movement in my life.” Where has my studentood in the New Message and with me engagement with Knowledge taken me? Do I see where to go from here?….Will I go there?
Keiko_Ita:  Darlene, It was YOU to tell me that I am strong! I do not forget this. I exersized my authority….
Betty:  @tynne 2nd question, the modifications are making the time each morning for my step practice. Reminding myself of listening to what others are really communicating, it is becoming a habit of mine. Using restraint, and managing some tendency.
MVS Society:  “Heaven only knows what Heaven has created in you. What you have made of yourself is something else. But what Heaven has created in you is the essential part of you. It is who you were before you came into the world. It is will be who you are when you leave this world and return to those who watch over you. Here your beliefs are not important. They are only valued in terms of whether they brought you to Knowledge or not.”
Joyanne_Canada:  @Dariel, isn’t that what the journey is all about …connecting to Knowledge to move beyond the small self to our bigger self as who we truly are.. self obsession for me just keeps me stuck in the personal mind.. I see lots of incremental steps out of Separation into inclusion
MaryS_MerrieB:  Keiko, if it helps, I see that cross and I raise you one. Speaking from the latter part of the 20th century now leaking into 21st, I’m calling it: look for the hidden figure (“solve for x” yeah). It’s the Age of Women emphasis that we have not seen as one of the 4 legs this Message stands on (AOH, GWC, GCS is 3). It is key, it is crucial, and it is so cool because everyone does get it, but it has its own little gems that could stand some polish. One that I bring, and it was very hard-won, from days gone by: an Age of Women man is one who bestows agency (who are our allies? They do not interfere). An Age of Women woman reclaims her agency; they both benefit together.
Mamjara_Senegal:  Hello everyone, I am together with Mbaye Thiam from Senegal
Joyanne_Canada:  @Russell think we are getting your storm, here.. no rain but thunder .. but they are calling for a big dump of rain…fortunately I live uphill LOL
Levy_Brazil (in Boulder):  Welcome Mamjara and Mbaye!
Carol_Society:  Step 25: “It is true indeed that we have been assigned to you, out of our own choosing and yours as well. But you have forgotten and we have not.” The NM, Steps, and the Messenger are helping me to remember…
Kristina_Boulder:  Another thing that stood out from the Vigil and something I’m grateful for to MVS is his reminder bout building 4 Pillars, especially a pillar of work. I resonated with this as right now I feel like my focus should be exactly on that, so 80% outer work sounds right.
Will_Society:  Welcome, Mamjara and Mbaye Thiam
Joe_UK:  Greetings Mamjara and Mbaye, so glad you could join us
25567:  @ Dariel and Joyanne. Self-absorbtion has been a real issue for me, as well as humbling. I hve made many great errors in this journey and am grateful to everyone for their care support and love. Service to the World–thank you Marshall.
shrimayi Netherlands:  @Maria so beautifully said (5:38PM)
Maureen-Boulder:  Welcome Mamjara and Mbaye!
Tonia_Denmark:  Matshall mentioned again this Greater Coordination and as a fairly new student of this, I have come to realize that it has a tremendous meaning for me, and also the greater intelligence. For every day is like I am a little bit taller. A little bit braver, which is a lot now after a few years, and that though I still try and be with my old life, things do fall away, and its all right. It is perfectly all right and even a relief. I begin to know a value in being with other student here. Because no one really knows us if they are unfamiliar with Steps to Knowledge or Knowlegde at all.
manuel germany :):  Warmest Welcome Mamjara and Mbaye from Senegal.
Mathieu-France:  Welcome Mamjara and Mbaye from Senegal
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Welcome Mamjara and Mbaye Thiam!!
Raoul_Australia:  Welcome, Mamjara and Mbaye Thiam, glad you came
Shawn_Moose Jaw:  Warmest welcome to you both Mamjara and Mbaye.
Paul_MA:  Warmest Welcome Mamjara and Mbaye from Senegal.! It is truly amazing how the New Message travels throughout the span of Planet Earth.!
54315:  Welcome Mamjara/Mbaye
Tonia_Denmark:  Sorry, got a typing problem to day appearently
54515:  This is Virgie from near Seattle though in Boulder today: when the question was posed, what have you learned about taking STK that you didn’t know starting out (or something like that) I thought, I had expected it was something you do alone. Turns out you do it in connection with others. The Teachers, of course, but also other students and everyone and everything in one’s life. And related to this I have been impressed with how frail and beset with errors we all as a WWC are. Even Marshall is not perfect and Messenger s do make mistakes​. To quote the Christian scripture s, we have this treasure in clay jars … It makes the prospect of relationship s, even meaningful ones, daunting. Redemption is a messy business.
25567:  Thank you MaryS_MerrieB for sharing. The reclamation of the agency…
Joyanne_Canada:  OH Virgie, its so wonderful your in Boulder.. what a Blessing
Kristina FL:  Welcome Mamjara and Mbaye. Its amazing to witness how the New Message is reaching people all around the world.
MaryS_MerrieB:  hello 25567 at 51 past the hour
MaryS_MerrieB:  and to Virgie, pal
Carol_Society:  @Tonia: and the Great Alliance–the relationships that are part of the Great Coordination: For excerpts form The Great Alliance: http://www.newmessage….iance
MaryL_Boulder:  Hello and Welcome Mamjara and Mbaye from Senegal
Joyanne_Canada:  @Virgi, this journey is not for the faint of heart, and as MVS said, Knowledge uses our mistakes to grow us
Joyanne_Canada:  well I put in the grow us as that is how I veiw it
Paul_MA:  Warmest welcome to you both Mamjara and Mbaye. How did you find the New Message and what has drawn you to this great message?
25567:  Hello. Sorry I’m late
Tyyne_Society:  Referring to the 80/20 measurement that MVS uses in various ways… He stated (paraphrasing) 80 percent may not be important, is not meaningful and 20 percent being meaningful. The mind as the great investigator – a servant – to constructively use the mind to investigate, to align and be the vehicle for Knowledge. Statements made my the Messenger that struck me… trying to make the meaningless meaningful. Knowing the core of your experience… Becoming simple enough to do these things… Become consistent… That Knowledge may call us to be humble or assertive, to hold back or to bring forth, to be with this person and not that person… Wait, hold to wisdom without trying to make it relevant… Waiting for the moment.. Become a vehicle… know where you’ve been and what you’ve really learned.
Joyanne_Canada:  Without mistakes we can’t not to make them, how to apply more discretion, waiting,
Dariel_Boulder:  Welcome Mamjara and Mbaye from Senegal. Have you been able to be with us for some of the Vigil?
Tonia_Denmark:  True that Carol. Thank you for adding the link
MVS Society:  “The mind is an important tool, but it is not the platform for ultimate truth. Belief and ideology can be helpful at the beginning, but a hindrance towards the end. You must step beyond the pavement into the wilderness because God is there.”
THE ONE BOOK: The Pure Religion
LaRaeUK:  Another blessing of this time of Vigil was the opportunity to spend time with two fellow students here in my home. Such depth and meaning in being able to be with other students in person…and share our stories and our love of The Message and The Messenger.
Alio -Austin:  It’s good to have a mind when God needs to reach one.
Maureen-Boulder:  Scroll down the list of students here in this chat. We are truly a world-wide community and that is such a beautiful thing to behold!
Shawn_Moose Jaw:  So fortunate LaRae to have others of the new message visit your home!
Levy_Brazil (in Boulder):  Nice, LaRae… a remote but in-person Vigil
Carol_Society:  @Virgi: I have also begun to engage with this process: “At this point in time, after taking part of the journey in StK, how do you see it now in contrast to what you understood it to be at the outset? Recover those first impressions and then come forward in time…because these realizations are not mere thoughts and ideas as we know. Deeper understandings they are.” How I saw it when I began, how I see it now, where I have been along the way: Steps has met me at wherever I was in my studenthood, it seems. The ever wise and patient Teacher meeting me at my particular capacity/desire/understanding level each time through Steps. If there was no movement in my life, then Steps stayed with me at the same level of capacity/understanding…And the reverse was also true. Why I think we experience a Step in a whole new way the next time around: there has been movement, the lessons are given at another level, it seems..
LaRaeUK:  Oh it is Maureen……..yes Levy. I was grateful to spend time with them.
Patricia_Society:  Re: “What stage of my studenthood am I in? All stages of studenthood and service considered together, in the end, it will all come down to what we did, what we actually did, with our opportunity to be here. It will not be about what we realized. Rather the final determination will have more to do with our actual lives, our decisions, our actions, our priorities, our service, the manner of being that carried us through, and what compelled them…A spot check of each of these along the way, with the needed and specific course corrections consciously being made. This is a powerful sign to those who assist us, that strength, competency and responsibility are building….So what are we doing?…right now….? tomorrow? the next day? ….Dot – to – dot, what picture is inescapably emerging?
Tyyne_Society:  LaRae and others, I too have been struck by the relationships that exist here that I have found nowhere else. The magnitude and capacity of relationship that MVS has. So many remember him, know him… His is a source of remembering for so many.
Betty:  Welcome Mamjara and Mbaye, glad you are here with us
Mamjara_Senegal:  this is mbaye for me the new message is very interressting and it is my
Carol_Society:  @Oh, yes, Patricia. Thank you. It so comes down to what we did. Did I DO it? is the question when we leave this world
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @ Patricia thank you so much for your words @ 11:56am! Yes…I am what I do!!
LaRaeUK:  “considered together, in the end, it will all come down to what we did, what we actually did, with our opportunity to be here. It will not be about what we realized” Wow Patrica, this hits straight between the eyes. Thank you….so powerful.
Keiko_Ita:  Marys MerrieB, Thank you so much…But I would like to say the need for Knowledge. That’s all. I do not know about Symbolism or something….
Tonia_Denmark:  Yes, thank you, Marshall, there is no justification for not coming to Knowledge every day.
Tyyne_Society:  @Patricia, thank you.
MVS Society:  “Accept the limits of your intellect. It was never designed to answer the greater questions of life or to understand your deeper nature or purpose in the world. It is a wonderful mechanism, a great servant to Spirit. This is its true function and value.”
Dariel_Boulder:  Well done, La Rae. How powerful to bring a group together for this important opportunity to be with the Vigil.
LaRaeUK:  He is a Platform for relationship Tyyne…, so grateful to have this connection.
Anna W_NY:  @Patricia_Society (9:46 & 9:56) Thank you very much for offering these questions.
Alexandra-ColOmbia:  Thank you Carol for bringing out that question that was posed at the beginning of the Vigil, “At this point in time, after taking part of the journey in StK, how do you see it now in contrast to what you understood it to be at the outset?” It is a great question to be with…
justin-calif-!:  Have to run, all- thanx for all your wisdom and strength! Be aware they will attempt to discourage and distract us. Never underestimate their cleverness and mental focus- but just like any magic trick- once you know how it’s done it seems cheap and obvious- that we are drawing attention must mean we are having an effect! stay safe! NNC, j
Raoul_Australia:  Thank you Tyyne, you describe it so well, goes straight to the heart, “The magnitude and capacity of relationship that MVS has. So many remember him, know him… His is a source of remembering for so many.”
Joyanne_Canada:  Thank you Patricia, What we actually did here, Powerful, I can’t do anything from a self obsessed life, I have to move beyond that to why I came here.. thanks for this perspective. Keeping that in mind will be part of the incremental journey out of Separation.
Tyyne_Society:  It is the hour… oh, so much shared. Let us take a moment to be with where we are and who we are with.
Mamjara_Senegal:  this is mbaye for me the new message is very interressting and it is the easier way to undestand and know god
Paul_MA:  Patricia- the Stages of Studenthood.. this is a good way to view one’s practice…the difficulty is in defining what the stages are and to which one next to progress to.
shrimayi Netherlands:  @Thank you Marshall good to know God is in the wilderness.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you all so much! Thank you dear Marshall for your life and for the purpose you have brought to others lives in the world. Thank you Patricia, Society for all that you do and have done! Nasi Novare Coram
Joe_UK:  @Joyanne & Virgie, yes I was struck with grateful resonance by Marshall saying “Knowledge uses everything that it can use in us. Knowledge even uses our mistakes as a method of teaching.”
Jangsun_Korea:  Thank you Patricia!

Alio -Austin:  I’ve been basking in step: Ï will feel the power of love today”for the last week have been accessing and using it to experience relationship with myself, God and you and all. (paraphrased) When I finally can experience Knowledge loving me, experience myself loving, appreciating it back…. we merge… the Christ, the Budda, you, me, we’re home and home has come to the world.

It’s such a gift to gain access to that rather than those past rare and seeming random events of temporary awakeness. It’s there in that experience that I can understand relationship.

2017 STEPS VIGIL LIVE BROADCAST continues tonight through June 14, 7:00 pm US MDT.
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Today’s Chat transcript will be posted at the end of our discussion.

MaryL_Boulder:  @Mamjara: the New Message is simple and pure without anything changed or corrupted.
LaRaeUK:  I have found that to be true Mamjara….it has been the only Revelation that has spoken to me. I am so grateful you have found it and that it speaks to you.
Alison_Boulder:  @All – Gatherings for those interested in coordinated Advocacy for the New Message meet every Thursday at , at 6:30MDT or 7 BST. After taking pause these last two weeks, we resume on 6/15/17 to receive Society guidance in bringing the Revelation to humanity. While we hold Vigil, new Students all over the world continue to sign up for this Free School who have been found by the Revelation thanks to many who have decided to hold this work. Multi-lingual Advocacy “seeds” planted on Facebook, Youtube and given hand to hand continue to build bridges. Thank you. Advocacy or Gathering how-to questions? [email protected]
Jeanne:  Nasi Novare Coram, we are so very blessed to have each other together
Kristina FL:  Thank you Patricia. “So what are we doing? right now?, tomorrow?, the next day,?” …. I have a constant reminder on the wall from you, saying; “Am i doing what i was sent here to do and to complete?”
LaRaeUK:  So beautiful Alio…..thank you for sharing this. It touches my heart.
Dariel_Boulder:  @ Carol…Thank you for your suggestion to, “Recover those first impressions and then come forward in time…because these realizations are not mere thoughts and ideas as we know. Deeper understandings they are.” We are so apt to brush past recognitions and experiences that are important to our journey and to our store of wisdom that will serve us in the future. Thank you for reminding me.
Russell_Sask:  And Now I quietly depart until we gather again:
Insuk_Korea:  Thank you Patricia
Robert_Society:  Thank you to all. Nasi Novare Coram
Russell_Sask:  Novre Novre Comey Na Vera Te Novre
Kahala_Oregon:  Thank you all. Nasi Novare Coram.
LaRaeUK:  @Carol….thank you for your beautiful and moving testimony during The Vigil. Your life, grace, courage and contribution is such an inspiration to me.
Maria_Boulder:  @ Virgi…to be honest (and this is humbling to admit!), the first time I went through Steps…I felt I already knew much of what it was saying, as I had been on a spiritual path for a very long time already,and had many wonderful and profound mentors along the way…so I passed over some steps quickly, thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah, I already know that (!!! bowing my head in embarrassment now) …I was almost half way through with my first Journey of Steps, before I began to realize how wrong I was…and I started over, and this time, the words took me in…to a window I had not previously even noticed…sometimes I could stay with just one sentence, allowing it to reverberate through my whole system- it was food for a hungry soul. I wrote it down in my journal, surrounded it with color, sung its praises in my heart, dancing with a profound gratitude…and now I know each time I revisit a Step- it is not the same step I was on last time…I am not the same person…and the Mystery of…
Maria_Boulder:  … these Steps reaching us, each one of us, in real time!!!
25567:  Thank you Everyone. Nasi Novare Coram
Paul_MA:  Kristina- your practice resonates….Am I Doing What I Was Sent Here To Do? What Must I Do Next? Where & with whom?
Mathieu-France:  Thank you all for taking this journey to Knowledge. Nasi Novare Coram
LaRaeUK:  Oh I resonate with that Maria…..hangs head in shame at my willful arrogance as a beginner. So humbling…..
Etienne _ France:  Thank you eveyone. Nasi novare Coram
Heidi_Germany:  Thank you to all! Nasi Novare Coram.
Jorge_Spain:  @Maria_B… “I was almost half way through with my first Journey of Steps, before I began to realize how wrong I was…and I started over, and this time, the words took me in…to a window I had not previously even noticed…sometimes I could stay with just one sentence, allowing it to reverberate through my whole system- it was food for a hungry soul.”
jeanine_Society:  How to report errors and get support:
Val_Boulder:  Thank you, Marshall and fellow students world-wide in this Higher Education. With great gratitude; we are in the Presence of the Teachers of God.
Paul_MA:  A practice that helps me with each Step…. At each hourly, I will read my Step for the Day, but I will emphasize one word of the Step and consider it. For each word of each Step is essential and each word if you emphasize it will bring a new nuance to the step…like going deeper within each Step.
Joe_UK:  Thank you Paul for sharing that
Arthur:  @MVS So if I truly wished to Know my purpose and design I will need to transcend the mind?
80435:  Thank you all for your contributions on this chat, very inspiring to read this morning
Reed_Society:  Thank you all for your contributions on this chat, very inspiring to read this morning
shrimayi Netherlands:  @Mbaye thank you and yes for me it is the same ,God can be so near.
manuel germany :):  I am very grateful to share this time with you. We all are blessed by the New Revelation from God at this turning point in humanity´s history – we are blessed to be the first to recognize and respond to it and with all our humble contributions we may change our hearts and with our example may help the people with whom we are in touch to change as well their hearts and recognize and respond to the New Message and build the foundation for a new civilization without war, poverty, corruption…
Kari_H_Finland:  “the Mystery of these Steps reaching us, each one of us, in real time!!!” Yes indeed @Maria_Boulder!
Betty:  @MVS @ it is so true your passage at 9:59pm. Thanks for sharing this. In my experience the intellect can limit my understanding, it was never meant to be a master but a servant to who one really is. The intellect is not ones true self.
Susan_Malaysia:  Thank you, MVS..God knows the way to God through you…thank you everyone..Nasi Novare Coram.
Arthur:  I imagine it is something you have done.
MaryS_MerrieB:  Patricia’s remarks (paraphrased) about bringing the old life with us were a revelation to me who felt like, even before now, uh oh, there are ways I have been imprinted that are ineradicable! “Tentacles of pride” something I had learned to hide but never completely, oh dear. So now, after long looking, and not seeing these tentacles withdrawing, looking again to see: oh. Claiming your agency is only a problem if you are confused about what your responsibility is. So this Vigil, it is time to open up the discussion with my old life, by a simple FB announcement towards my Monday night testimony. No matter how many drafts I write, I must now rest in the stillness that I do not know what the hell is actually going to happen at that moment. (to quote my favorite phrase on the “man and woman” page)
Betty:  Sorry at 9:59am, not pm
Mamjara_Senegal:  great shrimayi that is right
jeanine_Society:  Thank you Tyyne and Carol, Marshall and Patricia and to all who have joined here today. Nasi Novare Coram.
Keiko_Ita:  Thank you for being here all….Nasi Novare Coram.
Adria_work:  Thank you all. Nasi Novare Coram
Tonia_Denmark:  I think the most challenging period so far was when a boyfriend from the past contacted me one day in late summer 2015 and up until now it has been a huge challenge to face unfulfilling feelings from back then. It really pulled me away from the ever blissful state I was in. Landed face first so to speak. So going beyond the pavement would be a relief. Towards freedom instead.
Tyyne_Society:  The New Message is emerging and moving in the world because of the donations of supporters like you. Those who are Pillars are a statement of holding and supporting this mission. For those who are already giving, we want to thank you with the deepest sincerity for your generous contribution and support throughout the year. Your collective efforts as volunteers and financial donors is making the reality of the establishment of the New Message possible in the world. Your contributions help serve the needs of humanity now and into the deep future. Become a Pillar of the New Message at http://www.newmessage….ssage
Darlene_Society:  Thank you everyone for taking this journey with the Messenger. The promise lives within you. The Remembrance lives within us. Heaven is counting on us…Nasi Novare Coram
Joe_UK:  Nasi Novare Coram
Alexandra-ColOmbia:  Nasi Novare Coram…
LaRaeUK:  Thank you dearest Messenger, Patricia, Reed Darleen and all The Society members for your dedication and vigilance all these years. We are all receiving the blessings of your dedication and hard work….I am so, so grateful to be a humble student of this great Gift from The Divine. Nasi Novare Coram
Raoul_Australia:  Thank you, everyone, Nasi Novare Coram
Serena_NM:  Thank you everyone!
Paul_MA:  Nasi Novare Coram.
Hardev_Australia:  Deep gratitude to MVS, Society, the Steps Vigil, and to all fellow students. Nasi Novare Coram.
MVS Society:  To be one of the first to respond to the NMG takes courage, integrity, humility and determination. I honor all of you for this and pray that you will see this in yourself.
Dominic_UK:  @ LaRae: was nice being with you for that brief period. I wish I could’ve stayed a bit longer, and got to see some of the others, but such is life, as you said. Thanks again for letting me stay.
Joyanne_Canada:  @Darlene, I am counting on me to fulfill the agreement I made before coming here, I can’t let myself down, I must continue up this mountain, step by step, increment by increment, I want to evolve out of Separation and into Inclusion. I also want to assist the Messenger, the AA and the WWC..
Alio -Austin:  Heaven counts on us and we are counting on heaven Darlene. Amazing they have given us that trust. Thank you all here, everywhere all the way to home! NNC
LaRaeUK:  We will do it again Dominic… are most welcome.
Val_Boulder:  Thank you for that empowerment, Marshall.
LaRaeUK:  Thank you MVS
Joyanne_Canada:  thank you Alio,resonating
Jorge_Spain:  On day 14, when Marshall said his last words that evening, I was left with a feeling of him trying to convey things that many of us students are barely able to listen, for whatever reason… Maybe our ears are dull, and don’t really listen; maybe our minds are self-preoccupied with other things; maybe we won’t take the time to really be with these things. Am I able to listen, to really listen? Am I able to take these things to my heart? Am I able to go forward in a real way? What is really needed here? What I really need here?
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you dear Messenger and family and Society and all my fellow students. It has been so powerful. Thank you to Our amazing Family in Heaven for caring for Humanity so much. We are so blessed .
Kari_H_Finland:  Thank you for providing another precious opportunity for the WWC to gather and share. Nasi Novare Coram
Carol_Society:  @The Messenger, Patricia, Reed and to each and every one of you, the deepest of gratitude for your contributions and inspirations. May they bring us ever closer to what it is we came here to do, to complete…
Nasi Novare Coram.
Patricia_Society:  @Paul, Anna W, Will – our thinking “personal” mind….Our “thinking personal mind “needs time to undergo the process of becoming re-ordered in the “hierarchy of authority.” But once this is underway, take note of the tremendous service of this thinking mind….As I may have said on Day/Night One of the Vigil, “Prepare yourselves for increasing waves of self love……” I meant this in part because of the tremendous yielding and reformation our minds must and will undergo, as they interact more directly and increasingly with the mystery and directives of Knowledge. This personal mind is finding a way to go forward with us, and to serve at its level, all the while and over time, as it learns to hold and wait for the “Higher Authority” to weigh in, and to see a lot of revisions occurring at its level. While learning to wait or recognize this “Higher Authority”, it continues to work, and hold, and prioritize, and make many determinations and solve many problems along the way for…
Patricia_Society:  … us……Thank you all for your active involvement and study of the New Message Revelation…..and for your evolving sense of relationship with the Messenger, Marshall Vian………for having found him….
MaryL_Boulder:  Thank you Marshall for being the first student of Steps…in this and much much more you lead us by demonstration and by serving those who sent you. May we in turn become true students of Knowledge so that we may honor and support you in serving the world. Nasi Novare Coram
Levy_Brazil (in Boulder):  Thank you, Jorge/Alexa, I had this feeling in past broadcasts
Kristina FL:  Thank you Marshall, what a great blessing and responsibility.
Joyanne_Canada:  Deep gratitude to everyone, your insights, wisdom’s, truly help me on this journey. Alone I can do nothing, but yet we are not alone, we are a part of this Greater Coordination and this budding WWC. Blessed we are. NNC
Mike_LF_CAL:  Jorge_Spain (9:21) I had a similar reaction, thanks for sharing you impression.
Tonia_Denmark:  Thank you, Marshall. I pray that I will come to the people I am meant to be with, for the right purpose and cause. That I will be able to hear the messages and act rightfully upon them. And that I will move with Knowledge and not fear.
Virpi_Fi:  To the person who tried private message to me. Not working today in my Android.
Alexandra-ColOmbia:  Like a Shepard calling his sheep…
Tonia_Denmark:  Thank you too, Patricia
Joe_UK:  Thank you dear friends. May we continue to value and seek Knowledge beyond all things.
MVS Society:  Your specific calling in the world will be given to you. It will be quite specific to your activities and behavior. Before this can happen, your mind must be cultivated and your life must be brought into genuine balance so that they may reflect your Knowledge and not your fears and wishes only.”
STEPS TO KNOWLEDGE, STEP 185: I have come into the world for a purpose.
Betty:  Thank you all, with much love and gratitude. May we find the way with Steps to Knowledge and the New Message from God.
Mike_LF_CAL:  I hear nothing but silence as I listen for Kn… a thought I’ve had of late is that one day…maybe… Knowledge will be like a megaphone blasting away the quite…
Tonia_Denmark:  That makes sense thank you Marshall.
Maria_Boulder:  @ Patricia- I have been wondering what you meant by”Prepare yourselves for increasing waves of self love……”…thank you for a little explanation at 10:22
Arthur:  I will never stop before I’ve had everything, that is both My
LaRaeUK:  I so look forward to the day when there is much less of “the personality known as LaRae” and far more Knowledge….
Arthur:  Blessing and course.
MVS Society:  Each Step in Steps to Knowledge is a portal into your greater life, a gift of remembrance and clarification. Take each Step carefully and as deeply as you can. Here everyday, be it good or bad, becomes a day of preparation, reconnection and remembrance.
Insuk_Korea:  Thank you Marshall, Patricia and All. Nasi Novare Coram
Mike_LF_CAL:  Thank you everyone for your wisdom and your student-hood, step 249 FOR ALONE I CAN DO NOTHING.
Alexandra-ColOmbia:  @Maria: to me it refers to the ability to building the capacity to be vehicle for Knowledge…
Arthur:  Curse (phones an I right)
shrimayi Netherlands:  @Marshall thank you To be one of the first to respond to the NMG takes courage, integrity, humility and determination. I honor all of you for this and pray that you will see this in yourself.(6:18PM)
Me:  Mike – “…the only thing that can keep you from Knowledge is the mind” – Steps CT #17
Joyanne_Canada:  @MVS, this time with the Vigil, has given me the opportunity to see my Step’s differently and to begin a more deeper engagement with them in a new way of practice. It was one thing I had hoped the Vigil would give to me. A deeper engagement with the Material. I am deeply grateful for all the gifts that continue to come via the Vigil. We need this advancement up this mountain and it is flowing very strongly via the Vigil and through all participants. Blessings
Alexandra-ColOmbia:  @Maria: (Knowledge) It is the most powerful force in the universe – The Redemption
Mike_LF_CAL:  Thank you all, deep gratitude Marshall. Mavran Mavran Conay Mavran. Nasi Novare Coram. (copy that Mark)
Dominic_UK:  Thank you so much, Marshall and everyone here for your wisdom over the years. May we continue to go rom strength to strength. Mavran mavran conay Mavran
Carol_Society:  @Patricia, re your post on the personal mind above: You spoke on Day 1 of the tremendous compassion that the NM, that Steps has for us, expresses to us, an ex. from Steps: “How could you possibly have done any differently if you were without Knowledge?” I feel that love and compassion from you as well, Patricia, compassion and love for our personal minds.
Val_Boulder:  Flocking together–we gain an ease aloft, a upliftment in affinity as we travel these airways with shared purpose and intention; we serve one another. Thank you for that.
Joyanne_Canada:  There are so many tips and tools, with working with Knowledge, coming to me from the Vigil, and the recommended Revelations that I am practicing now , I find it truly helps orientate my mind to practice, practice, practice,,, what a Blessing
MVS Society:  Through my long and mysterious preparation to become the Messenger I was being tested repeatedly as if They were saying “Can he be patient and proceed? Can he hold what we have given him thus far without explanation or justification? Can he quell self-doubt without self-condemnation? Will he follow the Steps We have given him to follow through each threshold? Will he remain confident and determined when others called to him fail and fall away?
Tonia_Denmark:  Thank you, Marshall, I did not know that each step is a portal into a greater life, but I have sensed this greater coordination moving with me and as I go
Debbie_MI:  @MVS-Thank you for sharing that and for what you shared regarding STK.
Joyanne_Canada:  @MVS, we know you can. Great questions to carry and ask ourselves. Your demonstration has proven you did all this, and it is a demonstration that we can too follow this path you have blazed up the mountain. I am grateful you Never Gave Up and that we have this demonstration to refer too and to look at and to use it to pull us along this journey. Thank you
Maria_Boulder:  Thank you so much Marshall for sharing with us a little of the nature of your tests and thresholds, that even you had to pass through…it is very helpful
MarkBerger:  MVS – Thank you for your demonstration and sharing what you’ve experienced and learned.
72731:  Thank you Marshall , Patricia and Reed for your continuing PRESENCE in our lives, and your continual ardent coaching as we evolve.
Val_Boulder:  We fly in the draft of your progress, Marshall; your leadership parts the way for our progress, easing our way through these altitudes.
LaRaeUK:  Your life is truly a demonstration MVS……Thank you….for all you do, all you’ve done, all you’ve been through to bring this to the world. May God give us all The Grace to follow and live the example you’ve set.
Inhee_Korea:  Thank you Marshall for your demonstration.
Jansett_Boulder:  “It is correct to say that all inspiration comes from Knowledge, but since people do not know
what Knowledge is, this is a difficult definition to accept and even more difficult to apply. Let us say for now that inspiration is a reminder. It is a reinforcement. It is a remembrance. It represents that greater truth of your life that is calling you to recognize it, to accept it and to embrace it. If you feel this, then you must go forward. Do not hold back. If this is moving your life, then move within it, not blindly but wisely, with your eyes open because you are a beginner in The Way of Knowledge.” Wisdom Volume II, Chapter 29: “Inspiration”
LaRaeUK:  You once said Marshall “My secret is that I never give up studying and sharing the New Message. For those who have sent me have never given up on me, and I will not give up on them. Such is the bond that once set cannot be broken”. I feel this to the core of my being….may our bond to The Messenger and those who sent us never be broken.
Kristina FL:  Thank you Marshall for sharing, i can only imagine this mysterious preparation, but i can see your demonstration. Im grateful for your strength and perseverance to follow this preparation.
LaRaeUK:  Thank you Jansett….
Mike_LF_CAL:  I 2nd that @LaRaeUK
Dominic_UK:  @marshall: I can sort of see why others failed to respond or fell away in the past. The things being presented through you are so big, so consequential, so against the grain of human belief and assumption in many cases. I hope that I’ll never fall away completely, though I have been like a boomerang at times: slipping away, coming back, slipping away, coming back again. Hopefully in time I’ll be strong enough with Knowledge to stick like glue
Alexandra-ColOmbia:  Thank you Marshall. I am realising more and more how your demonstration is vital to my understanding of life, to my ability to face challenges and in learning to be with the Mystery…
Debbie_MI:  @LaRae-Thank you LaRae.
LaRaeUK:  Indeed Mike…..each one of us matter.
Tonia_Denmark:  Did you argue with the Teachers? I sometimes become so mad that I think the roof would fly off if I spoke in words. The Inner Teachers really push me far sometimes and then a few hours later, everything is normal again, even friendlier than before.
Darlene_Society:  One of my favorite quotes from the New Revelation about the Messenger: “You don’t need a hero to worship. You need an example to follow.” (well, Marshall is definitely a demonstration for us all, but he is still a hero to me, a courageous, honorable, compassionate hero in the truest sense, not to worship but to emulate as we can.)
Joyanne_Canada:  @Alexandra, so very true.. His, their demonstration is vital to our journey.
Joyanne_Canada:  Yes Darlene!!
LaRaeUK:  Hear hear Darlene!! And if anyone is in a position to know it is you!
Val_Boulder:  :O) Darlene!
Debbie_MI:  Yes Darlene! So very true.
Mike_LF_CAL:  Once one has had the realization that TNFG IS God I do not see how one could fall away from that realization.
LaRaeUK:  Your studenthood is an inspiration to me Dominic…..
LaRaeUK:  Agreed @Mike LF
Tonia_Denmark:  True that Darlene
Mike_LF_CAL:  Once one has had the realization that TNMFG IS God I do not see how one could fall away from that realization.
55356:  I have a to go, bye with a lot of love
Alexandra-ColOmbia:  Thank you everyone for holding this sacred space… Nasi Novare Coram
Mike_LF_CAL:  Yes, thank you Darlene!
Arthur:  I will stop troubling you the community with my wild chase of finding “it”. But know as I continue my search I will have to go alone. May I return in the future, nerds!
LaRaeUK:  Blessings be upon you Arthur…..
Arthur:  The root of misery is taking life to seriously so cheer up!
Tonia_Denmark:  See you Arthur
Dominic_UK:  I know that this question wasn’t directed at me, but I can sort of identify with that, Tonia. I’ve expressed frustration and anger in my mind with my Teachers before, but you’re right that it doesn’t last. Sometimes I even felt a bit remorseful for being what I said to them, but I knew they didn’t hold it against me. I remember it saying in the Secrets of Heaven that sometimes people have become offended when the Teachers have told them what to do, but they aren’t affected by this; they’re just doing their job, lol (hope this helps).
Dominic_UK:  Thank you LaRae

One Response to "Campfire Chat June 10, 2017"

  1. Hyeonam Posted on June 11, 2017 at 2:43 pm

    May I find my way with Knowledge and do what I must do. NNC

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