Will_Society:  Welcome everyone to the Campfire Chat of the Free School of the New Message, on week 6 of our July/August session. Today we are discussing Humanity’s Destiny in the Greater Community. But first, how was it for you to read Patricia and Marshall’s account this week of the delivery of “Suffering?” http://www.newmessage….ering
mellany UK:  Hi everyone!
Richmond_UK:  Hi everyone
manuel germany :):  Hi Mel – hi Rich good to see you both here again 
Betty_UK:  Hi Manuel 
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @ Will reading the Suffering was very touching for me. Thank you!
Kelton_Calif:  Hello to all
Tonia_Denmark:  I see you, Ayesha.
rayhobbs_Colorado:  “You show up for Knowledge.”
( WGC2.33 Perseverance ) Nasi Novare Coram
Raoul_Australia:  Thank you Ayesha, those are realities that I really feel
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Absolutely rayhobbs!
mellany UK:  Hi Manuel!
Jeffrey_Boulder:  Reading their notes around receiving “Suffering” makes the experience very real, and down to earth, especially with the fruit salad to help Marshall re-enter, then the great photo of the berries in Marshall’s hands. This man has one foot in Heaven and on on Earth and we know him.
Martin_Australia:  Good to be with the WWC
86639:  Hello everyone!
Dariel_Boulder:  Hi RaeHyung and Youngkyo from Korea. Are you new students?
Donald_Pa:  Good morning everyone.
Jeanne_Boulder:  Good Day to all:*)
Maureen_Boulder:  I was deeply impacted by The Fortress of Belief. The clarity it brought – beautiful!
MaryS_Boulder:  The gift of sharing so intimately and transparently the immediacy of being with the Messenger and the Message is profound and stirring.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @Ayesha…realities taht truly are a big part of my life. They are life giving!
Darlene_Society:  Oh Jeffrey, beautiful!
Josef Austria:  Hello everyone!
Raoul_Australia:  re. “how was it for you to read Patricia and Marshall’s account this week of the delivery of “Suffering?” “, it was intense for me, I felt the Presence from the beginning and big chills and some tears, had to go and wash my face. I had been suffering in silence and this came at the right time.
rayhobbs_Colorado:  @Will_Society: “… you must lead yourself. And as you lead yourself, there are greater forces that will lead you. Amazingly, as you begin to yield to this greater power, you yourself are able to finally gain control of your mind and your emotions in a healthy way, in a way with certainty and compassion.” Suffering
Inhee_Korea:  Thank you Jeffrey.
Hyeonam_Korea:  I felt we connect from heaven to earth through Marshall. Thank you Marshall and Patricia. LOVE YOU SO MUCH.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thanks Jeffrey!
carolyn-ct:  @ Will: the accounts give me the sense of almost being there. I was happy to learn of this new Revelation.
Lin_Boulder:  The account of Patricia and Marshall, as well as the communication with the Society, are the true demonstration of the strength and the relationship of higher purpose, which dispels most of the suffering experienced in the world of Separation.
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Reading Suffering. I was impressed by the fact that MVS doesn’t assume that everytime he feels being called that it is in fact that he is being called. He waits, asks, feels, to make sure that this is indeed the case. This to me is an example of how open and clear of conditioning he is. We should not assume ever, that if things feel a certain way, have a certain appearance that it is what we think it is. This protects us from being decived…
Heidi_Germany:  Yes, Raoul, these pre-glow and after-glow notes are so important and deeply felt!
mellany UK:  Thank you, Jeffrey. Beautiful, Hyeonam.
Will_Society:  These accounts allow us to be witnesses the great miracle of our time, which has been happening so quietly and unknown, for so long.
Kristina FL:  Oh Will, i feel blessed to be able to have a peek into the process of receiving the “Suffering”. Another important Revelation for humanity. And i really like how Patricia describe it even to the fine details and the added pictures was special to see. Thank you.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @Kelvin so very true!
Tonia_Denmark:  Thank you, Will. I also this time felt a wholehearted gratefulness touching deep inside. The Suffering is so……real and a must to be with the Revelation. Very personal feeling to recieve these emails.
Jeffrey_Boulder:  very good point, Kelvin, thank you
Tonia_Denmark:  And a very interesting subject to ponder about.
Mike_LF_CAL:  The account of “Suffering” drew me in immediately upon hearing of it and I was struck deeply by the shared phrase ““God wants you to face your suffering and to see the wisdom it can give you and the aid it can give you in pointing your life in its true direction.” I am looking forward to hearing the entire Revelation. Thank you for sharing these intimate moments with us Patricia.
Kari_H_Finland:  Thank you Kelvin for that observation. It is important to recognize when we are under the mental influence.
Serena_Montreal:  @Kelvin, thank you for making this point. It is so true.
Ayesha_Society:  @Kelvin, re: not assuming. Yes he brings care when it comes to not assuming that every feeling means something. He brings great care and clarity, and this is a very important demonstration. Thank you for making this point.
Rudy_Boulder:  Just the title alone: Suffering. Who in the world hasn’t suffered to some degree? It is amazing how the Teachers and the New Message can continue to speak of the condition of humanity. I am sure anyone in the world can relate to a piece of this Revelation on a personal experience, even while dismissing the reality of the New Message. This is powerful, in my view of this Teaching.
Samantha_SA:  For me it was the realization that suffering will not end even if we find Knowledge in this life – it will only lessen – this quote struck me quite intensely “…the great Messengers of life have had to face suffering within themselves and all around them in order to give the greatest gifts from Heaven here. And all who seek to serve humanity authentically, in humility and with purpose, will experience suffering in doing so and most certainly will experience the suffering of those they are sent to serve.” I tend to forget that Messengers too had to face suffering, that their roads are not easy to travel. This engulfs me in gratitude for what they had to endure for our benefit and the depth of the sacrifice and giving to the world
rayhobbs_Colorado:  “… he may be the teacher of the Message, but the Message is bigger. It is not about him.
Marshall has special powers, but he will not proclaim them. No one will ever know really who and what he is except those who are very close to him and those few and rare people who can recognize this through the Sacred Writings.” Discerning False Messengers http://www.newmessage….ngers
Tonia_Denmark:  Very much in line with Humanity’s destiny in The Greater Community also.
rayhobbs_Colorado:  “So I am left with the gift but also the demonstration of what a greater Engagement can really be like, and how it calms aggravations of the mind, for when such an answer is given, all questions seem to diminish and become unnecessary.
The New Message says at first there is emptiness. And then there is great Presence which fills that emptiness, the Presence that is always there, waiting for us to respond. In this way, welcome emptiness. Encourage emptiness. Set aside things for emptiness. This is why we practice in Steps to Knowledge, in part to create this emptiness so that the Presence can fill us.
I pray that your experience of this may occur, receiving this revelation from God, given through the Angelic Presence. This opens up your life, ringing down through the Ancient Corridors of your mind to a deeper reality that lives within you, even at this moment.” MVS Suffering
Ayesha_Society:  @Rudy, yes I believe that this is one of those revelations that speaks to the very heart of the human condition. Who in the world is not experiencing suffering on one level or another? I have not heard the revelation yet, but I feel that this can speak to the hearts of many.
Insuk_Korea:  Yes, Kelven “doesn’t assume” good point. Thank you.
Raoul_Australia:  I find this to be amazingly true: “…as you lead yourself, there are greater forces that will lead you…”
MaryL_Boulder:  So grateful and touched by the few passages of the revelation “suffering” in the afterglow…the suffering is so often denied or covered up because it is so painful but the acknowledgement of those who watch over us is deeply comforting. They know our condition here and so I feel strengthened and encouraged. It makes me face my own with more honesty and courage. Seeing it in others brings up compassion for their condition. So grateful that I have the NMFG to show me the way back. That is what I have to share with other who are suffering without end or way out of their pain.
Shrimayi Netherlands:  @Thank you Kelvin clear observation .(5:10PM)
Betty_UK:  Hi Will, the ‘Suffering’, the accounts in the journal, brings us closer to the reality of receiving revelations, every revelation is a sign that we have not be forgotten here in the world. The importance of giving us the tools we need to find our true self with eventually the least suffering in the world. The care with the coordinated effort to receive and record these spoken revelation, and the content of each revelation always given with compassion it is truly a miracle. This passage “God wants you to face your suffering and to see the wisdom it can give you and the aid it can give you in pointing your life in its true direction.” How compassionate.
carolyn-ct:  @Will/All: To understand that suffering is a condition of being in manifest reality, and that all beings experience this, for me this has been the great doorway to compassion, providing a platform of experience, for without this suffering, how would we have come to the New Message, and how would we know how to experience compassion?
Jangsun_Korea:  @Mike, Yes and that passage struck me as well. When I read it, it was like speaking to me in person. And then Patricia’s question, “Can we genuinely experience our suffering, episodically emerge from it, or perhaps just carry it with us-without relapse, lost time, undue injury or attribution, outrage, fixation, and/or collapse?” this question was really helpful. Now I feel I need to apply it more deeply.
Betty_UK:  I mean not been forgotten
Jim B. Upstate NY:  To experience the will of Heaven you must 1st experience the suffering of the world. This is with me often. Suffering helps me to remember and to Return.
Raoul_Australia:  I believe that this passage is very much related to the hope we have of resisting and driving out the Intervention: ““Instead of having a life of a little tiny bit of inspiration and a lot of confusion and suffering, you end up having a life of a great deal of inspiration and a little bit of confusion and suffering.”
Reed_Society:  There were many messages in Marshall’s afterglow recording here. A secret here: “I pray that your experience of this (emptiness) may occur, receiving this revelation from God, given through the Angelic Presence. This opens up your life…” To foster an emptiness and a true clearing within the mind before reading or hearing the Revelation, to allow the message to enter that reverberating space within, not to enter the ears, to enter the mind, but to enter an empty space created for it to enter
Jeanne_Boulder:  The Angelic PRESENCE is listening & is giving what is needed at this time. We are being watched!
Tonia_Denmark:  True that, Mary. It hightens the senses reading it.

Maurice_Canada:  When I was contemplating what was said about Suffering I liked this part of the revelation…“You must reach a level of self-honesty beyond what most people think of here today. You must wait for great truth. You must look without coming to conclusions in most cases. You must learn to quiet your mind, learn to be still, learn to listen, learn to become able to respond, able to become responsible in this way.

“Here your life comes back into its true alignment, its true purpose, its true meaning. This is how God restores you so that you may give something beautiful to the world, to others and to life around you.”
It reminded me of myself when I struggled with my dreams and how I managed to interpret what I was going through. My mind and body would give me messages in dreams, my déjà vue, and feelings too! For example not having met The Messenger before but yet in my dreams he was familiar and when I was guided on day everything came home for me and resonated with such reality; I felt…

Maurice_Canada:  … I understood why I went through all that suffering… it was knowledge doing it’s thing and doing the interpretations of my dreams was the best thing I could ever do for myself to get me to where I was able to seek the truth because I knew it was out there somewhere and all I had to do was find it whatever it was. I was a long search but I feel I’ve come to be where I should be .
Heidi_Germany:  Isn’t it that the Teachers themselves have walked on earth at any time or at least in a physical world and know the condition of suffering?
55263:  @MaryL-am so resonating with what you just said about feeling strengthened and encouraged by the “acknowledgement of those who watch over us” regarding suffering.
carolyn-ct:  @Heidi: Yes!
rayhobbs_Colorado:  “God has sent a New Message into the world revealing the power of the Presence. God has provided a pathway through the study of Steps to Knowledge. God has revealed the real nature of your spiritual reality at the level of Knowledge, the deeper intelligence within you. It is all aimed to bring you to the Presence, and then to bring you to your greater purpose in the world, which lives deep within you and which has been with you all along.
When We speak of you returning to the Presence, We do not mean returning completely because if you did that, you could not be in the world. You would lose all desire and intention for being here because the Presence is so powerful and has such great appeal.” …. “So in the study of Steps to Knowledge, you learn to be still—not so you can get information, not so you can have the winning number, not so you can be more clever and more cunning in life, but to experience the Presence.
First, you will experience the presence of your Teachers standing…
rayhobbs_Colorado:  … around you, those who are sent to overlook your life and other lives. They exist beyond the physical realm, and you will experience their presence, which is very powerful. But that will lead you to a greater experience of Presence as your desire and capacity for the Presence increases.” The Presence http://www.newmessage….e-god
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Jeanne, thank you for the reminder. They really are…
Arthur:  Feeling pain is involuntary, suffering is a conscious act.
carolyn-ct:  @Arthur: The message I got form the parts of the rev that were shared was that being in separation is suffering in itself, and inescapable, which is also what the Buddha taught.
carolyn-ct:  Though its true we do create some of our own. Suffering.
Russell_Sask:  Well my financial suffering has ended as I have recently rejoined the workforce after a three year attempt to run my own company. Time are tough up here in the oil rich prairies. So I chipped a little chunk off the yet to earn future pay check and sent it along to the campaign for the new book release. With even a slight bit of co-operation in my financial pillar I should be able to attend encampment 2018 and re-visit my so long missed friends down South. In my new work environment I will be meeting lots of people so the opportunity to share a message with others increases multifold. It’s a high tech engineering firm that is doing great things and solving real world problems in a multitude of facilities all throughout Western Canada. From Grain handling to Water treating and oil process refining. The job literally feel into my lap once I let my perceived control of my future fall into the guidance of Knowledge. OMG it that was the tough part. Letting go of what we think we know and…
Russell_Sask:  … want to do.
Selma London:  Yes, MaryL, it tallies with: “We are now attempting to minimize the amount of time it will take and the difficulty that will be encountered.” Step 310: YOU ARE PART OF A GREAT LEARNING COMMUNITY. What you are learning now all of the world must learn eventually, for all must reclaim Knowledge. This is God’s Will. We are now attempting to minimize the amount of time it will take and the difficulty that will be encountered. Yet, we understand that evolution must take its course within the individual and within humanity as well. Thus, Knowledge extends itself to support the true evolution of life so that life may realise itself and fulfil itself.”
Betty_UK:  Thank you Reed for your account of the ‘The mind, religion and belief’ www.newmessage.org/min…elief . So true, and clarifying I find.
68183:  Sonia London Suffering is difficult, because we all want an easy ride- but there is a gift to found in the suffering
Ilhun_Korea:  Thank, Reed. “There were many messages in Marshall’s afterglow recording here. A secret here: “I pray that your experience of this (emptiness) may occur, receiving this revelation from God, given through the Angelic Presence. This opens up your life…” To foster an emptiness and a true clearing within the mind before reading or hearing the Revelation, to allow the message to enter that reverberating space within, not to enter the ears, to enter the mind, but to enter an empty space created for it to enter(12:21AM)”
Kari_H_Finland:  Emptyness. This reminds me what I wrote into my Steps Study journal at the Step 95 How can I possibly fulfill myself?. “When my fantasies were literally torn apart in 2009, the fantasies of my personal fulfillment, I became more empty, I became more open, I became less obsessive of myself. I did not know anymore who I am and what is my purpose in this life. I was confused but from the confusion something came out from me. Something which I did not understand then but now I do. Something which changed my life completely. Something which urged me to act without compromises, without explanations, without rationalizations, without a prepared future, without any security. I just knew that I have to act. I knew that I have to be determined. I knew that I have to do it now.”
Alison_Boulder:  @Russell, your lesson with releasing control of your perceived future impresses upon me. Thanks
Maria_Boulder:  This afterglow on suffering may have been the most impactful for me to date. Marshall’s words:I asked and prayed, ‘What would you have of me?’ and I heard, ‘Receive Our communication.’ …opened up a window in my heart: “WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE OF ME”…I ask something very similar almost every day…but somehow hearing the Messenger having asked these words and in this context- changed something crucial…beyond words…and later Marshall’s words: “The New Message says at first there is emptiness. And then there is great Presence which fills that emptiness, the Presence that is always there, waiting for us to respond. In this way, welcome emptiness. Encourage emptiness. Set aside things for emptiness. This is why we practice in Steps to Knowledge, in part to create this emptiness so that the Presence can fill us.” YES- I MUST SET ASIDE MORE TIME FOR EMPTINESS, NOT JUST IN MY PRACTICE ON THE MEDITATION PILLOW…IN MY LIFE…thank you Marshall, Patricia Summer’s family, Society, for you…
Maria_Boulder:  … generosity in making it possible for us to experience the miracle in our midst so intimately…a gift beyond my comprehension…may we receive it with all of our being, and respond with all of our being
carolyn-ct:  @Arthur, and the other part I got from the shared parts of ‘Suffering’ was that coming to the New Message, finding inner freedom, and Knowledge is our live wire direct to Source, this is the end of greater suffering.
Raoul_Australia:  best wishes for your new job, Russel
Darlene_Society:  Glad for you, Russell. The power of Knowledge if we listen.
Virgie_near Seattle:  One thing that really draws my attention in the Revelation is the difference in terminology and emphasis between what the Assembly is presenting to us and what I hear/read people talking about in the world. I hear and see a lot of discussion about depression. But the NM gives us a teaching on suffering. That contrast by itself really strikes me and I feel I need to keep my eyes and ears open about it.
rayhobbs_Colorado:  “My suffering is born of confusion.” Steps to Knowledge, Step 230
Thomas_Boulder:  The translation of suffering into leadership and responsibility. To be a force for good in this way…
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @ Reed thank you for your words!!! For these teachings to penetrate to the depths which are waiting for it emptiness must be present. Oh how I have experienced this emptiness through suffering and disappointment. It is necessary to suffer. Suffering is a big part of the fabrics of my foundation as they were meant to teach something to me and for me to feel these lessons was something I had to go through and endure. My addiction and my behavior lead me in a way t where it is I am now. I have no regrets. I am here now with the New Message and the Messenger to serve and contribute to this world and others based on my design and Knowledge. Nasi Novare Coram
mellany UK:  Thank you Marshall and Patricia, for the beautifully detailed and moving ‘preglow’ and ‘afterglow’ accounts… such rare and precious insight, that engenders a profound sense of relationship and inclusion. This really struck me, and is in line with a sequence of Steps that I’m practising this week, dedicated to quietening the mind and yielding to Knowledge; “The New Message says at first there is emptiness. And then there is great Presence which fills that emptiness, the Presence that is always there, waiting for us to respond. In this way, welcome emptiness. Encourage emptiness. Set aside things for emptiness. This is why we practice in Steps to Knowledge, in part to create this emptiness so that the Presence can fill us.”
Kelvin_Boulder:  Thank you Reed. “To foster an emptiness and a true clearing within the mind before reading or hearing the Revelation, to allow the message to enter that reverberating space within, not to enter the ears, to enter the mind, but to enter an empty space created for it to enter…”
Tonia_Denmark:  Thank you Reed, for clearing that out here. Havent read the entire email in details, but very important to read what you say here. Side journeys can so expensive and it takes time for the waters to calm down again. I have too many side journeys already you see and the cost has been very depp….and then now waiting for balance instead of over-balance.
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you for that quote Ray. “You must lead yourself…” At first it seemed contradictory as we are meant to follow KN but then I remembered how often They have told us, ‘you must rely on KN to reclaim your KN’. That was initially a hard message as I wanted to be ‘given the means to reclaim KN’. It seems that we must want this badly enough that we invest our energies–and the KN we do have available–and then the AA will begin to lead us. I am now being lead, but I must do my part.
Josef Austria:  @ Russel, gratulations!
Lin_Boulder:  Thank you Russel for supporting the Greater Community new book campaign.
Tyyne_Society:  Two encounters this week brought me to really look at suffering in the context of the fortress of belief. It seems the fortress of belief can most surely be the source and the cause of so much suffering, of ignorance, of hatred, of contempt. We have the antidote to this suffering for our own lives and when encountering these two experiences of individuals, I considered the Teachings and brought to bear within my own heart and mind what I know to be true about the power and presence of Knowledge. This power and presence we can now receive, embody and learn to express. To see with compassion and also the reality of the situation. It is an entirely different perspective to come from.
Reed_Society:  @Carolyn, @all, thank you for pointing to the compassion that arises from knowing that suffering is inevitable living apart from timeless creation, here in physical reality. I want to share with you a passage from the revelation Suffering that powerfully speaks to this in a way I have not see elsewhere in the New Message

Reed_Society:  “It is necessary to begin this understanding with seeing that suffering is a part of living in Separation—Separation from your Source, from your eternal life from which you have come and to which you will return eventually. It is a condition of living in physical reality, in a body that has to be fed and cared for and protected against the elements, and protected against aggression from others and competition from others and so forth.

It is a part of life. It will accompany you no matter what you do. Even the person who is seeking the highest level of awareness and compassion in life will experience suffering to a certain degree. To think that you can escape it by trying to be above it all, by trying to have no attachments or no passions or no desires is beyond the reach of nearly everyone.

Even in the end, you will have to become compassionate with others who suffer, and you will feel their suffering. Even if it is not your suffering in this exalted state, you will feel their…

Reed_Society:  … suffering as We feel your suffering, We who watch over the world. We feel your suffering, but it is not Our suffering. So anyone who lives within separated existence, even those who watch over this life that you live, those amongst the great and expanding Angelic Presence, they will feel this suffering too, to a certain degree.”
Dariel_Boulder:  Well put Carolyn…Without the experience of suffering…”how would we have come to the New Message, and how would we know how to experience compassion?”
MVS Society:  Kelvin, thank you for your post regarding the care I bring to receiving the AA. The AA signal has a distinct set of markers that I am very careful to note. I always take time to do this. Even my very infrequent contact with the Allies is introduced by the AA, so there can be no mistake regarding who I am receiveing. I have been very sensitized to the AA Presence over time. I do not allow any other source of messaging into my mind. I have learned in the Mental Environment that you must be the discerning gatekeeper to your mind.
carolyn-ct:  @Dariel, this was a most humbling realization to me.
carolyn-ct:  *and grounding.
Howard Boulder:  Good for you Russell
Nancy_Oregon:  Thank you Marshall for continuing to coach us and instruct from your own unique experience, These are precious moments and valuable, as I/we take note, and continue on the journey. NNC
Tonia_Denmark:  Powerful words Reed, thank you.
Greg_UK:  @MVS Thank you for sharing that PROFOUND insight
Hyeonam_Korea:  Thank you MVS remind about mental Environment.
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you Mellany and Maria for the thoughts on emptiness. Yes, these times of emptiness and stillness are engagement with the Presence and so precious.
Inhee_Korea:  @Tyyne thank you “We have the antidote to this suffering for our own lives and when encountering these two experiences of individuals, I considered the Teachings and brought to bear within my own heart and mind what I know to be true about the power and presence of Knowledge. This power and presence we can now receive, embody and learn to express. To see with compassion and also the reality of the situation. It is an entirely different perspective to come from.”
rayhobbs_Colorado:  “You are endowed with the source of happiness, and it seeks to be used each day and, in time, to be relied upon. That is why we teach people to begin to use Knowledge, the greater capacity of mind they have for knowing and for following what they know. People who want only a little bit of relief from suffering only go so far with it. Perhaps they try to use their intuition in the face of very complex and confusing decisions, and the rest of the time they never think of it. But people who want to give up most suffering begin to see new opportunities for using Knowledge, developing their experience of Knowledge, developing their capacity for Knowledge, fine-tuning their abilities and developing themselves.
And then there are the very rare individuals who are ready to give up all suffering, and for them there is a very special curriculum which we will not speak of, for it is not relevant to your needs. They choose a path that is very expedient but not easy because the direct method is not…
rayhobbs_Colorado:  … easy. The slower method is easier now but more difficult in the long run.” WGC1.22 Escaping Suffering
http://www.newmessage….ume-1
Josef Austria:  @ Thank you Marshall!
Raoul_Australia:  Many voices are speaking to humanity, only the New Message can teach us to discern them.

Ayesha_Society:  Thank you all for sharing how this impacts you. I feel we can stay on the thread of the afterglow account for the entire chat today! I encourage you to please share what you have within the comment section of the New Message Journal (link below). Your words can live where these accounts live permanently, where people outside of the chat environment can also find and read your testimonies and perhaps be impacted as well.

http://www.newmessage….ering

Carol_Society:  @MVS: “the discernig gatekeeper to your mind” Such a powerful image, Marshall. And critical practice. Discerning Gatekeepers 24/7. Thank you.
Hardev Australia:  Thank you Marshall.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you Marshall for your words @11:32am and the experience that goes with them. Indeed as Greg said, they are profound in what they are giving each of us!
Insuk_Korea:  Thank you Reed for “To foster an emptiness and a true clearing within the mind before reading or hearing the Revelation, to allow the message to enter that reverberating space within, not to enter the ears, to enter the mind, but to enter an empty space created for it to enter”
Jos_Netherlands:  Thank you Marshall
Shrimayi Netherlands:  In hindsight suffering is a teacher.
Hazel_UK:  Hazel here joining VERY late from the UK and slightly out of context!
Betty_UK:  Thank you Reed for sharing that passage “It is necessary to begin this understanding with seeing that suffering is a part of living in Separation—Separation …”
carolyn-ct:  Thank you MVS and Kelvin. Humanity needs to learn this art of discernment, and patience regarding contact with the GC. And the ability to hold, to contain something so vast, so powerful, even urgent, before opening the inner gates. That is beyond my experience and inspires great respect.
Lin_Boulder:  So true Raoul. How do we safeguard our personal mind as well as the mental environment of humanity?
Ayesha_Society:  Please feel free to continue to comment on the afterglow account of “suffering”. There is so much that is being shared here. I will add in the first question of the chat today if you feel inclined to comment : What stood out for you in reading Humanity’s Destiny in the Greater Community, and what questions came up for you?
Maria_Boulder:  Thank you Marshall for underlining this great care that you take in terms of what you receive, what you allow into your mind…specific markers you look for(9:32am)…and I had not known that the AA introduce the allies , each time you receive them, so that you may be certain whom you are receiving! Oh what great great care has been taken…it makes my heart swell…
Ilhun_Korea:  Thank you Reed. “Even in the end, you will have to become compassionate with others who suffer, and you will feel their suffering. Even if it is not your suffering in this exalted state, you will feel their…(12:30AM)
Reed_Society: … suffering as We feel your suffering, We who watch over the world.”
Mark_Pittsburgh:  @Reed – thanks for sharing that passage. This “Suffering” revelation makes me think of the films from Wim Wenders about angels who watch over people and share in their suffering as they watch and try to influence the lives they see. They were once in human bodies and know of the difficulties of navigating the world with a mind/body and its needs and desires.
Jangsun_Korea:  @Shrimayi, resonating on that.
Greg_UK:  @Mark what was that movie called?
Raoul_Australia:  @Lin, yes, I cringe thinking of my previous assumptions, without the NM…I would have gone on the totally wrong path!
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Mark, I’d like to know the name of the film as well.
justin-calif-!:  “Wings of Desire”
Kristina FL:  Thank you Marshall “you must be the discerning gatekeeper to your mind.”(11:32AM)
Insuk_Korea:  Tyyne, I agree with you “It seems the fortress of belief can most surely be the source and t~”.
Patricia_Society:  Scrolling the participant list to the right is a very moving experience….having had the privilege to perhaps spend a little bit of time with many of you up until now,…to see your faces each as I read your names and even your numbers, …is very moving…It makes me remember the long years of solo travel before I met Marshall, looking, searching, deferring opportunities, because at that time, the only way to describe them was, “no go.” Long intervals. No one beside me that I could see, only the blessed periodic and mysterious “meetings with remarkable people” who dispensed the next “practice” or “do” or “do not” directive, for me to put in my saddle bag, for the next phase of this “where-in-the-world-is-leading me” journey… And then finding and grabbing hold of that subtle impelling “thread” to go on, to just go on…It makes me realize part of what we are doing together in this Free School environment, is preparing a place that others will come to join in…Like me, like you,…
Patricia_Society:  … they will finally “hack their way through the jungle”, to a great meeting ground or place of rendezvous. And they, like me, like you, beleaguered and exhausted from their search, will see all us gathered and standing there….And then they may realize that now they are not alone, and were never alone, because the first thing we will all say to them, and remind them of, once they recover themselves and look up, is that regarding their long and precarious passage, “Knowledge was with you the whole way…..” and the next confirming thing we will say to them is “You are here now. We are here now. And the Messenger is here now…May we all come to realize what this sacred rendezvous means, what we were vested with the whole way, and what is needed now and as we move forward……
Mike_LF_CAL:  Thanks Justin & Mark.
Jeffrey_Boulder:  This struck me from “Humanity’s Destiny in the GC,” among many other passages: “While this influence in the mental environment has very positive applications, what you are facing in the Greater Community poses the greatest threat to human freedom and sovereignty in this world. This threat is even greater than environmental decline and the wasting of your resources.” “…even greater than…” wow
Kari_H_Finland:  Humanity’s Destiny in the Greater Community. The seriousness of the situation opened up to me via these passages. “The scavenger races instead seek to explore and exploit anything they can. And your beautiful world—with its splendid biological diversity, with its immense strategic importance, and with important [artifacts] from its ancient history—represents an irresistible goal, an irresistible asset for such races as these. … So while a few people in the world today dream about the glory and the splendor of contact, plans are being laid, foundations are being built and influence is being cast to prepare humanity to fall under a greater persuasion. This persuasion will encourage competition and conflict in the world.”
rayhobbs_Colorado:  “People who are inspired are not thwarted by unhappy appearances around them. They can function anywhere to some degree, if they have adequate support from other people and if they continue to nourish their awareness and experience of Knowledge. Then, as they become stronger, they can take Knowledge where Knowledge seems to be lost, and they can contribute to people who are without Knowledge and are lost. The more you come to Knowledge, the more the dark cloud of suffering will part for you.” WGC1.22 Escaping Suffering http://www.newmessage….ume-1
Heidi_Germany:  Lin and Raoul, How do we safeguard our personal mind as well as the mental environment of humanity? Having had bad experience in the beginning, I am asking who it is, when I am insecure and mostly I get the right answer.
Adria_Poland:  @Rayhobbs thank you for that quote.
90148:  I find it curious that the phrase “sacred Knowledge” is used so frequently.
manuel germany :):  many thanks Patricia for your words, very moving.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Patricia, thank you so much for your thoughts, they are deeply moving me.
Douglas_St. Paul:  Oops, that was me.
Maria_Boulder:  @ Ayesha- thank you for reminding us to put our experience of the afterglows on the NM Journal page…I have been remiss…and I absolutely can feel into how deeply it can impact someone new to this path, and especially who has not had the great privilege we have to be alive at the time of our Messenger…and to be receiving these accounts/to be meeting him/ to have him respond to us in the chats….oh my! I know what a treasure it would be to hear from those who had the great blessing to know this man ! Imagine if we could really hear from (see the words of) the students of the great Messengers who came before- know their experience of them!!!
rayhobbs_Colorado:  “Unlike the physical environment, you cannot spoil the mental environment. It is an environment that is made up of thoughts and groups of thoughts, which are called forces. The mental environment cannot be destroyed, but it can become very polluted. It can become very destructive. Unlike the physical environment, the mental environment knows no boundaries in terms of time and space. For instance, if you have great emotional distress where you are, it affects someone on the other side of the world, and vice versa. Perhaps the effects seem to be very slight, but they are real nonetheless because minds are not connected simply by the recognition of another’s physical presence. Minds are connected through a very subtle internal network. That is why we say that if a person discovers Knowledge and makes advancements in the reclamation of Knowledge, he or she will affect minds in many places simultaneously. Most of these individuals this person has never met and is not even aware of because…
rayhobbs_Colorado:  … minds are joined by a deeper fabric that extends far beyond the physical realm.”
WGC2.25 Environments http://www.newmessage….ume-2
Shrimayi Netherlands:  @ Thank you Reed We who watch over the world. We feel your suffering, but it is not Our suffering. So anyone who lives within separated existence, even those who watch over this life that you live, those amongst the great and expanding Angelic Presence, they will feel this suffering too, to a certain degree.”
Greg_UK:  Maybe the fruit of the tree of Knowledge actually caused anmesia, which we are just getting over…
Tonia_Denmark:  I have a personal experience about suffering. It is like a shelter with strings plugged into the ground. This shelter however is not seen, but felt as a pull down, given by the mental environment and dapted by the mind. Not sure how to keep up yet, but working every single day on it.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Jeffery, YES, that phrase struck me as well, “…This threat is even greater than environmental decline and the wasting of your resources.” Very sobering!!!!
Reed_Society:  @Mark, yes, instead of trying to find a stable and permanent happiness in the world—the goal of many spiritual teachings and disciplines—we are called to realize that life apart from Creation is unstable and unhappy, and with this realization finally seek out the one means of redemption and return, the remembrance of Knowledge and of timeless Creation beyond this world. And with that remembrance, we learn to bring this into the world. This protects us from calling something good that isn’t actually good. Trying to make a happy nest in a world of storm. Trying to make separation work.
mellany UK:  Thank you, Patricia.
Raoul_Australia:  @Heidi, yes, now we ask and receive the right answer…such a blessing to know who to ask!
Richmond_UK:  @Patricia thank you for describing your experience of solo travel so vividly. Also, “hack their way through the jungle” very aptly put.
Tyyne_Society:  Oh, Patricia, what a holy encounter to come to this, through all that we have been through. “And then they may realize that now they are not alone, and were never alone, because the first thing we will all say to them, and remind them of, once they recover themselves and look up, is that regarding their long and precarious passage, “Knowledge was with you the whole way…..” and the next confirming thing we will say to them is “You are here now. We are here now. And the Messenger is here now…May we all come to realize what this sacred rendezvous means, what we were vested with the whole way, and what is needed now and as we move forward……” What a blessing being here is. With each and every one of you and all those who will someday find their way.
Jos_Netherlands:  Thank you Patricia. Beautiful expressed.
Dariel_Boulder:  The revelation on suffering reminds me of another rev that speaks of suffering, “Here your suffering can serve you, if you can face it honestly, without self-condemnation. Here it brings you to your need for God, your need for Knowledge, your need for purpose and real meaning in life, your need for a Greater Coordination. Heaven is waiting for you to reach out honestly, deeply. You must send the sign to the Higher Powers that you are ready to have your true life restored.” from The Great Coordination (given in Patricia’s Journal)
rayhobbs_Colorado:  “In order to function in the Greater Community, you have to develop tremendous abilities of discernment and methods and avenues of communication. You also have to become aware of another race’s impact upon you—the power of their thoughts, their concentration, their social cohesion, and so forth, in comparison and contrast to yours. One of the laws in the mental environment is that concentration is power. This has a corollary in the physical environment where physical force is power. In the mental environment, it is concentration. An individual more concentrated than you will have a greater influence on you than you will have on him or her. A group or race more concentrated than you will have a greater influence on you than you will have on them. How true this is in the Greater Community. That is why advancing societies must learn something about the mental environment if they are to effectively compete, relate and deal with other races. You have not had this requirement yet in your…
rayhobbs_Colorado:  … learning, … but you will have it soon.”
WGC2.25 Environments http://www.newmessage….ume-2
Kari_H_Finland:  @Patricia, thank you for reminding us of the miracle of finding each other through the jungle which we entered when we were born here.
MVS Society:  Become very familiar with the ways that Knowledge speaks to you so that you can discern these from other voices and influences that come into your mind. This is part of the training in preparing for the Greater Community.
Josef Austria:  @ Patricia, Thank you!
Hardev Australia:  Thank you MVS, Patricia and to all here. Thank you to the NM Free School sacred rendezvous.
Jorge_Spain:  Humanity’s Destiny in the Greater Community: “Consider the native peoples of the world. One day their life was always as it had been for centuries, or even millennia. The next day, everything begins to change and to collapse. And what changes one day from another here is intervention.”
Heidi_Germany:  Yes, Raoul, you are right!
Thomas_Boulder:  To whatever degree I have suffered, I can see that part of the mechanism of suffering provides a conveyance and a motive to proceed. So I can’t fully identify with and remain trapped in suffering, yet I must be close to its meaning and purpose and how it completes the picture of Separation and reveals my true intentions for being here.
Kelvin_Boulder:  “watchful, like a man crossing a winter stream;
alert, like a man aware of danger;
courteous, like a visiting guest;
yielding, like ice about to melt;
simple, like a piece of uncarved wood;
hollow, like a cave
opaque, like muddy water.”
(Lao Tzu, Chapter 15, Tao Te Ching)
Raoul_Australia:  Thank you Patricia “You are here now. We are here now. And the Messenger is here now…” I have often thought that way, no matter how battered we are from our lives , now we are here, with the Messenger…so we made it here!
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you for your honesty about your journey, Jim B. We all have journeys through suffering that can help others to find KN.
Wendy NY:  Thank you Reed. I guess it is about having appropriate expectations of our separated selves in our separated reality and work with it, as it is. And perhaps this is the whole point. I feel there is a beauty in it. It touches me.
Mike_LF_CAL:  I fell one of the major points in the Revelation “Humanity’s Destiny in the Greater Community” is a reference to the power that humanity is just now becoming aware of, “What exists beyond your borders is a competitive environment, unlike anything you can possibly imagine. Here there are races that are mature. Here there are races that have learned how to gain what they need without the use of weapons and force. Here races have realized that the strength and the power of the mind in the mental environment is far more effective and far more constructive than trying to exert influence through weaponry or by physical force. Humanity only has an inkling of what this greater power may be, and [yet] indeed this greater power is known to you. It is power and influence in the mental environment. ” This power, The Mental Environment is the 5th force in nature, the power of the mind. Looking back over the evolution of my study of the GC interaction with humans I would read these accounts of…
Mike_LF_CAL:  … beings staring into the eyes of their abductees and this I found very intriguing but never really took contemplation any further and I noticed, looking back, neither did anyone else. Then TNM came into my life and it was like a floodlight of realization came on… The Power of The Mind.
Nancy_Oregon:  @Reed thank you so much. your words are a stabilizing force, hearing your take on ‘Trying to make separation Work.” NNC
Jeanne_Boulder:  Thanks Kelvin, I love the (Lao Tzu, Chapter 15, Tao Te Ching)
Ayesha_Society:  @Maria, oh yes! It is a treasure to hear from the people who actually knew of the Messenger, who actually met him, and were able to bear witness to him and the process of revelation that is shared with us all. I feel that our collective voices bring weight and a reality to what is happening here and who Marshall is. The sharing of our testimonies brings this to a whole other level of importance.
Tyyne_Society:  Beautiful passage from Lao Tzu, Kelvin. Thank you for sharing.
MVS Society:  Reed reminded us last week in the Chat to always set your intention before practice or listening to the NMG. This trains you to enter these important experiences with mental power in a present state of mind.
Hazel_UK:  Thank you Patricia, your words made me emotional because I can so relate and I’ve not be travelling this path anywhere near the length that you and many others have. I’m still young but I feel a lot of the younger students are coming to the message ‘in the deep end’ as our emergence into The Greater Community is well and truly evident and bearing down on us all and it’s when we step back and look at it all, even with only a fraction of insight, that the magnitude of what is bearing down on us is really real and really happening. “We’ll say that Knowledge was with us all along”, Patricia and there is gift of hindsight!
Douglas_St. Paul:  The suffering that results from my errors inspires me to look for a better way.
Reed_Society:  @Patricia, wow, thank you for distilling the process of search, struggle and discovery that we each have gone through, in our own way, to be here now. Many hundreds of thousands of people are being called onto that road. Their long walk by start tonight, it may have started last year, or ten years ago. May it result at last in a true discovery, the people—the place—the purpose that are meant for them and the fulfillment of the intention that they had before entering the world. For a good many, the New Message will be that destination and fulfillment. May our experience serve in helping them, and may we hold open and grow this space so that there is a place and a people to join with
Jeffrey_Boulder:  “Humanity’s Destiny in the GC”: “[I]t is… important to realize that your first encounter with intelligent life will not be with saints and environmentalists.” check
Ilhun_Korea:  Thank you, rayhobbs for the quote “Minds are connected through a very subtle internal network. That is why we say that if a person discovers Knowledge and makes advancements in the reclamation of Knowledge, he or she will affect minds in many places simultaneously. Most of these individuals this person has never met and is not even aware of because…(12:48AM)
rayhobbs_Colorado: … minds are joined by a deeper fabric that extends far beyond the physical realm.”
WGC2.25 Environments http://www.newmessage….ume-2(12:48AM)”
Jeanne_Boulder:  Thanks Douglas_St. Paul: The suffering that results from my errors inspires me to look for a better way.
Wendy NY:  Thank you MVS. I am just beginning to appreciate how the Chat is in itself a training to be in relationship with a collective at a higher level.
Shrimayi Netherlands:  Thank you Patricia “we are not alone”
Alison_Boulder:  “So while a few people in the world today dream about the glory and the splendor of contact, plans are being laid, foundations are being built and influence is being cast to prepare humanity to fall under a greater persuasion” – Humanity’s Destiny in the GC
MVS Society:  Suffering can only be a teacher if you are willing to be a true student.
86344:  Douglas “The suffering that results from my errors inspires me to look for a better way.” This is very pertinent for me today.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Rayhobbs, (8:48), That’s an excellent quote to share on the subject and powerful influence the mind has and is susceptible to across time and space.. an Einstein quote “Spooky action at a distance!”
Will_Society:  Please stay tuned right after the hour strikes for an important advocacy opportunity.
Ilhun_Korea:  Thank you MVS for the guide of studying of Mental Environment.
James & Ruth OH:  Fellow students: The world is suffering from the “intervention” from the Greater Community. Our purpose now is to help the Society. The Society needs our help – please consider becoming a pillar of support to spread the New Message. Humanity must reach the tipping point of Knowledge in our world. Our freedom, independence and self-determination depend on it. NNC
Greg_UK:  NNC all – work in 30 mins !
Martin_Australia:  Thanks, Will. Shall do
Russell_Sask:  And so my fellow Students of Knowledge and Carriers of the New Message the time fast approaches where we collectively still our minds and achieve a brief moment at “God Speed” Please take the time to still your fingers as well as your mind at the “Top of the Hour” Serenity and the possibility of new directions await our joined mind’s. We Must Do This Together, United we Stand as Guardians of the Mental Environment on Earth our Home in the Greater Community. God is Everywhere and You are Where You Are. Nasi Novare Coram
manuel germany :):  @Jeffrey_Boulder: thanks for that quote: “[I]t is… important to realize that your first encounter with intelligent life will not be with saints and environmentalists.” – And that´s why we have to learn how the operate in that clandestine manner and help other people see how they are trying to deceive humanity by making them believe that they are here to help, to bring us technology, to help us restore our environmental problems, to bring peace… all tricks to gain allegiance over humanity.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @MVS (8:50) I feel that is my purpose for now, and I am trying very hard to discern…
Jeanne_Boulder:  Thanks for all of your wisdom today, Nasi Novare Coram
Dariel_Boulder:  Yes, Patricia…Our journeys have brought us through suffering that then makes it possible to open ourselves to others who are seeking this still place and support to find the life-giving waters of this Revelation. Yes, KN has been with us all along but to stumble into ‘this clearing’ and to find the soul-quenching pool of the NM is such a blessing and the beginning of inspiration and certainty rising above confusion and suffering. Thank you so much for being the amazing support for the Messenger for all these years. We owe so much to you and other members who have ‘stood fast’.
Kristina FL:  I have a question. What is the threshold (in temperature, condition of the world, CO2 level.. etc), when the GC of Worlds can say ” it is ok to interfere”here. If we fall into war and conflict we destroy infrastructure and nature too.
Kari_H_Finland:  “Reed reminded us last week in the Chat to always set your intention before practice or listening to the NMG” Thank you Messenger. If I recall correctly you also said in one of these chats that a practice may require a long (even 1 hour) preparation to prepare your mental state for practice. This has stayed with me.
rayhobbs_Colorado:  “Ideas are planted in your mind without the use of symbols. Others can manipulate your dream sequences. They can create reoccurring thoughts in your mind. If you do not know how to discern these from your own thoughts, then you will claim ownership for them and they will affect you. They will affect you, influence you and lead you to do things you would not do otherwise or to make decisions that were not in your best interests. The power of inspiration, on the other hand, comes from Knowledge. It cannot be influenced. It is immune to this kind of persuasion. Even a Greater Community set of skills used against an individual strong with Knowledge would not be effective in changing their perception, their understanding or their experience. The influence would be felt, but it would be recognized as a perpetration from the outside. This ability to be objective with one’s own mind, thoughts and experiences is a very important part of practicing the Greater Community Way of Knowledge. It…
rayhobbs_Colorado:  … requires great discernment. It requires that you stand back from your thoughts to observe them rather than simply being governed by them or overtaken by them or tormented by them. While humanity is now dazzled by its advances in technology, it has yet to learn the greater powers that exist in the mental environment, … powers that will exceed your technological abilities.” Life in the Universe Chapter 10 The Power of Knowledge http://www.newmessage….verse
Richmond_UK:  “Humanity’s Destiny in the GC” “The Intervention functions at will. It travels at will. It takes people against their will. It exploits people. It changes people. It destroys people. It is fundamentally evil..Your potential rulers would treat humanity no better than you treat your domestic animals today. They do not regard you as their equals, and they are not interested in your fascinating qualities. And they do not understand your spirituality, except insofar that it can be used against you to weaken you, to disarm you and to distract you.”
Rudy_Boulder:  Thank you James & Ruth for the call to support the Society.
Shrimayi Netherlands:  @ Thank you Marshall and Reed to remind us to train ourselves to be in a present state of mind especialy before listening,reading or meditate.
Danny_Australia:  Hi All sorry I couldn’t make it early I have not yet read the account on the afterglow however I would like to share my recent thoughts on the Messenger. I have reconsidered my perception of him in the last few hours of this day and have had a vision of how Marshall is a human just like all and I think what struck me is that there is much humility in the Messenger. It is very honourable to be able to be a human and live an inner life as well as an outer life as a Messenger… I think I have only seen the outer life and have never identified myself with the role of the Messenger on an even human level. I have thought about past accounts of the ‘cloud room’ and imagined that Marshall also is a man who hosts a humble space for self reflection and I think what strikes me is this. I have personally abandoned much of my inner life in the last few years and believed myself to be only the way I am presenting myself to other people and what I perceive to be the ‘present’ moment, however I have…
Danny_Australia:  … forgotten that I also have a sense of self identity and an inner world to cultivate. It can sound boring and almost selfish to live in your own inner world and see yourself as an individual, honestly I think this is actually one of the most honourable things and makes you approachable and non threatening.
Ayesha_Society:  The hour has arrived so quickly. Lets take a moment to be with all that you have shared today.
86344:  “always set your intention before practice or listening to the NMG. This trains you to enter these important experiences with mental power in a present state of mind.” Thank you MVS for this guidance. I began studying this week with another student. It is already a whole new level in studenthood.

Will_Society:  A good opportunity for advocacy has arisen this week, and I want to encourage you to participate. A chorus of voices on this may be powerful.

The Atlantic magazine is asking for people to share their experience of new religious movements in a survey. This could be a great way for them to learn of the New Message, and perhaps feature it in an upcoming article.

https://www.theatlanti…4513/
https://docs.google.co…wform

Here are some suggestions for keeping our responses unified and salient to the Atlantic’s interest:

– Focus on what is new and compelling to you in the New Message.
– The religious movement is “the New Message from God”
– Marshall Vian Summers is the Messenger and founder of the movement.
– Mentioning the “Worldwide Community of the New Message” would be very helpful as well.

I will copy this into the Advocates Facebook group, where we can discuss it…

Will_Society:  … further as needed.
Patricia_Society:  Another hourly practice to consider, imaging a dip stick that measures worldwide suffering, and taking that dipstick and immersing it in the world, to guage to degree of “suffering” and the regions and places of greatest suffering, and the states of mind and body that are prevailing. And then, to take that moment, inside that Hourly Practice to emit the call, “Return to Knowledge. Return to what you most deeply know and have always known….you are not alone.” Thank you all for finding and making it to the opening in the jungle..during the time of the Messenger…
jeanine_Society:  @Will Thank you for providing that advocacy opportunity for everyone…
Ayesha_Society:  James & Ruth, its truly inspiring to hear your words of call to support the New Message. Much appreciation to you
Mathieu-France:  is the chat frozen, or are we all waiting to hear from Will?
Shrimayi Netherlands:  @ Thank you Marshall Suffering can only be a teacher if you are willing to be a true student.
Richmond_UK:  Yes thanks Will for sharing this new advocacy opportunity.
Alisa_Russia:  @Carol @Jeanine – it’s Alisa. I had already signed in earlier, but then I had to leave and I didn’t realize I was a number again when I came back.
carolyn-ct:  @Ayesha: So many people I have had discussions with over the years believed that the Roman invasions in the end offered a massive improvement to Europe because of the introduction of infrastructure (so many roads) and government (photo democratic at the best of times), even after the Roman Empire fell. I find this is one argument that is misleading in the sense that the governing bodies of the Intervention races in many ways seem to me to be even more primitive than ours, with a rigid top down approach, which is more like the ancient Egyptian model and may have inspired it. This was not as true of the Romans, although in both cases we are viewed by the ‘invaders’ as barbaric and dangerous, in need of education and reform, in their style, not ours, and that is what threatens our freedom. This, and the fact that they use subterfuge, mind control, and behavior modification, pacification, as their tools, points to our great need to allow our inner and outer practices to improve so that we…
carolyn-ct:  … can resist their attempts to overtake us. And the great gift we have been given in the revelations and teachings of the NM. This is one take away I have from Human Destiny in the GC.
Jos_Netherlands:  Thank Will. I’ll look into it.

Tyyne_Society:  I, and the Society, want to thank everyone for contributing to the Kickstarter Project. It met and exceeded its fundraising goal last week thanks to everyone’s involvement and support.

You can still get involved in supporting the publication of The Greater Community by visitinghttp://www.newmessage….paign We are very close to reaching the campaign only goal with about $1800 to go!

Deep thanks and gratitude for your financial contributions and for your studenthood and presence here today.

carolyn-ct:  *proto-democratic
Raoul_Australia:  @Alison, thank you, wow, this is a sobering quote: “So while a few people in the world today dream about the glory and the splendor of contact, plans are being laid, foundations are being built and influence is being cast to prepare humanity to fall under a greater persuasion” – Humanity’s Destiny in the GC
Cole_NJ:  Thank you Will

Alison_Boulder:  @All, in addition to Will’s invitation to the survey, Advocacy opportunities exist in sharing the continued Greater Community Campaign, on Facebook, Twitter, blogs and more. See here for more: http://www.newmessage….paign

Also, here is a press release to share on social media. http://religionnews.co…hread

Thank you to everyone in your advocacy work for the New Message!

Carol_Society:  WE INVITE YOU to engage with the following, as you can:

The Messenger Update – “Suffering,” received July 5, 2017 – Afterglow, by Patricia Summers:http://www.newmessage….ering

Reed Summers’ post on the New Message Journal, “The Mind, Religion and Belief”:
http://www.newmessage….elief

The Messenger Speaks: “The Fortress of Belief”
http://www.newmessage….elief
Read the words and listen to the voice of the Messenger, as his great wisdom pours forth to us and to the world.

The Allies of Humanity Forum: http://alliesofhumanit…orum/
Campfire Chat Transcriptions: http://www.newmessage….ripts
Today’s Chat transcript will be posted at the end of our discussion.

Alison_Boulder:  Advocacy Gatherings meets each Thursday at Uberconference.com/NewMessage, 6:30pm MST and 7 BST. Email alison@newmessage.org for how to join.
Tonia_Denmark:  Thank you for the reminder, Ayesha. Yes, very precious.
Mike_LF_CAL:  If anyone is interested, the 4 forces of nature (in no particular order) 1) Electricity & Magnetism; 2) Gravity; 3) weak Nuclear force; 4) Strong Nuclear force. and now the 5th, 5) The Mental Environment.
Alisa_Russia:  @Will – a wonderful opportunity. I feel called to respond.
Betty_UK:  Thank you Patricia, yes we are here and we’re not alone, “May we all come to realize what this sacred rendezvous means, what we were vested with the whole way, and what is needed now and as we move forward……”
justin-calif-!:  Thanx again all for your wisdom- A quick note: I will be at the Burning Man again this year (Labor day weekend) giving out NM info- anyone who happens to be there- look me up- camp around 2:30 near the edge- look for the 9 foot tall inflated Alien! NNC!
Dariel_Boulder:  Thank you, Wendy… “about having appropriate expectations of our separated selves in our separated reality and work with it, as it is. And perhaps this is the whole point. I feel there is a beauty in it. It touches me.” Your words touch me.
Will_Society:  The conversation on the Atlantic new religious movement survey can continue beyond today’s chat, in the Advocates Facebook group. https://www.facebook.c…8201/
Robert_Society:  Thank you to everyone here supporting the New Message and its Messenger. And to all around the world who are supporting the emergence and expression of Knowledge. May we all help this grow. Nasi Novare Coram
MVS Society:  You must deeply feel that you life is not really working and the suffering it is creating for you, to see the sign and the calling and to have the courage and motivation to move on.
jeanine_Society:  To report typos or get support: newmessage.org/help
Samantha_SA:  Thank you MVS for your words.
Ayesha_Society:  Going on the thread of sharing our testimonies as Maria mentioned, this is the perfect opportunity of advocacy as shared by Will to bear witness and share your honest testimonies and experiences as the first recipients of the New Message.
Will_Society:  It would be wild for the Atlantic to suddenly learn of Marshall and the New Message, from 50 voices around the planet.
Betty_UK:  The passage that caught my attention in ‘Humanity’s Destiny in the Greater Community’ is; “There must be greater objectivity. There must be greater clarity.
This wisdom that God has placed within you is not in competition with itself or in conflict with itself [in others]. It, therefore, represents the greatest force for unity, and peace and cooperation that is possible in this world or in any world.”
mellany UK:  Thanks, Will!
James & Ruth OH:  @MVS … the suffering we feel is in our separation from God!
Betty_UK:  Thanks Will
manuel germany :):  Thank you very much for the moderation of today´s chat – and thanks Will for that Advocacy opportunity at Atlantic… will see where it leads us  Nasi Novare Coram
Jeffrey_Boulder:  “[Y]our beautiful world—with its splendid biological diversity, with its immense strategic importance, and with important [artifacts] from its ancient history—represents an irresistible goal, an irresistible asset for such races as these.” “Humanity’s Destiny in the GC”
Alisa_Russia:  @MVS – I guess if you deeply feel that your life really is working for your and any suffering it has created has been resolved, you just couragously carry on.
Martin_Australia:  Wow, thank you, Patricia. I sometimes give a call out on the hour that is similar. Powerful phrases that you have suggested. I will emit the call
Hazel_UK:  I hear you Marshall. Thank you Will!
Jos_Netherlands:  Have to leave. NNC
Maria_Boulder:  @Will- big smile:It would be wild for the Atlantic to suddenly learn of Marshall and the New Message, from 50 voices around the planet.(10:10AM) a question: what do you suggest: short and concise? I ask, because I can be wordy (as many may have noticed- sorry!)
Alison_Boulder:  @Ayesha agreed, and worth saving what we write in the survey for re-use in social media Advocacy at opportune moments.
Wendy NY:  @MVS – deep suffering on different levels has been the catalyst for deep change in my life. The suffering that catalyzed my response to the NM was feeling that our collective reality is simply not workable, not knowing how to engage with it, not wanting to shut down. It really was getting unbearable for me. And then the NM.
Ilhun_Korea:  Thank you MVS for your words… “You must deeply feel that you life is not really working and the suffering it is creating for you, to see the sign and the calling and to have the courage and motivation to move on.”
jeanine_Society:  If we write from our heart about the NMFG and Messenger, then it will be good….
Ilhun_Korea:  I sometimes feel the fact that “Minds are connected through a very subtle internal network.”
Will_Society:  @Maria, to share authentically and deeply and as clearly as possible would be wonderful. For some that may be a long answer, and for others perhaps much shorter.
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Will, Survey completed and sent…
rayhobbs_Colorado:  Alisa_Russia: “To continue, you must persevere. You persevere when you feel like it and when you don’t feel like it, when you are happy and when you are sad, when you are encouraged and when you are discouraged, when you are certain and when you are uncertain. Others will quit along the way because they cannot differentiate themselves from their ideas and their feelings. Yet, you persist because Knowledge keeps you going. Here you are strong with Knowledge and Knowledge is strong in you. Others may fall away because they need to go somewhere else. They are just passing through. But if this is meant for you, you must persevere. How do you know if it is meant for you? Because you know to persevere. You give yourself to this. You do not give yourself up to this. You give yourself to this. There is a very great difference.” WGC2.33 Perseverance http://www.newmessage….ume-2
Dominic_UK:  Thanks everyone. Got to go. Be well. NNC
Will_Society:  @Kelvin Now that was a concise response! Thank you.
Maria_Boulder:  thanks Will!
Kelton_Calif:  @ Patricia- So Much Gratitude to you Patricia and all the early supporters of Marshall and This New Revelation. Not even Knowing in those early years of receiving that this was a New Revelation from God. You said – “…It makes me remember the long years of solo travel before I met Marshall, looking, searching, deferring opportunities, because at that time, the only way to describe them was, “no go.” Long intervals. No one beside me that I could see, only the blessed periodic and mysterious “meetings with remarkable people” who dispensed the next “practice” or “do” or “do not” directive, for me to put in my saddle bag, for the next phase of this “where-in-the-world-is-leading me” journey… And then finding and grabbing hold of that subtle impelling “thread” to go on, to just go on…It makes me realize part of what we are doing together in this Free School environment, is preparing a place that others will come to join in…Like me, like you,..” . Thank you!Thank you! Thank You!…
Kelton_Calif:  … Without this effort and devotion, we and others to come, could not have found this Abode – the Free School
Ilhun_Korea:  See you, Dominic.
Danny_Australia:  Thank you all.
Kelvin_Boulder:  We have over 100 people on here, takes 2 minutes to complete. This is awesome if we could get 100 people to submit it now..
Alisa_Russia:  @Jeanine @Maria sometimes in situations like this (writing a comment for The Atlantic) I feel my response comes through me from a deeper place, as though I am being guided.
Mark_Pittsburgh:  @MVS – I can testify to this. I don’t recommend it, but it will put gas in your tank: “You must deeply feel that you[r] life is not really working and the suffering it is creating for you, to see the sign and the calling and to have the courage and motivation to move on.”
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Will, the Atlantic magazine survey is a great find brother!!
Hazel_UK:  @Kelvin, I like your ‘strike while the iron is hot’ approach 
Alisa_Russia:  @Ray – right on!
jeanine_Society:  @Alisa – I know what you mean…our intention is for the greater good…
Raoul_Australia:  @Will, thankyou for the heads up, Survey sent…
Youngkyo_Korea:  Thank you MVS for “Suffering can only be a teacher if you are willing to be a true student.” I will take your word to my heart.
MVS Society:  Thank you, James and Ruth for this calling of support to help me and those of us providing the NMG carry this great and growing burden and blessing for the world. It is our task and honor to be called to do this.
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Hazel, the signal to noise ratio is high, once we move out of the chat, life can take over.
Alison_Boulder:  @Kelvin that was the most feel-good survey I’ve taken.
Shawn_Moose Jaw:  Survey sent Will.
Alison_Boulder:  Back to black font, sorry!
Kelvin_Boulder:  @Alison, yes it was.
Raoul_Australia:  @Alison, yes! same here
carolyn-ct:  @Mike_LF. The ME: Historically, quantum physicists refer to observers’ effect upon experiment, in the FOP or Field of Potentiality. Here we have accord between the NM and quantum physics, yet QP is only a product of human research and experimentation, hypotheses and interpretation (or is it?). There is a direct correlation between powerfully concentrated, directed thought and perception by the ‘target’. Its important for us to realize this has been harnessed and is being utilized by the Forces of Dissonance and the Intervention. Some folks are twisting this to mean we create our own reality, but we are far from that place in our evolution. I would argue that we do create some of our own perceptions, as we change our experience everytime we recall an event. When I came to this part of the New Message, the teachings on the Mental Environment, I was so grateful to finally find such clarity on this issue.
James & Ruth OH:  @MVS…and you and the Society wear your badges proudly and represent us well. NNC
David_Drimmel:  What does one do with too much energy besides exercise?
Arthur:  Lend it to me.
Dariel_Boulder:  Nasi Novare Coram
James & Ruth OH:  @MVS…you honor humanity with great humility and love…NNC
MVS Society:  Thank you Denny for your recognition. My long journey of great challenge without recognition from the world has strengthened and humbled me and refined me to where I am today. I am still in training. There is no perfection to be gained here, only progress and service.
Tyyne_Society:  Such a moving and powerful chat today. Thank you everyone for your student hood, for taking on the Way of Knowledge and for assisting the Messenger in this great effort to turn the tide for humanity toward our greater destiny.
Reed_Society:  @Alison, @Will, yes it would be great for everyone to save what they send through the Atlantic Magazine form – perhaps we can treat this as draft #1 of witnessing the Message and the Messenger, the benefit to our lives, and what makes the New Message “new”, and these can be compiled and presented at some point.
Darlene_Society:  Alison, Kelvin, Shawn, Raoul…thank you for leading the charge and advocating on the Atlantic Survey. PLEASE everyone this is a chance to give back, speak, use your voices outside this CHAT environment and find others like you. Carol has given us four places to speak, and Will just provided a new opportunity. This is your homework. Use your voice for Marshall and the Message this week! Thank you each and every one of you. You are precious to us.
Kelton_Calif:  @Will Society. Clearly great opportunity! Count me in!
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Alison (9:14), good point save!
rayhobbs_Colorado:  carolyn-ct: @Mike_LF. “In the Greater Community, the advancing race of any solar system is considered the master of that solar system and rarely will outside intervention occur. History has proven that the conquest of one race over another is too costly and too destructive. There are more subtle ways to influence nations, and in this, the development of skill in the mental environment has been the great emphasis for those who are interested in conquest and acquisition. Brute force is too destructive, requires too much effort and often produces unwanted results. This is a lesson that most advanced worlds have learned. There are more subtle forms of persuasion in the mental environment, and we have touched upon this in many of our discourses in this book. We have introduced the idea of the mental environment in its relevance to your life. Development in the mental environment and development in Greater Community Knowledge must come about and can only come about through diligent practice…
rayhobbs_Colorado:  … and preparation in  Steps to Knowledge. What we are introducing here is a larger perspective so that you can understand more completely the predicament of your world and the opportunities that are offered to you now. Understanding should precede action in order for action to be meaningful and wisely employed.” WGC2.28 Greater Community Realities http://www.newmessage….ume-2
Inhee_Korea:  Thank you Marshall ‘There is no perfection to be gained here, only progress and service.”
Kelvin_Boulder:  @David, I sometimes use it to go into the dark places within and shine a light… See the little demons runs away.
MVS Society:  If we persist in strengthening our studenthood and advocacy, doors will open within us and before us.
Shrimayi Netherlands:  You do not have this wisdom and this discernment yet, but it can and must grow within you as an individual and within the human family.
Do not think that humanity does not have promise here, for to do so underestimates your power and your potency and the greater promise that humanity has for the future—for a future that will be unlike the past.
Mark_Pittsburgh:  @Reed, @all – After you submit your survey, you may go back to copy what you wrote by clicking on “Edit Your response”
Reed_Society:  @David_drimmel, over many years for me…online advocacy and supporting the projects/campaigns of The Society
Tyyne_Society:  Yes, Dar, this is a rare opportunity to speak to and through a powerful medium of communication – the Atlantic.
Maria_Boulder:  @ Darlene (10:29) YES! Fellow students- its homework time Lets roll up our sleeves, and get er done!
Alisa_Russia:  Great tip about copying and saving our responses. I just did.
Will_Society:  We can copy our survey answers into the Facebook thread.
Raoul_Australia:  well said Maria!
Alisa_Russia:  @Will – that will be interesting!
Raoul_Australia:  …I didn’t save my response, but it was succinct, I said how for the first time I found real wisdom with no pageantry, ritual or dogma.
David_Drimmel:  Thank you Kelvin and Reed
LaRaeUK:  Greetings all…..just home from work. Looking forward to the wisdom shared here.
Raoul_Australia:  hi LaRae,,glad you made it!
Hazel_UK:  @Will how do add our answers to the Facebook thread?
Alisa_Russia:  MVS: “If we persist in strengthening our studenthood and advocacy, doors will open within us and before us.” Thank you. These words are hitting me with their full power.
MaryS_Boulder:  Likewise, Raoul, my response was too succinct and direct to want to save it when I can speak directly better by speaking directly.
Patricia_Society:  Will, such a powerful practice of posting to The Atlantic. Thank you….
Ellen_Society:  @LaRae….so much inspiration to read and resulting advocacy to do!
Tonia_Denmark:  May we find this strenght every single day to come to Knowledge.
Alison_Boulder:  Raoul I said that too 
MVS Society:  Yes Will, The NMG is now coming from too many places to be suppressed or avoided.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @carolyn_ct, I hear you load and clear!
LaRaeUK:  Thanks Raoul…..
Shrimayi Netherlands:  @Ilhun I agree with your words,
LaRaeUK:  That’s wonderful Ellen…..I will explore it vigilantly.
Alisa_Russia:  I feel that the timing of this is so right.
MVS Society:  You suffering gets you firmly started on the journey. The world’s suffering will keep you going.
Tyyne_Society:  A world presence on the survey offered by The Atlantic – a world presence – this is so big it comes from everywhere.
Ellen_Society:  @ Alisa….Yes, I feel we are riding a great swell in the ocean now.
Will_Society:  @Hazel I would recommend copying your response from the survey and pasting it into the Facebook thread. https://www.facebook.c…8201/ Or if you already submitted it, can you summarize it there?
David_Drimmel:  Marshall, I’ve felt that happening since I first started reading the NM in 2011. Oh, how different I am today, yet something within me has remained. When I heard about the 4 pillars, and started reading on the work pillar, I was shocked how much I was neglecting important parts of my life, compromising the rest.
Hazel_UK:  @Will Sure! I’ve just submitted my response now
rayhobbs_Colorado:  “The ambitious, the self-seeking, the self-serving—these are always a hazard when a pure Revelation is being given into the world. It is enough, you see. People do not need to embellish it. People do not need to add on to it or alter it in any way, for this weakens it and destroys its power, confuses its meaning and corrupts its message.
When We speak of a Worldwide Community, then, We are speaking of those who are united with the Messenger and his Sacred Community. It is not merely the Message they must receive. It is the Messenger and those who will carry on his work beyond his life. They are all one. You cannot really have one without the other and really be able to receive the blessings and the great power that God is bestowing upon you and, through you and others, upon the whole world.
Do not think that you can do a better plan for presenting this to the world. Do not play the Judas role. Do not betray the Messenger.
A community must have a center. It must have a purpose. It must…
rayhobbs_Colorado:  … have a unifying purpose. And it must be stronger than the will and intent of any person. It must have the Power of Heaven within it to be true, to be lasting and to carry itself forward into a world that will be ever more chaotic within the Great Waves of change. To be part of this Community is to give your mind and heart to this—to the Messenger, the Message and those who will carry on his Message with his blessings and approval.” …. ” In this way, the Message remains pure in a world that is so impure. It remains uncorrupted in a world that is corrupted. Those who hold it in its pure form will be the antidote to those who steal it and try to do things with it for their own purposes and to their own ends.” The Worldwide Community of God’s New Revelationhttp://www.newmessage….ssage
Insuk_Korea:  Thank you Marshall for “You must deeply feel that you life is not really working and the suffering it is creating for you, to see the sign and the calling and to have the courage and motivation to move on.”
Betty_UK:  I will have a look at the survey after the chat – what an opportunity to share the NM
Raoul_Australia:  To read this from The Messenger is an amazing milestone: “The NMG is now coming from too many places to be suppressed or avoided.” Gratitude to the Messenger, the Society and the WWCommunity of the NM!
David_Drimmel:  “Ambitious and self-seeking” has come up for me a lot in considering what parts of my life are more self seeking or naturally come from me. When I get to the heart I realize I don’t want to be self seeking, that I truly want to contribute to others.
David_Drimmel:  Thanks Rayhobbs.
Kristina FL:  Thank you all, Nasi Novare Coram
David_Drimmel:  Nasi Novare Coram
rayhobbs_Colorado:  Retreana Carvedan Celton Iy: “Receive the Heart of God through your Spiritual Family that is joined about you.” Nasi Novare Coram
Kari_H_Finland:  I feel uneasy to provide my personal information for the survey. I have been concerned about the future attacks to New Message students.
Jim B. Upstate NY:  @Raoul yes to hear that from MVS struck me deeply as well! The New message from God is becoming too powerful to go unrecognized! I feel the suffering in the world is a vehicle for it to be felt and seen by many!
Douglas_St. Paul:  Overheard at The Atlantic: “Hmm…The New Message from God visited us today.”
Mike_LF_CAL:  … I have firmly started on the journey…
Ellen_Society:  Thank you to all who have contributed to the chat today, and to each of you who fulfill this great advocacy opportunity!
Hazel_UK:  @Douglas I think that’s the kind of impact we are aiming for here  *Thumbs Up*
Virpi_Finland:  Survey sent here too, anonymous this time (hint, Kari, altough we are already out there). I like these flash response like things.. Thank you all for your precious Presence here. It just got thunder and lightning here outside, so I need to go. NNC.
Maria_Boulder:  @ Kari- I accepted a long time ago, that there will be attacks…better me than our Messenger!
Raoul_Australia:  I agree, Jim, the suffering is a vehicle
LaRaeUK:  Well put Maria!
Alisa_Russia:  MVS “Your suffering gets you firmly started on the journey. The world’s suffering will keep you going.” No truer words were ever said.
Hazel_UK:  Yes Maria!
Raoul_Australia:  @Maria, for sure, I would ‘take the bullet’
Ilhun_Korea:  I learn that Suffering is a sign and motivation…
Kari_H_Finland:  @Raoul, do not be too eager to take the bullet. The world needs you…
Mike_LF_CAL:  I 2nd Raoul’s acknowledgement, “To read this from The Messenger is an amazing milestone: “The NMG is now coming from too many places to be suppressed or avoided.” Gratitude to the Messenger, the Society and the WWC of the NM!(9:42)”
Alisa_Russia:  @Kari – but still we must make a stand.
Raoul_Australia:  @Kari, thanks brother, no, I am not eager for any bullet!
Kari_H_Finland:  I also feel that the anonymous response does not honor the New Message from God and the Messenger
Betty_UK:  @MVS ‘ You suffering gets you firmly started on the journey. The world’s suffering will keep you going.’ Thank you for this. A few days ago, I found an article, about ‘ Dr Ruth Pfau’, she’s also known as the ‘Mother Theresa of Pakistan’ – I wanted to know more about her life and also the life of Mother Theresa, but what I was really intrigued about, is ‘What keeps people going, when they see suffering around them?’ from the few video interview I found, I could see that they were led by an inexplicable force, but all they wanted was to ease people’s suffering and be in service for the world. That was very humbling to see their demonstration. Knowledge was their force.
Eron_Boulder:  Blessings everyone…Nasi Novare Coram
Alisa_Russia:  @Kari – I think you just need to make a leap of faith. Knowledge is with you.
Mike_LF_CAL:  @Marie, I agree, better us then him…
Heidi_Germany:  I say thanks to all and will go over to the form sheet now! NNC
Maria_Boulder:  @ Kari- I don’t mean to trivialize the concern…I have had it as well…I grew up in a dictatorship…I have been well versed in fear…But really, my children are grown, now I am free to give my life to this – I will do my best to preserve my own life, and give all that I came to give…but I also accepted that to be called during the time of the Messenger’s life, is to take a stand for him- come what may…
Mike_LF_CAL:  I’m standing right next to you Raoul, we make a bigger shield standing together.
Raoul_Australia:  We do Mike! Glad to be in this with you

Shrimayi Netherlands:  Thank you all courages fellow students!
LaRaeUK:  I feel the same Mike LF and Raoul…..
Betty_UK:  Maria, that is so true ‘ to take a stand for him- come what may…’ If we don’t do this, who will? We are here for this too.
Ellen_Society:  @Mike and Raoul: If that shield stretches from California to Australia, it is HUGE!
Carol_Society:  Blessings, everyone. I never cease to be moved by power of your presence and your contributions here. May we go forward into the week ahead, riding on the wings of what has been given and what we know to do. Nasi Novare Coram.
Inhee_Korea:  Thank you Betty for your experience “Knowledge was their force.”
Ilhun_Korea:  Thank you Marshall, Patricia, Reed and the Society and All. Nasi Novare Coram.
Ellen_Society:  May this “ocean swell” carry us forcefully into the week ahead.
rayhobbs_Colorado:  Kari_H_Finland: I also feel that the anonymous response does not honor the New Message from God and the Messenger” ….. “The Wise remain hidden. The greater you are, the more concealed you must be. The greater your power and awareness, the more careful you must be where it is revealed and with whom it is shared and the more discerning you must be in choosing the beneficiaries of your gift. This tempers all ambition. This tempers all impatience. This tempers all self-assertions that are not born of Knowledge. Knowledge only knows what is real and will not respond to anything else. The stronger you are with Knowledge, the more you will be like Knowledge and the more difficult it will be for you to make a mistake. What are mistakes but mistakes in discernment—not knowing what something is, not knowing where you stand with it and not knowing how to relate to it? Choosing the wrong person, choosing the wrong time, choosing the wrong place, choosing the wrong moment, choosing the wrong…
rayhobbs_Colorado:  … idea—these are all problems in discernment. With discernment comes discretion—the ability to remain silent, the ability to remain concealed. We can assure you that in the Greater Community, the Wise do remain hidden or they are exploited or crucified. They are misused and abused, and their gifts are lost. Only on very rare occasions are greater demonstrations made to large numbers of individuals. And these demonstrations are often final. The Wise remain hidden—working secretly, protecting their gift, directing it towards those who are destined to receive it, and keeping it from everyone else who seeks power, privilege and other advantages. Therefore, when you find those individuals that you are destined to meet to carry out and to substantiate your purpose, there must be great humility. They are not here for you personally. They are not fascinated with you personally. They are not in love with your images. They are bonded to something greater in you, and their affection for you and…
rayhobbs_Colorado:  … their dedication to you will outlast all other human attractions. This is what people truly seek in their relationships. They seek to find their allies. However, what they generally find is what they are attracted to, for they are not yet developed enough to respond to and to receive greater attraction and incentive in human engagements. They are bound to the need for pleasure and to the fear of survival, and these become the criteria for their choosing. Yet, we are speaking of something very different here, something very unique and rare. Should you meet all of your allies, it is unlikely that their number will be greater than ten. It will more likely be three or four individuals. These individuals will play a very great role in initiating, supporting and speaking for the greater purpose that has brought you into this world— a purpose that can only emerge as you gain a greater maturity as a person and as you satisfy certain desires and requirements for yourself.”
Greater Community…
rayhobbs_Colorado:  … Spirituality: Chapter Twelve: Whom Will You Meet? http://www.newmessage….-meet
mellany UK:  Deep gratitude to you all..for being here, and for all that you are doing. Nasi Novare Coram.
Raoul_Australia:  …the Australian night is calling, I will sleep with the feeling of being part of the Worldwide Community of New Message students, this is true love in action, going on every day of our lives. Looking forward to our next meeting, Nasi Novare Coram
Alisa_Russia:  @Ellen – thank you for this, I am riding with you  Nasi Novare Coram. Thank you for this inspiring Chat.
Mike_LF_CAL:  Top of the WWC.
Betty_UK:  What I dynamic chat, one to revisit, Thank you all, Naisi Novare Coram
Alisa_Russia:  @Raoul – I am off to bed too, although it is much earlier here. Can’t wait to get up at 4 am and start a new day with my stillness practice 
Will_Society:  Thank you all. This has been very good.
Betty_UK:  Sorry ‘ What a dynamic chat, one to revisit, thank you all, Nasi Novare Coram
Ayesha_Society:  Thank you everyone for your participation, your advocacy and your support in every way. NNC
Jim B. Upstate NY:  Thank you to everyone!!! Nasi Novare Coram
Mike_LF_CAL:  We help protect the Messenger from within the mental environment, read my forum post on Protecting The Messenger!
Raoul_Australia:  @Alisa, wow! So early but sounds like a nice start!
Hyeonam_Korea:  I did my homework. HAHA
Hyeonam_Korea:  Thank you all. NNC
Kari_H_Finland:  Nasi Novare Coram
Ilhun_Korea:  @Hyeonam, me too. I filled out the form of ‘a New Religious Movement’ right now. It’s very hard in English…
Hardev Australia:  Thank you all. Nasi Novare Coram.

82731:  Well, just to clarify ‘anonymous’ in this occasion. The magazine has my contact info in case they want more info. But there is a time and place for being open that everyone has to discern for themselves, for each occasion. There is no rule. The Message needs to get out there, it is most important. Not my person. I certainly encourage everyone to follow what they feel is right.
Hazel_UK:  Thank You to everyone practicing and everyone at The Society. Have a good week all. Nasi Novare Coram
Darlene_Society:  Ilhun and Hyeonam, thank you for advocating for the Messenger even though it’s hard in English. I feel the WWC’s sincere words, even if not in perfect English, testify to the global truth of this Revelation and the sincerity of the followers. Bless you!
Samantha_SA:  Thank you everyone for this powerful and moving chat, just submitted my Atlantic magazine form… Hope I did the New Message justice with my words.
Josef Austria:  Survey sent!
Tonia_Denmark:  Thank you all. Thank you, Marshall. Gratitude felt towards this environment, a foot in each camp, here and there. A challenge. A Journey to make, a Journey to take. A maze, but a light once seen at the end, reminds me of that it is possible for even the smallest individual to make it all the way. Nasi Novare Coram. Blessings be with you all.
Virpi_Finland:  And 82731 was me…
Josef Austria:  Thank you all, friends from around the globe! Nasi Novare Coram!
Hyeonam_Korea:  Thank you all. Good day and Good night!
Ilhun_Korea:  Thank you Darlene… Bless you!

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One Response to "Campfire Chat August 12, 2017"

  1. Paul Davis Posted on August 12, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    Suffering: Thank you Summers Family for posting the experience. Suffering..made me think initially of The Buddha, …one of the Great Messengers to humanity from The Creator, God. Suffering: so many levels of meaning so appropriate for this time… Suffering:…we will need to endure the suffering that will come from the New World of great Earth changes….environmental, social, and economic impacts and changes…..Suffering: a beacon to track things within your personal sphere that you will need to change. Suffering: Changing one’s mindset to transform the negative Suffering into a positive tool, an indicator of things one needs to change….the Wisdom of Suffering is there if one steps back, goes into the well of Silence and examines one’s suffering…… as a side note regarding the Well of Silence… Paul Simon’s Sound of Silence takes on a new meaning for me…. … and today 8.12.64….my Birthday…. thank you for this gift of Suffering….Paul/MA…-2017.

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